News Nov 9, 2011 at 4:00 am

Despite $300,000 in Support and 16 Months to Find a Space, Gay Youth Center Still Hasn't Opened Its Doors

Spaced out. Kelly O

Comments

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Let's see...wheelchair accessibility, neighbors tolerant of late-­night activity, a location within one mile of Cal Anderson Park, suitability as a concert venue AND not close to a bar?!

Hey kids: there's a cool web tool, very old-fashioned, called Google maps, and if you search for "bars" within a mile radius of the park, you'll find the only suitable places are in or near residential neighborhoods. Get real. Your primary criteria should be accessibility (wheelchair accessibility, transit friendly) and function (a place that can accommodate the uses you intend).

If you can't get the job done, let's put that money to use on some other worthy GLBT organization.
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It is critical that queer youth have safe community spaces in Seattle, but I'm sure the Stranger already knows that. So the question is: what's the best way to accomplish that goal? Certainly it's NOT to be snarky about a hardworking bunch who, by the way, have lives as students and professionals to keep up with outside working to open this space. And if the group's requirements seem impossible -- they're willing to comprimise! All they want is to do this RIGHT and sustainably, so their grant money goesn't go to waste in a year or two. If the Stranger doesn't believe that QYS is on track, perhaps they could help mobilize the community to get them there, rather than offering nothing but criticism.
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Not spending money without first having a plan in place seems pretty reasonable to me. The city would rather hold onto its money for a little longer than have it wasted, wouldn't it?

I think what you really have to keep in mind is that as Queer Youth Space is organized by people under 21 - they have other very large and important time commitments - such as school. Also, some of the original leaders have left Seattle for college or are busy with college and jobs in the city. While they are all very committed to the cause, this is not their job and they are inexperienced in the realm of negotiating with landlords and signing contracts. I respect their choice to take the time to do it right.

Also, in response to IslandGuy's comment, I think that situating a night venue for youth fairly far away from bars is a good idea. Safety is a key factor for creating a safe space for underage people.

The Stranger has been consistently negative about this amazing youth-led project. All in all, I think that everyone needs to give these kids a break.
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Ya'll old folks cant have it both ways. Either we're lazy and apathetic and arnt worth a dang, or, when we organize hard and a youth run campaign wins a city grant, you rag on us for not being all grown up and spending the money fast enough. Sorry my aged friends, us youth dont have much real estate experience--but we're working on it. And, we are students. And we have jobs.

AND we want Seattle Queer Youth Space to work. We want it to be around for a long time. We know what we need--the vision was forged by hundreds of us around the city. We are working hard to find the right place for it. Get off our backs.

But really its ok because we know you need your stories. And so we know that you'll either write this one, complaining that we're being deliberate and that annoys you, or you'll write another one about what a rushed, hasty, rash, typically-youthfully-dumb decision we made. But--be real--you'll probably write both. And they'll both be wrong.

SO have fun w/ your story writing. We'll keep working.

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If I'm not mistaken, one of the main goals is to give youth a place to go, (i.e. instead of the bars that they would rather not be so near to). like for a concert that would probably happen late at night. I'd imagine they'd rather not be shut down by the cops for complaints from the neighbors.

Proximity to Cal Anderson makes sense too- it's where most people are. If the space is out of the way, it won't serve the intended function as well.

Of course these make it difficult to find a space. Would it be better if they found one that didn't comply with accessibility requirements? no. Would it be better if they found one that encouraged kids to go hang out in bars rather than gave them another option? no. Would it be better if they royally ticked off their neighbors and possibly got evicted? no. Would it be better if they found a space but couldn't hold any events there? no.

