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1

Seems odd that The Stranger would find a slip of confusing one fly-over city with another in a red state as noteworthy.

2

Cant wait for all the gun pedants to log on and decide who gets to comment based on their knowledge of "clips" and "magazines".

3

I appreciate the statement the Philadelphia Union's Alejandro Bedoya made after scoring a goal yesterday: "Hey Congress, do something now. End gun violence. Let's go!"

From "Bedoya calls out Congress on shootings after goal:"
https://www.espn.com/soccer/philadelphia-union/story/3912701/bedoya-calls-out-congress-on-shootings-after-goal

Some really bleak news on the New York Times home page:
* mass shootings
* then Hong Kong protests and China devaluing its currency
* then craziness in Kashmir

Welcome to the 21st century.

4

In addition to the heroes in El Paso and Dayton, the heroes of the world right now are the protesters in Hong Kong. They remind me of the colonists in 1776. I just wonder if "the free world" is going to have their back.

5

@1: The slip is noteworthy because Trump doesn't give a shit about these cities.

8

Hey where did Biden say the shootings happened? Just curious.

Also ...ā€œcondemn racism, bigotry and white supremacyā€ .. uh oh.. what do you think, do you agree?

10

@5: Yeah, ...as if anyone needs additional reasons to be outraged.

11

@8: That's like him condemning high fat content, sodium, and calories in is Big Mac meal.

12

The Onion finally got to publish their boilerplate "No way to prevent this" article on mass shootings twice in one day!

El Paso:
https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1836949580

Dayton:
https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1836949715

Is America great again yet?

13

"It's terrifying but it's important that we talk about it" on the climate feedback due to massive wildfires in Siberia:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g18NPYZccjk

15

In El Paso, Texas, the most gun-humping place on planet earth, there was not one single armed hero citizen able to shoot just one pathetic gunman while he rampaged?
Makes you think we need more guns!

18

Looks like Mitch forgot to pull his arms & legs into his turtle shell on the way down. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

19

@10,

I don't think anyone is outraged over the error. Just perpetually embarrassed at having a bumbling, imbecilic nimrod who's unable to issue a simple declaration of sympathetic condolences by way of his official communication channel as the leader of our great nation.

20

@2:

Apparently it only takes about five comments before they start in...

21

@4 - no doubt. My guess is that Trump won't do a damn thing to help them. We predicted that Beijing would crack down after the handover. Just didn't think it would take this long.

22

Breaking News! DAYTON SHOOTER WAS A FAR LEFTIST AND AN ANTIFA SUPPORTER/MEMBER! WHAT A SHOCK! Antifa violence have long tlbeen escalating.
But lately with the Tacoma terrorist incident and this.... Hopefully, they update the article (they won't; doesn't fit their narrative).

23

@13: Thanks. We're a little rattled by other issues of the day, but I put it on tomorrow's worry list.

24

If these crazy young men can't get guns they might resort to starting wildfires.

25

@15 The good guys with guns totally blew it here. Not sure why we keep counting on these guys to keep us safe seems sub-optimal. We should probably look into some other way to prevent these mass shootings from happening.

@22 Fake news. Check, and mate.

26

@22 - Narratives are one of those things that are often discussed regardless if they actually exist.

27

@22 given Katie Herzog's penchant for running interferance for the right (alt and otherwise), I wouldn't be surprised if she somehow does put this on the left and/or antifa.

30

@28

Wrong again.

Do you even read the articles that you link to?

No one said the United States has the highest rate of mass shootings per capita, they said the United States has the highest rate of mass shootings of any country in the world.
We can have lower numbers of mass shootings per capita and still have the highest number of mass shootings in the world.

Do you even know what per capita means?

31

@28: Hearing such stats won't stop the tears from flowing down the faces of the grieving, or maybe you think it should?

32

I am glad the kittens are okay.

36

Twits ā€˜n prayers ā€˜n gun lobby ca$h time comes sooner and sooner every day.

37

@34

Let's start by comparing Apples to Apples.

Population of Norway
5,446,780

Population of the United States
327,200,000

Norway has a smaller population than the average US state.

38

@34: Speaking of data, there was plenty of data to support bi-partisan legislation to prevent sales of high magazine clips supported by gun owners that is now stalled by Mitch McConnell. That's the correct way to use data rather than dogged clinging to presuppositions.

39

"Americans make up about 4.4 percent of the global population but own 42 percent of the worldā€™s guns. From 1966 to 2012, 31 percent of the gunmen in mass shootings worldwide were American, according to a 2015 study by Adam Lankford, a professor at the University of Alabama.
Adjusted for population, only Yemen has a higher rate of mass shootings among countries with more than 10 million people ā€” a distinction Mr. Lankford urged to avoid outliers. Yemen has the worldā€™s second-highest rate of gun ownership after the United States."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/world/americas/mass-shootings-us-international.html

"Worldwide, Mr. Lankford found, a countryā€™s rate of gun ownership correlated with the odds it would experience a mass shooting. This relationship held even when he excluded the United States, indicating that it could not be explained by some other factor particular to his home country. And it held when he controlled for homicide rates, suggesting that mass shootings were better explained by a societyā€™s access to guns than by its baseline level of violence."

40

Neil deGrasse Tyson isn't director of the Hayden Panettierium for nothing, you know.

42

@28:

So, your source is an article from a right-leaning site with demonstrated bias, citing a "study" (to be generous in the extreme) concocted by an extreme far-right site with an even higher degree of demonstrated bias, and which deliberately skews and manipulates data (as @30 notes) to "prove" an assertion that could not be otherwise supported with - oh, you know, actual facts and objective statistical analysis - and which, along with its author (who's academic "credentials", such as they are, are so tenuous he has in the past had to resort to creating sock puppets to praise his own work when no one else with any legitimate credentials or academic standing would), has been thoroughly and repeatedly debunked and discredited.

