Podcasts Jul 31, 2012 at 1:00 am

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To the guy whose wife doesn't want sex after the baby: I was in the same position! Go with her to a doctor and have her checked for post-partum or a hormone imbalance. I did that with my wife and it completely saved our marriage.
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I think the adult baby's wife should wait a while. Didn't she say that the mommy the adult baby was all excited about was a NEW mommy? Maybe wait and see. Any new social thing feels thrilling and important at first. If the Adult Baby Community becomes in time like getting together with the bowling league for him, great. If on the other hand it stays the most important intimate connection in his life forever, it's long since time to let him toddle away, and it won't be the wife's fault when he does.

He should've had the babyballs to tell her the full story prenuptially, but he didn't. Now the therapist and the wife and everybody in the Adult Baby Community is bending over backward to accommodate him and if the marriage ends it's the wife's fault for kowtowing to the dominate culture yadda? No. If the marriage ends it's because the husband lied at the outset because he was kowtowing to the dominate culture yadda. It's super he's found a new subculture that will permit him to thumbsuck his way through life pretending Santa is real and no bad people will ever hurt him omigodthiskinkmakesmeinsane, but the time to invite his wife to join that subculture or accept his membership in it was back in the day before they signed papers.
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To Mike in California: Before you go down the road Dan suggested and have the possible-divorce-inducing conversation he described, you might want to hit pause for a sec. You need to make an important distinction. Does your wife not want to have sex AT ALL or just not WITH YOU? Is it a lack of general libido, or husband-specific-libido? If it's Option A, then yes, a doctor's visit or hall pass may be solutions. If it's Option B, then please, let me allow you to peek inside my brain. I hope it helps.

My 37 y/o husband and I (I'm early 30's, healthy) have only had sex a handful of times- as in single digits- since my now 3-year-old daughter was born. I am not alone- I have a small circle of friends in very similar situations, all with young kids and alarmingly quiet bedrooms. Dan only briefly touched on a possible culprit that absolutely kills my husband-specific-libido and the husband-specific-libido of my friends: resentment.

You mentioned you have a young child. Your wife is likely exhausted, as Dan said, especially if she also works outside the home. It's a lot of work, and it's work that needs to be shared. Ask yourself- and ask her if you can do so without starting a fight- if you are pulling your own weight.

Wiping noses and potty training and watching the same episode of Backyardigans for the umpteenth time are not exactly great fantasy fodder. If she also has to put down the toilet seat and pick up your shit-stained underwear and be the only one scrubbing "washable-my-ass" markers off the wall, the last thing she wants to do after all that is touch your dick. This doesn't mean she doesn't want to get off. It's just that she'd rather do it by herself, while you're downstairs watching SportsCenter, because then she doesn't have to shave her legs or find some way swallow all the resentment that's been building all day while she felt overwhelmed and underappreciated. There is nothing that makes me want to fuck my husband less than for him to sit on his ass while I'm busting mine. And there are no sexier words on the planet to a mother of a young child than, "Here, let me get that. You go sit down for a minute."

I think it's a cop-out to immediately peg the wife in these scenarios as cold or 'imbalanced.' And it sounds like you've immediately translated her lack of desire to have sex with you into a lack of desire, period. Whether she’ll admit it to you or not, she's probably fingerblasting away to her own fantasies, the way I do. Because those fantasy guys never, ever, ask her for sex like they're asking for a glass of milk. They do the fucking laundry, set the timer on the coffee maker, eat her out with gusto for half an hour and then give her a neck massage until she falls asleep.

I acknowledge that I could just be projecting, but I do know that I’m not alone. Just try it, dude. The worst thing that will happen is that you’ll be jerking off in a cleaner house until another solution presents itself.
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The cuck-queen caller really interested me, because I've never heard another woman talk about being into this before, so thank you caller! My long-term partner and I dirty-talk this all the time. I think you can make it work if you control the depth of the conversation yourself (who is he cheating on you with, what you would be doing while he's doing ___ with her, etc.) so that you don't freak yourself out. It's hard to accept this kink, and a little embarrassing to bring up, but you deserve to enjoy yourself! I know I do!
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Excellent advice to the adult baby's wife.
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Also, I love the guy who called in about the spineless guy whose girlfriend cheated on him. He sounds smart and like a unique thinker and like he understands feminism. Ahhhhhh ladyboners.
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the call from Mike 36 from California reminds me of my own situation so much. I tried everything with my own wife. We didn't have sex for two years.