Come on, Stranger. You guys can do better than this.
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Queer Youth Space fucking rules! They may not have an actual "location" yet, but they have used some of their funding to give jobs to young queer people organizing for them!
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Let's continue to support QYS! I personally know a few of those involved and have been amazed at the amount of time and energy they are able to put into this project.
8
It seems more responsible to me to do what they are doing, make sure that you are spending the money wisely and in a way that can be sustained. What is even the point of this article, it is overly critical of these young folks and totally unnecessary.
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The city is fine with the length of time to find the right queer youth space, but not the Stranger. Its too long a search, its not a good website, the criteria is too picky. Way to help! But wait kids, IT GETS BETTER. I sure hope so.
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The city doesn't have a problem waiting for queer youth to find the best location, but its a problem for the Stranger. The search is taking too long, the criteria is too specific, the website isn't up to snuff. But wait kids...IT GETS BETTER! Someday people who purport to have an interest in helping gay youth will actually do it.
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Is there any mentoring or guidance being offered by the Greater Seattle Business Association, or other gay business owners, developers, and entrepreneurs? If not, why not?
12
wow you're right Dom what a bunch of stupid fuckups
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It would be great if a QYS volunteer (if anyone has time) could write specifics of what the organization has already tried in order to find a location. Then we could crowdsource other options to help them out. I'm glad their wishlist is flexible, since finding a space close to Cal Anderson *and* away from a bar seems unlikely. I would suggest looking in neighborhoods other than Capitol Hill, too, perhaps Uptown to collaborate with the Vera Project.

But a concern I have is the defensive attitude expressed in some of these comments. They come across as, well, childish. Running a successful, volunteer-oriented, nonprofit organization takes incredible time and resources, a full-time job even for adults who are trained to do so. There may be some stereotype threat going on here: the youths involved know that people expect them to fuck up, so they worry about committing to anything and end up doing nothing ... and then they end up looking like fuck-ups.
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i'd like to hear why Lambert House is not queer youth space. come on, people, i want a thorough and complete justification of why it doesn't fit your needs, queer youth.
15
Isn't the best Queer Youth Space in some Old Queer's Mouth?
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I'mma gonna put myself out on a limb here and say that this article reads a little more like a kick in the pants that a worthy if terminally nascent organization needs. In other words, this is kid's gloves criticism and people need to chill out. Filing this under: Uncle Dom indirect guidance article.
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"Uncle Dom indirect guidance article."

Like what he gives to Queer Youth (fresh in from small town Iowa) in Cal Anderson park at 3am?

"Hey sonny, can you watch your retainer there?"
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"Uncle Dom indirect guidance article."

Like what he gives to Queer Youth (fresh in from small town Iowa) in Cal Anderson park at 3am?

"Hey sonny, can you watch your retainer there?"
19
It's about time someone created some space for Queer Youth. My attic is full.
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I think Dominic did a fine job with this article, and I agree that many of the commenters are too defensive. Queer youth grow up to be queer adults who - like most adults - are held to their actions and their words. If they can't find a way to make this incredibly generous grant work for them in a timely manner, they should give it back.
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Don't worry kids, the Stranger have always been haters. It's the Seattle way!
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What the overly defensive comments fail to acknowledge is that a lot of us didn't think this was a good use of funding to begin with. If I had ever been convinced that this project was worthwhile then I probably wouldn't mind that it's taking so long.
23
I'm kinda neutral to the whole idea of QYS. I'm not sure what they want that they can't get through Lambert House. But more power to 'em if they can make something work.

Dom: your article comes across a bit dickish. Sure, they're fumbling a bit. Of course they are. That's what young people do. Cut them some fucking slack. I'd rather they take too much time and do it right, than rush and fuck it up just to please your timeline.

QYS: Some of your criteria are mutually exclusive. Anything that is within a mile of CA park, wheelchair accessible, and can be used as a music venue is going to be close to a bar. Period.
24
Now offering courses in:
"how to thoughtlessly spend money without any real consideration"
and
"how to thoughtlessly write snarky articles without any real consideration"
25
We need more Queer Youth Pragmatists
26
Seattle Parks and Recreation recognizes the need for more LGBTQ-friendly teen activities and has begun running the Born This Way Kafé: a weekly social for Queer Youth of Color + All Queer Youth + Friends + Allies! Fridays from 5 - 9 p.m. at Cal Anderson Park shelterhouse (capacity 44). Ages 13 - 19. Free! Food! Open Mic!

More information at Facebook/SeattleParksCOD.

Sincerely,
Randy Wiger
Seattle Parks and Recreation

******* some upcoming theme nights *********

Nov. 4: no Kafe due to Veteran's Day Holiday
Nov. 18: movie night
Nov. 25: no Kafe due to Thanksgiving Holiday
Dec. 2: karaoke night
Dec. 9: spa night
Dec. 16: tinsel tizzy board game night
Dec. 23: movie night
Dec. 30: bingo night
27
it's been a few hours, kid. no complete justification why lambert house isn't good enough? anything? *crickets*

why am i not surprised?
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As a Seattle queer youth, I do not want my tax dollars supporting an organization that can't get its shit together - AFTER 16 MONTHS! They sound as dysfunctional as the US Congress with an approval rating of 8 percent. I wonder if the Stranger could randomly poll Seattle queer people and ask the current value of QYS.