And with that, I guess we could say you've made your point - although perhaps not the one you intended...

43

In response to Neil deGrasse Tyson:

"On average, across any 48hrs..."

200 people are killed by firearms in the United States.

44

"In actuality, among the US, Canada, and Europe, we have the 11th highest frequency of mass shootings"

"Europe" isn't a single nation, dumbshit. You literally have to add ALL of Europe into one aggregate to make that stupid comment work.

And it's still stupid. Because it's the RATE of gun violence ā€” as in per 100,000 residents. And the US RATE of gun violence here as opposed to western Europe is obscenely high. The RATE of mass shootings is higher in the US than ALL of western Europe. The body count per shooting is higher as well. Christ almighty, Mr. "Facts" you can look this shit up in two minutes.

Fuck you and all your disingenuous cherry picking and lying, you pile of shit.

(And it's not just guns. Our homicide rate is, on average, five times the homicide rates in western "Europe." So that rules out the "buh..buh... they'll just use KNIVES! MASS STABBINGS!" canard you're about pose next.)

45

Yes Biden got it wrong too. They are both terrible and don't give a fuck about any of us.

ZAPOTEC, Time for my regular reminder that Texas was among the LAST states in the US to go with open carry, well after Washington, and the two states have (until very recent years) had basically the same gun laws. El Paso is a blue city, safely Democrat, with a majority Hispanic population and their local political scene tends to be more radical than that of Seattle, namely because they have very few smug wealthy liberals patting themselves on the back all the time for their good fortune of being born in a state that has one big city that dominates an otherwise small Republican rural population. It's also a city that is pretty low crime. This mass shooting killed more people in a day than had been shot in the previous 12 months. So stop it with the absolutely bullshit stereotypes- they just reveal your ignorance.

46

Oh. Christ Tyson. He just needs to shut the puck up. What a dumb comment.

From Tysons dumb comment:
"On average, across any 48hrs, we also loseā€¦"

"500 to Medical errors"
= litigable ā€” doctors and hospitals can be sues, systems in place to prevent. Can you imagine how many "error" there would be without oversight? And again are doctor doing this deliberately? There are ongoing efforts to limit medical errors.

"300 to the Flu"
= Do people deliberately hurl the flu virus at people? Will a virus obey government regulations, Neil? There are ongoing efforts to limit the effects of the Flu.

"250 to Suicide"
= Uh, how many by GUNS, Neil? Oops.

"200 to Car Accidents"
="Accidents" the word is right there in it, Neil. And we have licensing, regulations. litigation, mandated seat belts, mandated airbags, and hundred other reasons this is a dumb thing to say. So again, there are ongoing efforts to limit car accident fatalities.

"40 to Homicide via Handgun" = Most of which are needless, senseless deaths, which could be fucking prevented like the rest of the world has managed to do. And we are doing fuck all about it but kowtow to a for profit gun lobby.

47

Sleeping Giants reports that 8Chan was kicked from Cloudflare, moved to Bitmitigate, owned by Epik.com, also providing services to Gab and The Daily Stormer.

Owner Rob Monster uploaded the Christchurch shooting video to Gab.

Voxility has now cut off Epik.com and Bitmitigate, which means both 8chan and Stormer are now offline.

Where next alt-right? We will find and shame the ISP providers who accept your $$$ until you have zero internet presence.

49

@48 Yes, if there is anything the parents of children who have just been massacred by a gun nut care about is some dipshit pendant tweeting statistical "context" a few hours after the murders.

50

I blame Tacoma.

or maybe those Proud Babies from Oregon.

51

Some regular freedom fighters stayed away today, and even Phoebe finds holes in factsie's facts.

52

by the way, a clip literally is a clip. It's a metal piece that binds 5 rounds (or shells) and can be manually fed into the breach. You can see it in any of those manually fed bolt action rifles.

The magazine is the spring (usually) fed action of a casing filled with rounds. The size can be from 3 to 30 rounds, or in the case of a drum, up to 100 rounds.

If you have more than a clip, you should be arrested on sight.

(personal opinion)

53

@51 they have to wait and for their "Libtard pOWNAGE" talking points to bubble up from the cesspools of 8chan to the cesspools of a variety of subreddits to then up to the cesspool of Fox News before they can activate.

54

It should be noted that Norway had one mass shooting over those years that happened to have an extremely high body count. That skewed the data due to the one incident being an extreme outlier. Meanwhile, the US had no years without mass murder.

Worthless POS.

55

@53 wrote:

" they have to wait and for their "Libtard pOWNAGE" talking points to bubble up from the cesspools of 8chan..."

Well, that would explain a few things. With any luck 8chan will stay offline permanently and our contingent of keyboard commandos will be forced to spend the next few days wallowing around for some alternative source for their effluvia.

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@54 I now. It's almost like there is a deliberate attempt to obscure reality by a fraction of vocal and delusional gun fetishists. It's like if you cherry pick the year of the Las Vegas shooting or 9/11 and extrapolate "per capita" data from that.

But the issue is in America this shit keeps getting worse. Typical homicides are slowly trending down but spectacular gun nut homicidal flameouts are getting worse.

In 2015 the nation of France had 682 murders. In the whole country. Total. Including the Bataclan Theater and Paris terror attacks that killed 130 people. So. An average year it's even lower.

That put their homicide rate at 1.31 murders per 100,000. The US was a little over 5 murders per 100,000 in 2015. Don't even get started on comparing gun homicide rates.

Even on a worse year we deliberately cherry pick America has an absurd thirst for blood.

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@13 https://www.wired.com/story/the-bizarre-peaty-science-of-arctic-wildfires/


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