The hard thing for Mike to realize here, is that his wife doesn't love him anymore. Any jealousy about another lover is probably coming from a place of fear on her part. I disagree with Dan about the reasons, 1.) needing to see the doctor. 2.) not helping out enough. etc., You have been left emotionally, you're just there to appease her fears.

After trying everything, my wife left me for a 28 year old fireman who has recently dumped her. Its a sad situation. Get out Mike! Its better for your child and you in the end!
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To the cuck-queen caller: Please do take Dan's advice about rethinking the fundamentals of your fantasy, about the respect issue. Your fantasy seems to be just a more extreme (or specific, perhaps?) version of what healthy BDSM does, which is latch on to the transgressive elements of power exchange.

I can only speak for myself and my own experiences here, but I am a feminist who really digs being a bottom (and a top) in large part because it isn't what I'm "supposed" to do. I've only played with partner who have established with me that they respect me as a partner, scholar, friend, etc. before we go kinky, and it is such fun. If I were ever with someone who didn't clearly establish the groundwork of respect - who, perhaps, really did think of me in particular (or women in general) as things to be used - that would not be okay, but with the right relationship the power exchange is fun because it is not true.

My current partner has gone out of his way to say that he likes topping me so much because he respects me; the contrast between who I am (smart, strong, confident, etc) and what he can "make" me do is what is erotically interesting to him. As you build more trust in your relationship, the cuck-queen thing may become less threatening BECAUSE your partner would never cheat on you; it may be hot because it is so wildly unlike your actual relationship.
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No, Dan! Not the 1-minute wonders again! 1-minute questions, hells yes. 1-minute answers? Not so awesome. I listen to your show for the advice, sure, but more than that, because you're hilarious when delivering said advice. You are much less hilarious when you try to spit out such rapid-fire answers. Maybe a compromise? 1 minute for the questions, and 5 minutes for each answer? Even 3 minutes would be better.
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I think Dan should have been a little easier on the "find it elsewhere" advice for the man whose wife doesn't want sex. Not that I disagree with that advice, but it would certainly be worth the man's time to find out WHY- if she isn't cooperative in the discussion/doesn't see a doctor, then proceed to getting it elsewhere. That said, if the emotional relationship is still fully intact, there's no reason why they shouldn't be able to discuss and come to understand the situation together.
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I think the thing that Dan is overlooking with both the cross dressing husband and the adult baby is that there is often a very public aspect to their kink. The woman who wrote into Prudie was probably most upset with the fact that her husband was starting to cross-dress(paint his toenails and wear sandals in public IIRC) in public and make comments about it to the woman's friends. The adult baby woman didn't say whether he wants to wear the diaper in public, but did say he acted like a baby as a self-defense mechanism... While Dan is right that partners should be GGG in the bedroom when it comes to kinks, I think that the GGG aspect should end at the bedroom door....
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Mike, if you're reading this:
- Are there medical issues or medications that are killing libido? Can any of these be modified?
- If not, how "attractive" are you as a man (professionally successful, doing your share of maintaining a household, fit, having a life, good balance of assertive and "supportive") relative to her "attractiveness" as a woman? How do other women (and men) react to you as an attractive/compelling person to be with (or boink)? If you're lacking in this regard, can you kick it up a notch without seeming obvious and desperate? This can take a while, as in years, but even if it doesn't save this marriage, it'll make you a better man for your next relationship. A good place to read about these concepts in depth is the blog "Married Man Sex Life".
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Hi. I want to add two cents about the call from the man in the sexless marriage, which is that for me a huge part of what is lacking in my marriage is actually not just sex. My wife has had a really hard time giving me her intimate attention generally, not just sexually. Although the sex hasn't returned to our marriage, much of our intimacy has, and the key to making this happen was communication. Lots of communication. The hard kind, with crying and yelling and more crying.

Also, in straight married couples like mine, sex tends to be defined as always penis/vagina intercourse, but that actually other sex acts can be just as intimate. I'd prefer an enthusiastically given handjob to grudgingly accepted intercourse any day of the week.

I blog about sexless marriage at http://sexlessfather.wordpress.com and the comment threads there have brought up some very interesting discussion.
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Dan, I love you, but you gotta stop taking calls from/calling people who are on their cellphones in their cars! You can drive OR you can have a conversation on your phone about cuckholding, but you can't do both at the same time and I don't want to be the person who gets mowed down by the person you're enlightening. DON'T DO IT, DAN. Pedestrians have problematic sex too, and we can't call you and whine about it if we're dead.
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I felt so bad for the woman who cried after her cuckolding fantasies. Honey, don't worry about it. You never have to do that stuff. They're just fantasies, and they're what get you over the edge so you can come. Just leave it at that. Lots of us have fantasies of things that are not something we want to do in real life. These things do not make us bad people. It would be GREAT if we could all get off on fantasies of something lovey-dovey, something totally vanilla that involves only our own partner...but many of us can't. I bet your fantasies will evolve a bit over time as your libido gets bored with one scenario and moves on to another. I bet they're always been in this general vein, however.

