News Jan 30, 2024 at 11:52 am

Nothing, or Nothing Good, Experts Say

A wealthy hedge fund manager in Washington funded a ballot measure that could harm LGBTQ kids and clog public schools with paperwork, all in concert with the national conservative movement to remove evidence-based sexual education and actual American history from schools. Chip Somodevilla / GETTY

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1

Parents rights laws would force kids to use kitty litter bathrooms and skip lunches they really need to pray for White Jesus and his only son Hitler.

2

It’s virtual signaling for conservatives.

3

@1
such a
Travesty.

Very
Well done
ms. McCall!

4

That dress is a Magic Eye image of a bumbling clown.

5

They fuck you up, your mum and dad.
They may not mean to, but they do
They fill you with the faults they had
And add some extra, just for you.

But they were fucked up in their turn
By fools in old-style hats and coats,
Who half the time were soppy-stern
And half at one another’s throats.

Man hands on misery to man.
It deepens like a coastal shelf.
Get out as early as you can,
And don’t have any kids yourself.

Philip Larkin, 1971
Collected Poems

6

Who do these people think they are?
Why would anyone think a parent should make decisions about their children.
We really need to just trust the government. They only want what is best.
What a brave new world we live in.

7

@6 clearly you know nothing about the public school system (based on your fear mongering).

As someone who both attended public school in this state and has a child in public schools today, I’m amazed at how uninformed right wingers tend to be.

Example, if there was ever a topic that could be potentially sensitive (be it health, sex education, certain historical topics, etc.), my child’s teachers would reach out, mention the topics during curriculum night, sometimes require us to sign an acknowledgment - the only way anything would have come as a surprise is if I was just totally checked out as a parent.

I also have access to a web portal which shows me attendance, grades, classroom curriculum, etc. - I don’t need this shitty initiative to provide what’s already available.

And lastly, as a parent I’ve taken the opportunity to point out to my child when topics conflict with our family beliefs, values, etc.; however, as this is America, we don’t make a big deal of it (no letter to the principal, media, etc.) - it’s important to understand there are a myriad of beliefs in a diverse community (that’s a feature).

I look forward to voting no.

8

Good Lord I hope this bill passes!!

Kids need to be saved from adults with agendas, whether they be teachers, counselors, or therapists. At least the parents for the most part know what best for the child.

9

@8 like @6 you clearly have no idea what rights parents already possess without this garbage, virtue signaling initiative (try harder)

10

@9: Projecting "virtual signaling" is simply a sophomoric tactic to avoid the upsetting reality that other people have a difference of opinion.

11

@9 and so it reaffirms existing parents rights. Sounds like you should vote yes.

I know I will.

12

ASaxman5537 dear, I'd trust the government over a whole lot of the parents out there.

All those homeless? The ones the conservatives fixate on their poop and needles? They all had parents, and look at them.

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Parents who know what's best for their kids have at least some idea of what they don't know, and thus recognize the need for trained professionals' expertise. They're not the ones who will be empowered by this initiative to badger, bully and harass said professionals out of the education field -- which is clearly what it's intended to do.

14

Like all such bills from the Fascist right, it is designed to give conservative parents more control at the expense of their children's rights. Yes, the right of a student to hide their sexuality and gender identity from their parents ALWAYS trumps any rights the parents think they should have.

15

Another name for "State Sanctioned Child Abuse".

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@14: Your comment sounds like it was from yesteryear. It's not about gay kids coming out so much these days. Sometimes parents need to tell their kids they're fine just the way they are. You know exactly what I mean.

17

I'm a proudly gay old fucker that's been around long enough to smell the exact type of diseased, plague-ridden bovine anus this type of "protect our children" bullshit farce spews from. It's not a question of whether or not this "could be" aimed at the LGBTQIA+ community, it most definitely is written exactly for that purpose and the language hasn't changed much.

The only difference now being that our most precious commodity, educators, are the target of this sinister campaign because it's easier to force them into a position of compliance through fear of false accusation. It's the most vile, manipulative bullshit I've seen in years and everyone that truly believes in a just and equitable society should be fucking pissed!

