Does the irony of the dichotomy of encouraging one 'class' of people to public drinking (and attendant drunkenness) while simultaneously discouraging same behavior from another 'class', escape you?
and get the trees back to their true color. so dumb ass holiday designers wonāt have such a hideous option go blue trees with alternating red and white lit trees..yuck! Honestly Westlake park/center is currently a huge mess of lights that donāt have much in common with each otherā¦I do like like happy rainbow land of the short trees up top, but that effect immediately bumps into the Weslake tree--abominable enough to create sloppy slurry design takes worthy of small americaā¦Only to be saved by those photo flashing lightsā¦its like some one with $100,000 went shopping in SKYMALL or worse in Chinaā¦Then ram it next to the aforesaid park with odd patriotic glare. Its a mess. the star over Macyās is the only effen nice think in the whole āparkā.
Iām saying we need to get āworld classā sorted with actually great endeavorsā¦christmas light is easy In comparisonā¦.
I do believe in a downtown playground. leave freeway park out. its beautiful and doesnāt need a macdonna make over---just love and respect.
we have had bars galore in this town ever since I was a kid. You didn't live here before it was cool so you have no idea what second and third and pine was like. You'd have to go to a shit hole like Chicago to truly appreciate what you have here, so why fuck it up with ANOTHER bar? How about a place where people can just fckking sit and read or write or draw, maybe even have a smoke and drink their coffee or even (gawd forbid) just to think or get away from their shitty office job in peace without having to deal with drink minimums, drunk assholes or cops flipping you shit just cos your not spending as much money as they think you should? enough of this stupid elitist bullshit..
No,We do NOT need a public restaurant/bar taking over the park! In fact,we have too many bars in this city! What about the yard house right accross the street,next to chase or gameworks or luidi's or Bruno's? Or many other bars and cocktail lounges in belltown? This is another asanine idea,you would also be in competition with "hot dog in the park" doing the same thing for years...you also forget that birds and rats inhabit the city and the last thing we need is food attracting them...if you want a public restaurant,I would suggest Denny park instead...
Great idea,,really,,those uppity shitheads inside westlake center shopping place or whatever it is need to be offset by something like that.....I'm biased against those homeless people sleeping there though,,,and hanging out there...I don't like it or them....throw em out
@7,
I can tell you as a former exterminator, the worst rat problem in the Seattle area is surprisingly on Mercer Island.
And adding one restaurant to anywhere won't change anything at all as far as rats are concerned.
Some folks here seem dead set against it. I don't know. I think its cool that the author is spit-balling ideas about how to activate that public space more. Anyone in the comments have a constructive suggestion?
Look, this is the way it works in almost every public square in Ye Olde Europe. But it's always tied to a storefront business - a place to keep the kegs and booze, have a bathroom, etc. If Bobachine wants to get a liquor license and set up tables and umbrellas, go for it. But floating out there without a brick-and-mortar base of operations? i doubt the Health Dept. would allow it.
Even a good coffee cart with some tables (like monorail espresso) or a pub in the place of See's candies with outdoor seating would be nice. And maybe a lane diet for 4th avenue: you're kind of stuck in between a hard building and a really loud, wide, thoroughfare.
This is a great idea but ONLY if there's regulation to ban national chains. Keep that shit in Westlake, Pacific Place, and the suburbs. The last thing we need is a a Panera Bread or TGI Friday's with a patio.
New allowances for permanent food trucks, too. The only ones who would be hurt would be Chipotle and Specialty's, and ignoring their concerns should be in the city charter.
I think it's a bad idea - it'll just give Arsenal or Manchester United hooligans another opportunity to ruin things with public displays of obnoxious inebriation, like they've done to every other outdoor platz on the continent.
It isn't a terrible idea. A lot of people hang out around the Starbucks across the way, but the circular planters aren't nearly as comfortable as a table section would be. I'd lean more towards a cafe and sandwiches type establishment, but whatever works.