I think Dan spends waaay to much time in these conversations going over and over the fantasies and talking about how they can one day be realized. Let it go, both caller and Dan. They are what they are: a fleeting series of images that pushes us over the edge into orgasm.
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You know, like, it's really annoying, like, when people can't stop like, saying the word LIKE. Excellent advice on Dan's part, but I actually had to skip through the last five minutes of that call to preserve my own sanity...
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If the caller and other similarly-situated men read posting #3 above and start to accept blame for their circumstance, please stop right now and get that "Oh, it must be my fault...." out of your head.

What you read in #3 is a common rhetorical ploy of "if there is a problem with *my* libido, it traces back to my husband's failings" fobbing of nearly all responsibility for female desire in a marriage back onto men. Don't accept it. She is a grown woman. If she needs help around the house, she needs to say so, not wait for you to read her mind. And if she is withholding sex until you read her mind, she is paving the path to divorce with her contempt for you. Not your fault. Hers.

Grown ups in a marriage talk to the spouses about things like housework and sex. And they do it before resentfully denying sex to partners.

For those guys who find themselves facing the "I would want sex, but those dishes in the sink...sigh..how can we have sex with dirty dishes in the sink!" argument, go online into the sexless marriage forums for people like you. You will find legions of stories of men who were told that "choreplay" (this claim is so common it has a derisive name) was the problem. Of course, the men often discovered that once he was doing the dishes, buying the groceries, cooking dinners, etc, in addition to working full time, the result was...no additional sex. You get awful stories of guys who work a full day, come home to clean the house and prepare dinner, etc. No change in the sexless marriage results, however. Don't fall for the bullshit. Leave if you can. Lie if you must.
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Cuckqueening doesn't necessarily have to be about power exchange. You know how ladies stereotypically get all protective of their man when another woman is interested? Well, don't think like that. For me, (and I'm a bi woman) the thought of my amazing sexy boyfriend fucking a beautiful woman until she comes is extremely erotic. Also it it can be about you in the power position, just the other way around. As in, boyfrIend wants nobody but you, but you're "making" him do your friend. He is at her service to make her come but he has to wait to finish until you say so.
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# 3, if you haven't communicated this to your husband, you are more at fault than he is. And I'm saying this as a woman, one who was primarily responsible for the child care and house work.

Simmering in a pool of resentment is a choice you are making, and it's killing your marriage.

Your husband may also be making bad, marriage-killing choices, but there's not much you can do about those - you can do something about your own.

Your marriage needs some honest communication - that means both talking AND listening, BTW - and it needs it now. Nothing else you are doing for your kids is as essential as this, so no excuses about how busy you are.

When you entered an exclusive lifelong sexual contract, you took some responsibility for your husband's sexual needs. If you are unable to fulfill that responsibility because of something he is doing or not doing, he needs to know. You don't get to just blow him off.
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The call from the sexless guy was heartbreaking. I can't relate exactly because I'm not married and don't have kids (calls like these make me ever more scared to have kids!!), but I was in a two year relationship with a partner who almost NEVER wanted to have sex with me. I felt constantly rejected and manipulated, because she would often dangle the promise of sex to get me to leave parties, come to her place, etc. And then she would take the sex back off the table. It was humiliating falling asleep horny and angry and I grew to really resent and loathe her.

I agree with #17, I have a feeling that "choreplay" probably isn't always the answer. In my situation, even when I did the things she asked of me, her libido never changed.

And certainly #3...how heartbreaking for your husband that you're angrily masturbating upstairs when you know he wants you...and all you have to do is communicate with him that you want your pussy eaten and a neck massage?? (I'm never getting married....)

#18, super hot ;)
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To the man in the sexless marriage, if #3 is correct and you aren't chipping in with chores, then man-up and take care of your family responsibilities regardless of whether it gets you sex or not. That is simply your obligation as a spouse, parent and human being, to do your fair share of the household work, not something you do to earn sex. (And #3, please listen to #18, she nailed it).

