Is Trump derangement syndrome so bad that people just don't get what an own goal impeachment would be? Best case scenario: blue house members could show what shade of blue they are. This is D.O.A. in the Senate no matter what. Do progressives not see how Trump, who will survive impeachment easily, will make this about the "elites who don't respect the choice of the 'regular voter'"? Trump only needs to win in a handful of purple states to take the whole thing. A failed impeachment will only legitimize him. I can't believe his most passionate opponents are going to actually help him get a second term.
Her usual wishy-washy mode of operation, as @ 6 already stated.
As far as she’s concerned Seattle liberals will vote for her no matter what. Her chronic need for “time to study the issues” was somewhat understandable some 15 years ago, yet maintaining the pattern looks pathetic nowadays and I doubt it wins her any conservatives votes.
(If they do vote for her it’s probably because the state GOP have come up with way more pathetic candidates, which they are fully aware of.)
She did however vote for the Iraq invasion some 17 years ago. One of her office aides at the time was the locally grown young Ari Melber.
He was quite diplomatic when asked about her position back then, though I couldn’t tell if he’s trying to distance himself from it or not.
There's just no "there", there.
Donald Trump is a con man, thief, liar, tax cheat, horrible person and a complete failure as President. But the FBI spent two years investigating "Russiagate" and couldn't find a smoking gun. He surrounded himself with a good number of bad actors, but that doesn't mean impeachment. Obstruction is a thing that excites the FBI and many attorneys, but it doesn't play on Main Street because it's so loose and over used. And as there's no underlying crime.... well... good luck with that.
Oh, and impeach him and half the Republicans in the universe will vie for the nomination. They'll probably go more moderate this time and run against Biden or one of the loons and lose that too.
"Obstruction is a thing that excites the FBI and many attorneys, but it doesn't play on Main Street because it's so loose and over used."
'Over-used'? Who over-usses it?
It's also what brought Richard "Dick" Nixon down.
He thought it was vastly overly used, too.
"And as there's no underlying crime.... well... good luck with that."
So, it's okay to use campaign funds ($190K)! to purchase a porn star's silence, two weeks before the Election? Sorry, that's a Fail. Just because this "president" does it, that doesn't mean it's fucking Legal. As he -- and apparently you -- will soon find out.
Impeachment is something the House does, not the Senate. Why should Cantwell or Murray say whether they support it or not? The Senators are going to have to preside over a trial if the House impeaches. If anything, I think the smart statement would be "it's up to the House to decide whether impeachment is warranted. If they should do that, we'll conduct a fair proceeding in the Senate to determine whether a conviction is warranted."
1 & 5. If your concern is winning back the presidency in '20, as is mine ( as well as the Senate ), then moving toward an uncertain impeachment is our best chance to do both. Trump's naked race campaigning this last week proves that his team has decided it's a base turnout scorched earth strategy or nothing. What better way to deflate our turnout than to demonstrate the hollowness the Democratic party stands for by whining and hand wringing from the sidelines?
@9....said Trump apologist, Miss Pearl-Clutcher. Down, muffy, down. Your total lack of sanity is glaringly showing.
@17 Doofus in Shoreline: As usual, the only dolts in the comment thread are you and muffy.
@23 kristofarian: Let us hope so! Heaven help us, I sure hope so and that the nightmare of the Err of Trump is over soon, and Trumpty Dumpty and its Kabinet of KKKrooks serves life imprisonment.
From today's New York Times: "An Impeachment Inquiry
Is Coming. It Might Have Already Begun.
Robert Mueller’s testimony may have lacked thrills, but it marked a turning point in the case against the president."
--by Michelle Goldberg
"Perhaps even more significant than the growing number of calls for impeachment is a lawsuit filed by the Judiciary Committee on Friday. The filing, demanding access to grand jury material from the Mueller investigation, says that the committee 'is conducting an investigation to determine whether to recommend articles of impeachment.'
In other words, the Judiciary Committee, which would oversee any potential impeachment, announced, with surprisingly little fanfare, that an impeachment inquiry is already underway."
Far right pundits followed trumpfy (oops!) off the 'Mueller's got NUTHIN!" gravy train straight into the Abyss. It was unKind of them to get the Hopes of the trumpfysters up, and quite rude if I may say so.
@26 -- They're currently under the far, far right thumb of one McMitch KkKonnell (the Moscow Mule), and all's they do the live-long day is . . . well, I'm not sure. Great query.
So? What's your point? Impeachment is a loser. Beat trump in the election a year from now. Focus your energy on that.
I've heard that Maria is been feeling under the weather lately. It might be a while before you hear back.
I don't see an impeachment path. I do see avenues for dismantling the gerrymander which underlies many (including this presidency) political ills.
Is Trump derangement syndrome so bad that people just don't get what an own goal impeachment would be? Best case scenario: blue house members could show what shade of blue they are. This is D.O.A. in the Senate no matter what. Do progressives not see how Trump, who will survive impeachment easily, will make this about the "elites who don't respect the choice of the 'regular voter'"? Trump only needs to win in a handful of purple states to take the whole thing. A failed impeachment will only legitimize him. I can't believe his most passionate opponents are going to actually help him get a second term.
