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His answer to everything is a committee and then he pats himself on the back when someone else comes up with an pseudo solution. Meanwhile back in reality town, the jerks in the council continue to fight over rideshares that people like, and for nimby causes people hate.
Why should a single mother struggle in seattle for a job that pays minimum wage? We are not animals.
If you are a business that can not adjust, your ripping off your employees. You dont deserve to be in business.
Why should a single mother struggle in seattle for a job that pays minimum wage? We are not animals.
If you are a business that can not adjust, your ripping off your employees. You dont deserve to be in business.
It looks like the transfers at Jackson Heights.
Of course you liked it, because you live in a lefty loon fantasy world. Inteadof working for a public entity, perhaps you should give the real world a shot and work in a competitive environment.....then see how your nutty economics works chump.
More progressive provisions would include an indexing formula that is better than simple CPI (such as one that tracks gains in overall productivity, or key local expenses such as rent), or a short-term adjustment to indexing that exceeds CPI until a wage equivalent to $15 in 2014 dollars is met.
And everyone should realize--this is not an end. Higher wages are one step in a locally-based progressive economic revival. Next up: paid vacation time? Money for local labor law enforcement? Extension of city benefits (sick leave, minimum wage, vacation time) countywide? Progressive funding of education (say, countywide property taxes instead of by valuations in each district?) Everyone should be thinking of real next steps, beyond just getting $15/hour passed.
Wouldn’t they be willing to hire a less experienced, less skilled person at $11/hr than they would expect to get at $15/hr and wouldn’t more people (with stronger skill sets) be willing to do work that used to pay $11/hr for $15/hr.
For example, that 36% could be the difference between employers being willing to hire menial labor with little or no English language skills and employers expecting to hire menial labor with native English language skills (and being able to do so because those jobs become more appealing at that pay grade).
Won’t more qualified people be looked for (and prove willing) to fill more valuable jobs?
Sounds like Seattle will only have room for $15 people with $15/hr skills, and $11 people with $11/hr skills are going to be frozen out of the market. That may not be a bad thing. One would expect it to translate to better service and higher productivity.
But I think it’s foolish to expect employers to be “good” with paying more and not getting more… I expect a reorganization of the bottom of the work force… No more $11/hr jobs for $11/hr people. $11/hr people are going to have to look to Spokane and Tacoma for jobs.
It reminds me of CNN's handling of anything John Kerry said back in 2004. He could be clear, concise, and elegant in response to a question, and the commentators would go, "Well. That was confusing."
That said, it's still mostly a victory for the $15 forces.
Isn’t part of the goal here to pay people enough to get them off of assistance and paying their own bills???
If the state has determined that a person earning $9/hr. today can’t afford daycare, but a person earning $15/hr. today can afford daycare, then congratulations Mom! You’re self-sufficient now!
That’s why they call it a “living wage” because you can live off of it… without welfare.
One would expect significant savings if all workers in Seattle are paid a living wage (and, therefore, no longer in need of public assistance).
Maybe we could earmark the local savings to save Metro bus service!
I'm not saying that's right or wrong. I suppose I'd probably do the same thing if I needed to. But it makes me think we won't see much reduction, if any, in what we the taxpayers are "subsidizing".
I think people will do what they need to do to get their public assistance checks. Maybe a few won't, but on the other hand a few others will have lost their jobs so all in all it will come out the same at best.
So we're increasing the minimum wage so that minimum wage earners can work fewer hours for the same pay check and stay on public assistance???
WTF?
I voted for Ms Sawant perhaps 60% because of the $15/hr thing, and 40% because Richard Conlin was a world class tool. As far as I am concerned, she has already won on $15/hr, and if she tries to brute force a more aggressive timetable, she will see enough of her support slip away, such that if/when she faces a more reasonable choice than Conlin, she will lose.
There are many more, also socialist, topics she can tackle, that will play well in Seattle, and she owes us, her "left-but-not-extreme" supporters, the evidence that she is not a one trick pony.
I support the mayors compromise, and hope Sawant doesn't make it impossible to get anything more done. If she does, she will have lost my support.
My $15 dollars an hour is keeping 3 people alive, we're making it work. Some may, some may not. Godspeed to those who are in need, and bless those who may never want for more than what they have.
Yes.
I have.
May I ask what wage will you be asking for / are being offered now that newly hired, unskilled cooks will be hired on at the wage it has taken you 10 years to achieve?
With that line, Anna, who has long ceased to be a reporter and is just a cheerleader, she loses any credibility that she had left as that line is just dishonest propaganda as no one without a bias or agenda believes that Sawant's not inexorably tied to $15 Now, and that they're not both in goosestep together.
What Anna has not spend a moment reporting on is the effect on Human-Services and Non-Profit Organizations. Not a moment. Do you wonder why? Ever thought to yourself why?
Why? Because there is no way for Anna or Dominic to write about this without having to deal with statements like this, relating to what'd happen if Sawant's plan came to fruition which would result in "A slow path to diminution of services".
And, that's the best news... There was a meeting that The Stranger did not report on as far as I'm aware or could find. It was the a meeting for the Committee on Minimum Wage & Income Inequality on the impacts of a Minimum Wage Increase on Human-Services and Non-Profit Organizations.