I'm starting to see this kind of "let's create a more family-friendly neighborhood" coded bigotry creep its way into neighborhood forums around the Seattle area and it should alarm the fuck out of you if you're openly queer. Get ready to curb stomp this shit into oblivion, get angry, and fight it with everything you have.

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I'm a proudly gay old f##cker too - and you're not seeing the whole picture. Wake up!

19

I am voting for. The first reason is that the Stranger is against it. But that is lazy, so I actually looked up the bill. Here are key points from one source:

Initiative Measure 2081 is a citizens’
initiative that would establish a
parents’ bill of rights.
Parents would have the right to be
informed about educational and
medical information related to their
children.
Initiative 2081 would require the
public schools to provide the textbooks,
curriculum and supplemental material
used in their child’s classroom.
The measure would require public
schools to provide parents access to
all records related to their children,
including information that schools
currently hide from parents.
The measure would require public
schools to inform parents when
medical services are being offered to
their child, except where emergency
medical treatment is required.
Initiative 2081 would require public
school officials to affirm that they will
not discriminate against children
based on the religious beliefs of the
child’s family.
Initiative 2081 would require public
schools to allow children to opt out of
surveys and activities related to sexual
behavior, family’s beliefs, religion, or
political affiliation.
The measure would require public
schools to inform parents about the
school calendar, school dress code, and
their child’s academic performance.

Now as I read it, this bill requires that the school be transparent about a number of things. It basically says that secrets about one's kids performance, curriculum, different names/pronouns, who is teaching and the like won't be kept. This seems quite reasonable. I am sorry if it creates additional burdens and responsibilities, but districts seem to be comfortable and accustomed to all sorts of policies and procedures, many of which can be avoided if a school and teacher sticks to standard pedagogy.

Perhaps those against are in part in favor of the mission creep of education. A school should be a place to learn many things from various views, but not to preach, or indoctrinate. It ought not be a therapeutic environment with expectation that it is a place for kids to undergo therapeutic interventions of any sort, without the engagement of parents from the start if it is to be considered.

If a teacher or staff believes a child is endangered due to abuse or neglect, CPS is and has been a resource. Make a report and otherwise stay in your lane - stick to teaching. Do not be a secret keeper. Don't use different pronouns or names for a kid or allow them to express or claim a different gender without informing parents. Common decency and common sense belongs here.

This bill did not come out of a vacuum. Rather stories abound of teachers having clear radical views (I refuse to compliment them with the "progressive" or "liberal" adjectives), that they take joy in conveying.

The SPS employs Ian Golash as a high school teacher at Chief Sealth who allegedly failed a student on a multiple-choice quiz for saying only women can get pregnant and that only men have penises. He is one of many with agendas and beliefs that if held and expressed in the classroom, ought not be kept from parents.

I'd want my long launched kids and now grandkids to have sex ed. Just present the facts please. This is how the body is built. This is adolescence. This is pregnancy and how to avoid it, this is consent and lack of etc. Acknowledging LGB preference realities but stay clear of Trans issues that many parents and people in general are far from agreeing or accepting of and which is receiving at long-last critical review by mainstream sources (see the NY Times by Pamela Paul this past week).

The so-called Progressives, their electeds and agendas have wreaked havoc on our city and state. It will take years to pick up the pieces. Stolen unlicensed cars run amok and unstopped. Cops have been admonished to not give chase. Graffiti, trash and stolen stuff abound. Entitlement to do bad stuff and not be held to account is endorsed as a foil and response to "white supremacy" it seems.

This initiative along with other initiatives follow in response to the extremes of the past decade. The people of Washington get to decide.

If I had my druthers, initiative petition gatherers would be only volunteers. But that ship has sailed and the majority of petitions I have seen in the past decade have been from the left, often labor supported and circulated by paid gatherers. It is ironic that these same parties now decry the big money being paid by individuals on the other side, using the same tactics and methods to achieve different goals.

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@19 thank for fully and completely letting mask slip. You do not believe teenagers have any right to privacy at all. No doctor-patient confidentially whatsoever. Kids are property until they turn 18.
Well sorry, HIPPA starts at 13 here, and the same should be true in schools. You’ve made it very obvious why.

21

Save the adult decisions for the future adults.


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