As far as getting sex back in your marriage, before taking a course of action very likely to end your marriage, I propose that you suggest the following to your wife: establish a sex schedule with your wife. Sound crazy? Sex with you shouldn't be a chore or an obligation? Well, how is it different from the person who indulges in their partner's kink even though it doesn't do anything for him or her personally? If she willingly has sex with you for your pleasure alone, it is an act of love and generosity. If you forgo sex with her, despite your desire, on no-sex nights, it too is act of love of generosity. What about spontaneity? How is that exactly working for you? Scheduled sex with a willing partner beats no sex any day in my book.

With a schedule, you'll know that you will have sex every other night or every two nights, or whatever and you can relax until the next scheduled time, not be constantly fixated, and you can get release by masturbating until then if you need to. She will get to enjoy your company until the next scheduled time without pressure or guilt, she will be able to hug you, kiss you, be flirtatious in a way she can't be right now without worrying that a kiss on the cheek will be interpreted to mean she wants to run to the bedroom. Resentment goes away, and makes room for intimacy, which can help her libido to return.

Maybe sex night will feel like a chore to her, particularly at first, but if she can remember that she is having sex not out of guilt or resentment, but out of love and a desire to please you that is mutually beneficial by removing the pressure and guilt she currently lives with, she is likely to soon find the sex isn't the chore she thought it was. The sex should be loving, generous, trying to please her too, with the hope that she may respond over time to your attention. For some women the desire for sex is like the itch they didn't know needed scratching: start scratching and she realizes she had an itch. Of course, this is all consensual, and she always has a pass to say no ("I know it is a scheduled night, but I have horrible cramps, let's reschedule for tomorrow when I know the cramps will be gone."), but she must be committed to the schedule out of her love for you and you have to very closely follow her lead on no-sex days (no sex or pressure at all, no matter what she does, unless she very clearly says she wants to have sex or you have very clear rules that if she does x you are free to interpret that as an invitation for sex).

It requires lots of open communication, absolute honesty, and a desire to be loving and generous with your spouse. Spontaneity may return and you can ditch the schedule, but even if it never does, is it so bad to have a marriage where you have regular sex, no guilt, no resentment, intimacy and love instead of a sexless marriage? What's the harm in trying it? If she says no even after time to think it over and she doesn't propose an alternate solution, I would say, take the advice Dan gave you even if it ends your marriage.
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Hi, poster #3 here again. What I was trying to point out is that there's a difference between libido, the drive to have sex in general, and the drive to have sex with one's husband. It didn't sound to me from Mike's call that he'd differentiated between the two. In my case, my libido is perfectly intact. However, it is physically impossible for me to be aroused by someone towards whom I feel anger or resentment. It's a kill switch in my sexual response system. From my husband's side of the table, he simply does not see housework as a priority and thinks that if I do, then it should live on my to-do list, not his. Nagging is a kill- switch for his wife-specific libido.
And so there's our impasse, at least for now.
I too suggest lots of communication, and the screaming and crying kind, if necessary. I have communicated my needs, both domestic and sexual, to my husband, at length. I've heard his. Through those conversations it's become clear that the anger about housework has less to do with actual mopping and more to do with inequality of expectations and my own struggle with the guilt that accompanies working motherhood. I've learned that the problem with my fantastic husband and father to my child is that he's a shitty roommate and that turns me off. So yeah, we're working on it, or trying to. Mike's wife might be as well. Maybe he could help her out by bringing some things to his side of the equation, which #12 suggested but Dan's advice basically skipped right over.
And 17, "accepting blame" is also something grown-ups do.
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If you're in a sexless marriage, don't assume there's anything you can "do". Ask your wife if there's something she's needing, and ask her to get her hormones checked. (If she's lost her libido from physical causes, she might not really know what she's missing or miss it.) Of course, if you have a young child, accept that there will probably be less sex for the first few years of the child's life -- maybe until they start school -- particularly if the wife is doing most/all of the childcare.

But, if she can't articulate what she wants/needs, or if she doesn't want to regain intimacy... time to DTMFA.