Here's a quote for you, they would have to “Reduce services or shut their doors completely.”. That's one of the rosy outlooks from a woman who runs one of Seattle's largest Human Services organizations.
But, don't believe me! Watch it yourself -
http://www.seattlechannel.org/videos/vid…
There's no good news here for the Stranger's cheerleaders and the Sawant cadre. No good news at all.
Maybe that's why Anna nor Dominic have not reported on this...?
So, y'all that call small businesspeople liars or ignorant about their own businesses can't call these Service Org leaders liars, just like it's tough to call Tom Douglas or Howard Shultz a liar.
This nice but bad plan towards $15/hr. is falling apart.
This is integrity-time-check. I don't anticipate Anna or Dominic having the integrity to admit that their incessant cheerleading was leading to a situation that would have harmed so many here in Seattle, but what about many of you folks, their cheerleaders? Will you start to consider that perhaps you have not been given the opportunity to understand the whole picture? That Anna & Dominic have been basically been dishonest with you by withholding information? Or...maybe they just don't care to learn about the issue and only report on their agenda & bias-laden 'facts'?
The REAL facts are getting out. They're not good for Sawant's amateur-hour politics.
What a great point. People will work less hours in order to stay on city services, while the businesses still have to figure out how to increase their income.
Or, these same people get kicked off of their social services because they'll be earning too much money...
Wow. Good point. Do these people even THINK about these more complex issues? Nope.
And then she tries to again manipulate the conversation to move away from numbers to talk about people...because the numbers are so badly for her.
The woman with ~1,200 employees points out to her that she's had CUTS in her funding, not raises like she and Licata are trying to suggest would happen...
Again. Dreamers vs. reality.
I'm really not very political so I'm not looking to make any statements here I am simply wondering what the outcomes will be to those hardworking small business owners that are just trying to live the American dream.
@34 - I was not born into money or handed anything if that's what you mean? I would not be sure exactly your point since I am not sure I understand your big words as I could not afford to go to college in my youth. However I did work hard and achieved success through my determination so now I can afford to one day help my son go to college when the time comes. As an immigrant this is part of my American dream and I won't let anything get in the way of that.
Are you sure because animals don't know how to use condoms either.
Oh lordy, you mean they might have to pay to raise their own children when they get a raise? How terrible! Fuck me, I want a raise and to keep my freebies too!
“I qualify for a small amount of food stamps”
or
“We are not on any public assistance,”
•••••••••••••••••••
So you’re poor. You’re not under a bridge.
“We are not miserable people, nor are we ambitious. “
We’ll maybe that’s your failure, not being ambitious. Why should ambitious people pay your bills?
“My $15 dollars an hour is keeping 3 people alive, we're making it work. “
With public assistance.
I'm also curious about the people that are currently making between current MW and 15/hr, are they getting raises at the same amount as the increase or will they be making the same as entry level workers?
Personally, I'm considered a skill worker, but I make less than 15/hr now, I'll be looking to take someones job that is less skilled in Seattle for an increase in pay. Sorry unskilled worker, go look for work outside Seattle.
Up at comment number 30something I had asked that of someone else... I'm really wondering how it's working out for people who have achieved ~15/hr over a number of years. The person I had asked indicated 10 years for them to get to 15/hr.
Anyone out there have word on what your employer is going to do?
Employers too, how are you going to handle this?
I am an employer, I own 2 restaurant/bars with 34 employees between them both. Here are some effects that I will be instituting
1-Eliminate dishwasher shifts Sun-Tues nights costing approx. 1.5 jobs. I will invest in more dishes so we don't run out during the dinner rush on those nights, but chefs will now do the dishes in the slow times.
2-This will stagnate & depress kitchen wages in the long run, the group most deserving the raise & where you are most likely to find minorities. For every chef who gets at most a $1/hr raise there are 2 tipped employees getting $5.68 each. Over 85% of the wage gains go to tipped employees, the lowest of which already makes $19/hr factoring in credit card tips only. As more of the labor budget goes to tipped employees there will be less for kitchen raises & advancement.
3-I will raise prices at both restaurants 10% in addition to normally occurring inflation. The 2nd restaurant opened a yr ago & is just breaking even. If the neighborhood doesn't support the price increase it will close, costing 16 jobs. The 1st restaurants will be fine, but I can't risk the 2nd dragging it down if it loses $.
4-If I am lucky enough to open a 3rd restaurant/bar it will be in Edmonds, Kirkland, or Bellevue while this economic experiment plays out. This is just a wise hedging of my investments. One thing that discourages capital investment is uncertainty.
Lastly I hope that this all works out, and that people keep spending $ in Seattle, and keep tipping as they have been and we all are better off. If so I will increase the kitchen tip out to offset the depressed wages as tipped employees take more labor. This is as long as tipping the kitchen remains legal in Washington State, if it is made illegal like in other states, this is really going to screw over the kitchen & increase wage disparity in full service restaurant.
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No links or substantiation is provided for 'The Nickerson Analysis'. Do you have a link for that?