Could you imagine how much change in the world is possible with $300,000?

It appears Queer Youth Space and the City of Seattle takes this opportunity for granted.

Apparently, taking photos for the Stranger is a higher priority than getting the job done.

$300,000 is a lot of money - taxpayer money.

I think it would be more effective to give THIRTY $10,000 grants.

Did the City of Seattle or investors set any benchmarks with incentives and punishments with Queer Youth Space?

Could you imagine any person justifying 16 months to implement an idea?

* Queer Youth Space could hire a real estate agent.

* Why does the location have to be on Capitol Hill?

* Does the City of Seattle or Queer Youth Space even care about what the public thinks about this lack of action?

Save the money for causes that need it now.
29
Give them a break. Equal Rights Washington has had at least 8 years to win marriage equality with a helluva lot more than $100,000 and they've not been able to develop a strategy beyond talking to my friends and neighbors who already support marriage equality.
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And Chicken Soup Brigade started with a whole lot less than 100k, and a whole lot quicker.

I understand the situations are different (a plague versus a boutique need) but sometimes the young'uns need some schooling.

They've got a great opportunity. An opportunity previous generations couldn't have dreamed of.

Being busy is not acceptable.
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@27: i'm not familiar with the lambert house, but why should queer youth have only one option in terms of physical spaces that are accessible to them?
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@29: First of all, ERW championed and won the Domestic Partnership law, as well as a host of other local and statewide protections for queer folks that didn't exist before, during the 8 years you reference. They're telling *you* to talk to your friends and family... but they do all sorts of other work that doesn't directly engage with community members (I know... some people don't get how advocacy works, and think it's the same thing as activism, but I don't have the patience to explain that to you). Secondly, I think it's something of an apples and oranges comparison to suggest that ERW's marriage equality work is in any way the same thing as being able to muster the wherewithal to find a space and sign a lease on Capitol Hill.
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I don't have any beef with QYS, but the City was completely negligent here. You don't give money to a bunch of activists to run something without some evidence they are competent to do so. They say "Hey, give us a break, we're college students and have a lot on our plate." That is a good reason but not a good excuse. Just throwing money out there to appease pressure groups got us the Seattle Public Schools fiasco and people are more than fed up with it.
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Sweet, queer youth.

The Gays are always angry, and hopefully those that embrace their queerness will render them obselete.

I'm queer, I'm here, and I support you.
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Wow, look, the same article (link below) not written by a hater with an agenda who wrote the exact same rant in December of 2010!! Dominic, what's your problem with Queer Youth Space? The reason this article has NO facts and NO statements directly from QYS youth leaders is because you were so negative and unsupportive last time you wrote this same article and they knew better than to talk to you.

PEOPLE- read the Seattle Gay News article that actually sat down with the youth with an open mind- not an agenda. They have 4 sites they are considering currently. They MUST put the space on Capitol Hill by the terms of the grant. They continue to meet weekly and their meetings are open. If haters like Dominic have a problem with the pace, SHOW UP at their meetings and offer your support.

Queer Youth Space continues its search for a home
by Shaun Knittel - SGN Associate Editor
http://www.sgn.org/sgnnews39_45/page3.cf…
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Wow, look, the same article (link below) not written by a hater with an agenda who wrote the exact same rant in December of 2010!! Dominic, what's your problem with Queer Youth Space? The reason this article has NO facts and NO statements directly from QYS youth leaders is because you were so negative and unsupportive last time you wrote this same article and they knew better than to talk to you.

PEOPLE- read the Seattle Gay News article that actually sat down with the youth with an open mind- not an agenda. They have 4 sites they are considering currently. They MUST put the space on Capitol Hill by the terms of the grant. They continue to meet weekly and their meetings are open. If haters like Dominic have a problem with the pace, SHOW UP at their meetings and offer your support.

Queer Youth Space continues its search for a home
by Shaun Knittel - SGN Associate Editor
http://www.sgn.org/sgnnews39_45/page3.cf…
37
Rich little brats messed it all up.
38
Sorry, but the QYS organizers are idiots.

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