Same would go, of course, if it was the man withholding sex.
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Some advice I felt was missing to the wife of the adult baby: It sounded like he was hurting her feelings with his enthusiasm for his "mom". If she tries to negotiate a return to him, she might want to set boundaries and limits on him. She's the primary, after all. Also, how about some advice or a word for if she decides to end it?
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I don't remember hearing anything about how old the child was in the "sexless marriage". In addition to the possibilities that #3 raised, is the new mother still breastfeeding? Being hung on and touched all day by your child, not to mention producing the nutritional needs for another human being is EXHAUSTING. If it has been two, three, four years, then maybe Dan's advice would work, but if my husband had tried that crap with me after, say, 4-6 months, we would be divorced.
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#18 sort of said what I was thinking about the cuckqueen call - is it possible that you are mis-defining what turns you on? If you're turned on by your boyfriend "cheating", but then the thought of him actually cheating because it is disrespectful and unloving makes you cry, do you need to redefine it? Maybe you're not turned on by him "cheating", maybe you're turned on by enthusiastically sending him out to sleep with another woman. Perhaps some people get turned on by the "cheating" and the "humiliation", but you are just turned on by your boyfriend fucking someone else. It doesn't have to be "cheating" if you think it's awesome. Maybe you should have a threesome?
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Also, #17, I do use the term choreplay, and not derisively. It's an aptly crafted portmanteau. There rings a note of truth in the tongue-in-cheek humor to calendars like Porn For Women featuring shirtless guys scrubbing bathtub grout. Your sob story about the poor, poor neglected men venting on those online forums that they went to work for a WHOLE DAY and then cooked AND cleaned up and then they (gasp) didn't get laid at the end of that day fails to move me. That "awful" day you describe is my day, every day, and I'm not getting laid at the end of it either! If Mike's wife's general libido is intact like mine is, she misses getting laid like I do. 
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At #3...if he's not listening to you, won't change, he makes you miserable, you don't want to fuck him (and it sounds like you can't stand him)...DTMFA? Sounds like your marriage is in a very bad place and it's not just about sex. That sucks.
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Totally agree with oparsenal about post-partum depression with respect to the man in the sex-less marriage. Depressed people (and the people around them) often don't realise they're depressed and it can make them feel cold and resentful - and they loose interest in sex. This can be years after birth, not just a few weeks after. I'm a bit disappointed Dan didn't pick up on this as he's usually brilliant.
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Because when the D in DTMFA is the actual big D, and especially because we're parents, it's not as simple as changing my fb status and 'sleep diagonal in my bed.' I'm choosing to work on it because our sexlessness is something that gets filed under 'worse' in the 'for better or for worse' part of the deal.
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@Dustyshasha: Out of curiosity, did you always know he didn't feel housework was important, or was it something that came on later? I guess it frightens me that while your story is really unfortunate, it's also fairly common and I'd like to know how it happens so I can hope to avoid it.
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@Also, I would like to say for the record that your husband is being an asshole. "You're the one who cares if the house is dirty, YOU do the cleaning" is not a line someone who really loves their partner should be able to say. Part of loving someone is indulging differences in preferences. If he loves you, you'd think he'd realize that letting you live in an environment you hate (aka a messy house) is really cruel. Would he be okay with you blaring music he can't stand in the house nonstop because you're okay with that music?

I also agree with you that letting the men get away with pretending they're saints for doing cooking and cleaning after work is ridiculous. I mean, women are just EXPECTED to do that. Hell, after his first marriage ended, my dad parented my half-sisters by himself for years doing all the cleaning, cooking and childcare. No one gave him a medal. I'm not saying it isn't hard, but it also isn't really going above the call of duty.

I think that your husband needs to understand that you are miserable, and if he helped you feel less overworked, stressed, unappreciated, and completely overwhelmed, then maybe you'd be happy enough to actually want him again. Especially because you see him everyday NOT helping you escape from your misery. I'm sure that's really why you resent him: he could help out with all the things that are stressing you out and making you feel overworked, and yet he chooses not to.
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I've been starting to get hooked on listening. Adult Baby Community? I knew things like this existed, but hearing about it such detail took the wind out of me a little; however, to each's own is my motto-Love.
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@Alguna- I did know that he was a slob before we met. It was a big hunk of pre-moving-in-together stress for me. I remember saying before we took the cohabitation step, quite specifically, "I can't live in a state of contsant dirt and chaos the way that you can." I got a since-broken commitment from him that he understood and wouldn't treat our shared space the same way he treated his bachelor pad. So despite the clearest of communication, things still went awry.

And yes, the most simply-reduced explanation of my resentment is that he is sitting on his ass while I'm frenetically trying to not burn dinner, fill out my kid's dance class registration form, reply to my sister's email, and refill the dog's water dish. This has led to my fantasizing about a torture device that I would sew into his underwear. Picture a spring-loaded bear trap. I would wear a remote-control depressor button in my back pocket. If I'm sitting down, then he could sit down and not activate the bear trap. If I'm up and about, and my button is not depressed, then he has a maximum of 10 minutes before he has to also stand up and help by doing SOMETHING or else the timer goes off and the bear trap bites his taint. If sales are strong enough, I get to hire a cleaning service.

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