News May 30, 2012 at 4:00 am

Can Seattle's Liberal Catholics Contain Their Out-of-Control Bishop's National Agenda?

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1
Good for them, not letting someone else dictate what their Imaginary Friend accepts or who He loves.
2
They have so much in common with me: They don't believe in almost all the same gods that I don't believe in.
3
The last straw - nuns doing the Eucharist without a male priest involved.

The money thing, well, why would conservative Catholics not give more to compensate? A few thousand Seattle dollars will shake the finances of the Vatican? Think not, but, nice gesture of principle.

Non, Cath. who simply loves all nuns.
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Not even that they are supporting gay marriage or abortion or anything, but that they are focusing on poverty and helping people while refraining from judging other people or dictating their morals. Its funny, I think they may have been a famous historical Christian figure that espoused something like that...?
5
I haven't given any money this year to the Archbishop's Annual Appeal either, but unfortunately, that will have little impact on the Archbishop. He will get the money anyway from the local parishes, as they "owe" it to the Archdiocese. It is the local parishes who will feel the pinch. This way, the Archbishop can continue to engage in political agendas against gay person, and indulge in the inquisitions of the nuns and girls scouts with total impunity.
6
Unfortunately, there is so much deeply wrong with the Catholic church that it is hard to know where to begin. Ceasing to fund any part of it was the least I could do.
7
Yes, of course the nuns have more "liberal" ideas. They have to face reality all the time, as they are the ones to minister to the unwanted children, the dying, ect. Right wing talking points crumble to the ground when you're faced with reality. I'm not Catholic, but I stand with the Sisters too. Just like in the Bible, when someone's doing something dumbassed, they usually are equipped with a penis.
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All this out-of-control spiraling bullshit propaganda because a big, dumb, corrupt-as-fuck misogynist pig is "getting nun"! If the Bishop wants to get to the actual root of all his evil, all he needs to do is look between his legs, if he can see past the fat.
9
"out of control"...who is in control, the parishoners or the Church. All the parishoners are more than welcome to start their own church.

This is such a fluff article considering it is published in this rag and situated in this area of the U.S. The comments are so typical of the erudite hipsters the rest of the country KNOWS lives in that area.

You guys stay up there, don't migrate out of your refuge.
10
wow I never knew that 9 came out of hole number 2
11
As a devout atheist (irony intended), I would offer the following advice. It will do neither you nor the church any good to simply withhold money from one Church cause while giving to another. The Catholic Church is a multi-national conglomerate and can move money better than JP Morgan/Chase.

You want to have an impact on the doctrine? Organize. Grass roots. Get someone in every parish to start working the crowd. Get a facebook page up and running and be committed to it for at least 2years. In that time, plan - pick one day - a major Sunday and coordinate a wwithholding of funds. Have people drop letters in the collection plate instead. If there is a wide enough impact, it will send a message and maybe, just maybe, the church will think about it. If you dare, sign your name to the letter, but don't be surprised if a few of you get excommunicated. My Mom was because she was a good Catholic.
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#9-dude, it's not like the rest of the Catholic population of the U.S. is down with Sartain persecuting the sisters-if ALL U.S. Catholics were like Sartain, Rick Santorum would be the Republican presidential nominee right now.

And you especially can't assume that U.S. Catholics are ok with Sartain hassling the sisters when you realize that he and Papenfuhrer Ratzi seem to be mad that those nuns were spending too much time helping the poor. Ratzi and Sartain would probably excommunicate Jesus.
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Is anybody making "I Stand With The Sisters" buttons?

I'd wear one and buy thirty to give to friends right about now.
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Sartin is not "going after the Sisters," he has been assigned to come up with a solution. Remember, Bishop Wuerl came here it "investigate" Bishop Hunthausen. His comments? "I find nothing wrong with this bishop." Sartin as bishop is required to "toe the party line" What he thinks in private and in ministry to individuals we do not know.

The Vatican is wrong in their pursuing the Sisters, it was instigated by people from the East coast.
Let us refrain from judging until we find out what Sartin has to say.
15
Here's the story that the media either misses or ignores: conservative parishes are in much better shape, in terms of finances and attendance, than are the liberal parishes.

Sartain knows that. He sees the weekly offerings.

Catholics want a return to the traditional church and are leaving the parishes that won't give them what they want. Sartain is giving the parishioners what they want.

The Stranger, understandably, refuses to believe this but that's par for the course.
16
You all realize the nuns are part of the problem, don't you? First, without their existence and cooperation the church couldn't function. Second, as in all families where there has been child abuse, the abuse couldn't have gone on without the mothers' (the nuns) knowledge and tacit approval (if not without their express approval). Finally, I married a woman who went to cahtolic grade school, and I know a lot of other peorple who went to catholic schools as well. They all tell terrible stories about the physical and emotional abuse imposed on them by the nuns. So I have no sympathy for any of the actors in this particular passion play.
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#13 - YES! "I STAND WITH THE SISTERS" buttons are available by request on the "I STAND WITH THE SISTERS" website:

http://istandwiththesisters.org/

"I STAND WITH THE SISTERS" also has a Facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/IStandWithTheSi…

From their Facebook page: "A grassroots movement galvanizing people of faith and justice to stand in solidarity with U.S. Sisters and in support of their lived gospel values." The buttons have been shipped from Seattle all across the country.
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The thing is that the Vatican doesn't give a flying f*ck whether people leave the Church. Benedict and John Paul before him are both theological purists who would like to drive out the "cafeteria Catholics" in order to have a purer Church. The Church has no desire to "reform" in any way, so it never will. If people boycotted all Catholic businesses (e.g. hospitals, schools, etc) that would have a bigger impact.
19
suk muk duc your highness
20
So you say you're Catholic but don't agree with Catholic doctrine. Isn't that like saying "I'm vegetarian, but I believe eating meat is okay, so change the definition of vegetarianism to accommodate me"?
21
As a recovering Catholic, I completely agree with #20.

I learned I wasn't a Catholic when I realized I didn't agree with them. I feel bad for the nuns, I loved my nuns in my school. But if they don't agree with the heads of their religion, then they should leave. The Catholic church is pretty f'ed up. You don't have to be a part of it...

Sadly, I would assume that the reality for the women is that there is no where else to go at this point. Average age is 74? Wow...
22
Sartain is just another Vatican and Timothy Dolan stooge. Catholics everywhere-not just in the USA-should reject anything emanating from these far right Vatican satraps who claim to speak for Catholics and who would, with Vatican encouragement, attempt to force their sharia-like laws on everyone.
23
Separation of Church & State is as real as Immaculate Conception.
24
Atheism is always ready to embrace you.

For you Catholics not ready to do away with your weekly social gathering, the Episcopal Church is pretty much the same thing, without as much child rape.
25
Peter Sartain is just another Vatican lackey with ambitions-maybe if he shouts enough about embracing Vatican antediluvian dogma he might get a red hat. Dolan of New York did exactly that and now he's a cardinal, too. John Paul II and now Benedict XVI have populated the RC episcopate worldwide with fawning hierarchs. Pity!
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I cut off the bishops years ago when they made their hard right politically. Told the Archbishop when he sent me his "appeal" that I didn't contribute to the Republicans so I sure as hell wasn't about to give him anything. Since then I have started giving the $$$ I gave my parish to Planned Parenthood. The Bishops are in the process of destroying the American Catholic Church.

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