Cantwell is never on the leading edge of anything, but always joins up in the end.
Technically, it's an Impeachment Investigation.
Followed by Indictments (the DOJ memo is just that, a memo, with no standing in Law and nowhere to be found in the Constitution).
Then by Impeachments.
Plural.
Draw it out. Nice and sloooooowwwww.
Her usual wishy-washy mode of operation, as @ 6 already stated.
As far as she’s concerned Seattle liberals will vote for her no matter what. Her chronic need for “time to study the issues” was somewhat understandable some 15 years ago, yet maintaining the pattern looks pathetic nowadays and I doubt it wins her any conservatives votes.
(If they do vote for her it’s probably because the state GOP have come up with way more pathetic candidates, which they are fully aware of.)
She did however vote for the Iraq invasion some 17 years ago. One of her office aides at the time was the locally grown young Ari Melber.
He was quite diplomatic when asked about her position back then, though I couldn’t tell if he’s trying to distance himself from it or not.
@ 9
What’s so sane about doing nothing while your house is taken over by thugs? Elected officials are there to lead, not the other way around.
There's just no "there", there.
Donald Trump is a con man, thief, liar, tax cheat, horrible person and a complete failure as President. But the FBI spent two years investigating "Russiagate" and couldn't find a smoking gun. He surrounded himself with a good number of bad actors, but that doesn't mean impeachment. Obstruction is a thing that excites the FBI and many attorneys, but it doesn't play on Main Street because it's so loose and over used. And as there's no underlying crime.... well... good luck with that.
Oh, and impeach him and half the Republicans in the universe will vie for the nomination. They'll probably go more moderate this time and run against Biden or one of the loons and lose that too.
12
"Obstruction is a thing that excites the FBI and many attorneys, but it doesn't play on Main Street because it's so loose and over used."
'Over-used'? Who over-usses it?
It's also what brought Richard "Dick" Nixon down.
He thought it was vastly overly used, too.
"And as there's no underlying crime.... well... good luck with that."
So, it's okay to use campaign funds ($190K)! to purchase a porn star's silence, two weeks before the Election? Sorry, that's a Fail. Just because this "president" does it, that doesn't mean it's fucking Legal. As he -- and apparently you -- will soon find out.
Classic Rich Smith.
browne @ 12
Then why was trump so terrified of the investigations and what are all those report redactions about?
@ 13
Who’s losing what?
Shoreline friend
Rest assured, while you may be questioning Cantwell’s doltness no one here ever doubted yours.
"We have to vote him out" they said of the man who didn't get the most votes last time.
Impeachment is something the House does, not the Senate. Why should Cantwell or Murray say whether they support it or not? The Senators are going to have to preside over a trial if the House impeaches. If anything, I think the smart statement would be "it's up to the House to decide whether impeachment is warranted. If they should do that, we'll conduct a fair proceeding in the Senate to determine whether a conviction is warranted."
1 & 5. If your concern is winning back the presidency in '20, as is mine ( as well as the Senate ), then moving toward an uncertain impeachment is our best chance to do both. Trump's naked race campaigning this last week proves that his team has decided it's a base turnout scorched earth strategy or nothing. What better way to deflate our turnout than to demonstrate the hollowness the Democratic party stands for by whining and hand wringing from the sidelines?
Ya don't gotta Impeach.
Ya gotta Investigate.
trumpfy's lackeys refused to testify.
Under House Rules, they'll testify or
they'll lose their Freedom.
Like Kevin Spacey in a House of Cards
trumpfy's gonna come down Hard.
Good and Hard.
Good.
@9....said Trump apologist, Miss Pearl-Clutcher. Down, muffy, down. Your total lack of sanity is glaringly showing.
@17 Doofus in Shoreline: As usual, the only dolts in the comment thread are you and muffy.
@23 kristofarian: Let us hope so! Heaven help us, I sure hope so and that the nightmare of the Err of Trump is over soon, and Trumpty Dumpty and its Kabinet of KKKrooks serves life imprisonment.
You got it, Auntie Gee.
From today's New York Times: "An Impeachment Inquiry
Is Coming. It Might Have Already Begun.
Robert Mueller’s testimony may have lacked thrills, but it marked a turning point in the case against the president."
--by Michelle Goldberg
"Perhaps even more significant than the growing number of calls for impeachment is a lawsuit filed by the Judiciary Committee on Friday. The filing, demanding access to grand jury material from the Mueller investigation, says that the committee 'is conducting an investigation to determine whether to recommend articles of impeachment.'
In other words, the Judiciary Committee, which would oversee any potential impeachment, announced, with surprisingly little fanfare, that an impeachment inquiry is already underway."
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/29/opinion/trump-impeachment.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
Far right pundits followed trumpfy (oops!) off the 'Mueller's got NUTHIN!" gravy train straight into the Abyss. It was unKind of them to get the Hopes of the trumpfysters up, and quite rude if I may say so.
@26 -- They're currently under the far, far right thumb of one McMitch KkKonnell (the Moscow Mule), and all's they do the live-long day is . . . well, I'm not sure. Great query.