The restaurants in Paris with sidewalk seating tended to have only one row of actual tables on the sidewalk with two chairs each facing out. The next row of tables were a step up in the restaurant, but opened glass doors allowed those diners to feel they were on the sidewalk as well. Even a few tables in you felt connected to the street. It doesn't actually require much sidewalk real estate for that style of restaurant.
I think it sounds great! Cafe-style, with sufficient busing and garbage disposal - and some light drinks like beer or wine also available on a simple menu. Don't forget that when people sit around in a cafe, it drives crime away. You could also make it a welcoming space for street musicians that cafe goers or others in the area can sit and listen to. Or have an occasional professional act in a small designated stage area - or more loosely set up. This is something not just for summertime either. Hot chocolate outdoors anyone? And ... you could have tables and chairs for people who are bringing their own picnicking and thermoses. The main issue I would see is sufficient trash removal. You need enough garbage cans for people to dispose of their own stuff, and you need the garbage cans emptied often enough so they're not grotesquely overflowing, and you need sufficient busing from tables that are using the cafe. If Seattlites and their visitors can handle throwing away or packing out their own trash, it'lb be very nice.
The worst are the hipsters who biked to the bar to sit under outdoor propane heaters to complain about SUVs and McMansions over their artisanal cocktails.
If there were any justice taggers would draw a little drowning polar bear on every one of those heaters.
I would love to have some sort of eating/drinking establishment in Westlake park. I've often wanted to have a drink or eat a good meal in the park. Especially at night with friends in the winter. Sure you dress warmly. But having those heaters around you would stay warm and enjoy the outdoors at night in Westlake park when the kiddies are at home and no longer on the Merry-go-round. As far as the homeless go. Your going to have them no matter what. And having more cops actually walking the beat around the park would help with crime and in general keeping the people that don't want to be around the eyes of the cops and general public looking at them.
Can we just get rid of those absurd preachy idiots? There are several varieties of them that hang out nearby. I don't go there because I don't want to be saved by Jesus.
That would make it a lot nicer of a place for the rest of us. But that probably violates some free speech thing, doesn't it? Maybe we can just give visitors free earplugs instead.
Does the irony of the dichotomy of encouraging one 'class' of people to public drinking (and attendant drunkenness) while simultaneously discouraging same behavior from another 'class', escape you?
I do believe in a downtown playground. leave freeway park out. its beautiful and doesnāt need a macdonna make over---just love and respect.
I can tell you as a former exterminator, the worst rat problem in the Seattle area is surprisingly on Mercer Island.
And adding one restaurant to anywhere won't change anything at all as far as rats are concerned.
And please, for 2014, stop beginning unrelated clauses with relative pronouns:
"Which is why we need a restaurant ..."
It does not help you sound "edgier" unless you're writing the copy for the the brochure of latest piece-of-shit Dodge truck.
Example:
"Which is why the new Dodge Ram is the most butch, most-bad-ass cockmobile."
Even a good coffee cart with some tables (like monorail espresso) or a pub in the place of See's candies with outdoor seating would be nice. And maybe a lane diet for 4th avenue: you're kind of stuck in between a hard building and a really loud, wide, thoroughfare.
New allowances for permanent food trucks, too. The only ones who would be hurt would be Chipotle and Specialty's, and ignoring their concerns should be in the city charter.
The restaurants in Paris with sidewalk seating tended to have only one row of actual tables on the sidewalk with two chairs each facing out. The next row of tables were a step up in the restaurant, but opened glass doors allowed those diners to feel they were on the sidewalk as well. Even a few tables in you felt connected to the street. It doesn't actually require much sidewalk real estate for that style of restaurant.
If there were any justice taggers would draw a little drowning polar bear on every one of those heaters.
That would make it a lot nicer of a place for the rest of us. But that probably violates some free speech thing, doesn't it? Maybe we can just give visitors free earplugs instead.