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Do you realize you opened this recent show by uniformly demonizing a demographic of people different from you based on the a false stereotype promulgated by people philosophically opposed to said demographic?
As a gay man I somehow am called to task for every boy-fucking pedophile and am faced with popular culture ignorantly espousing the idea that I am a threat to their children. The statistical outlier and I have NOTHING in common. I am not a party to that behavior in ANY WAY.
As a targeted demographic who at this time has no choice but to live in a less than crime-free area, I also own a gun and have a carry permit. I responsibly own a gun. Why? because society doesn't give a shit about targeted demographics and minorities and how they are victimized. I don't support the NRA. I know many other progressive liberal people who also responsibly own guns and don't support the NRA. Now by simple virtue of being a gun owner I am being called to task for every kid-killing psycho. I get it now. You hate me for my lifestyle and are promoting others to do the same.
Then, LATER IN THE EPISODE you make the point that you support pedophiles in that you support them not to be an offender. That is a just perspective. You are sympathetic to their circumstance which you and your guest acknowledge is partially out of their control. You say you are for punishing people for how they offend, if they offend. You acknowledge that a man with the passionate desire to fuck kids can also be thoughtful and rational and responsible and have the control and NOT fuck kids.
You can justly and accurately parse the nuance of real world pedophilia, I know you have the capability to understand the nuance of a real world gun owner.
-responsibly packed trousers
So, if I understand you correctly, you're equating the choice to be a gun owner with your sexual orientation and pedophiles in that it's the "good version" of the problematic sorts: child molesters and murderers.
Pedophiles are people who did not choose to be such, but have urges and sexual drives that tend them towards horrible actions (child molestation). Resisting those urges to avoid being evil is more difficult for them than it is for others, and *that* is praiseworthy: accomplishing that which is difficult, in the name of morality. The only choice made here is a difficult one, and a moral one.
You, by comparison, made two choices here: the choice to be a gun owner and the choice to not murder people. While you have the right to make those choices, you don't have the right to make them free from the social judgment of others; while the Second Amendment protects your rights, the First Amendment protects Dan's (and others') free speech to criticize you if he so chooses. Choosing to be a gun owner is at best controversial, as there is little real need for anyone to possess a tool useful for only one thing: destruction and death.
You don't get a cookie for not being a murderer. I don't think anyone should be praised for that absolute minimum level of humanity.
If you have urges, comparable between your gun-owner status and pedophelia, that compel you towards horrible actions, I would hope that you seek some of the readily-available mental health treatment options available to you.
There is a universe of difference between, say, my family's heirloom rifles or those belonging to hunters (and deer around here are as numerous as mice and if we're not going to eat them we need to bring in some wolves or something, and somehow i don't think that'll go over) and the arsenal of semiautomatics in the basement of a mentally unwell doomsday prepper. But the dialog this week all over the net has been to equate all of the above.
We really do need to examine the system. I think some changes are long overdue. (Tests? Classes? Mandated range practice? I don't know. I'd be in favor of any of that.) But we need to get to a place where the dialog is less hostile.
Yes, I think it's appropriate that everyone's talking about guns and my constant refrain is something like "OK, everybody, just be cool. We're all friends, here. . . "
Supporting crisis centers is a great gesture. Rudely patronise someone as if they are ignorant to any social issue is not.
what if it had been your husband?
of course, I'm assuming nothing else is wrong with the marriage, and the wife love him.
"Australia solved the gun problem in 1996 after a terrible day in Tasmania- 35 killed and many injured.
The Prime Minister acted quickly and rammed through legislation, aimed at banning guns.
In simple terms, it worked this way-
1- Declare an amnesty period where the government bought back firearms from the general population. Over 600,000 weapons were redeemed and destroyed in the 12-month period.
2- Any guns not returned attracted a severe penalty for the owner/handler.
3- Permits were very severly tightened, and only a limited number of licences were issued. These permits were mainly for target shooting clubs, professional hunters, defence forces, security personnel and police.
Granted, there are still guns in the community and I am not naive enough to believe that we will get rid of them all, but it is a bloody good start. I have had a rifle aimed at my chest, and it is a feeling that I never want to experience again.
I saw a stat that stated that 1,000,000 Americans have been killed or injured by gunshot since the death of Martin Luther King. That is EVERY man, woman and child in San Jose, Indianapolis, Austin or San Francisco. Can the American lawmakers afford to not act?"
Measures like this would not be accepted by Americans, but surely if other places can take drastic steps of this kind, something like a ban on assault weapons could fly in the US?
We need not to ban guns but to allow them into more places! Then and only then will these mass shootings stop. Allow everyone to open carry everywhere, with proper training, to show the criminals that we will not accept what they do and you will see the crime rate fall.
I thought your point regarding gun control puts a very simplistic rationalization behind a very complicated problem.
Criminals are going to get guns. Just because a criminal has a gun does not mean I should not have the right to defend my home with one. I live in one of the richest cities in the world... but home invasion robberies still occur here on a routine basis.
I believe the out of control problem of these lunatics going on rampages comes more from the lack of mental health care in our society, for which we can thank Regan for closing down all the care facilities. If a psycho wants to kill a group of people, they will do so with or without a gun.
"Pedophiles are people who did not choose to be such, but have urges and sexual drives that tend them towards horrible actions (child molestation)."
Pedophiles dont want to molest children any more than men want to rape women. Most pedophiles want to have consensual sex with children, not rape. It's a romantic, emotional and erotic sexual orientation. It is not "horrible" feeling love towards other person.
There a great deal of truth in that. That is why the penalties for having an illegal gun need to be kicked up a few notches. If the law is changed to illegal gun ='s mandatory jail and selling illegal guns ='s a long mandatory sentence it will make illegal guns far riskier, more expensive and most importantly far more difficult for criminals to get.
Paisley: Yes, Spironolactone is the name of the drug. It inhibits the effect of testosterone, which includes sexual drive among other effects. Side effects can include loss of muscle mass and severe liver damage, from what I understand. I must have mentioned it in one of my other calls, and forgotten it in the most stable one. Sucks, cause it's a very important detail. It works, though. I apologize for my incoherent speech. It was a rough day.
I do want to say that I am not some kind of unstable sex hound. I am not worried about hurting a child in any way. Having been molested by my brother and a neighbor as a child, I could never possibly do such a thing. My discontent stems from self disgust. I am very much aware of what....excites me. It is that awareness that causes my anxiety on the issue.
A_Pedo: You're insane. There is no reason, ever, to approach a child in such a manner. The only thing you can do is suck it up, keep it in fantasyland and stay away from children. I hope very much that you are under some sort of medication or supervision, because that sort of 'pride' scares the shit out of me. How could you be proud of it? Proud that a part of your mind wants to ruin a child's life. A part of your mind you can never be free of. No child should be a part of any 'loving' relationship you allude to. I didn't understand what was going on when I was a child. I thought it was a game. I didn't know what was wrong when I was being grilled by cops and my parents were crying. Later in life that confusion turned to hatred for the people who did that to me. A pity they're both dead already. You would do that to some kid?
I can say that Dr. Cantor is correct. I have known since I was a child myself that I was looking at other children. I can't really explain it...as I got older, the things that interested me stayed the same. Was I born this way? Was it the result of my abuse? A pity there's no cure for it.
In any case, I will pass on joining that VirPed group. The last thing I want is to be constantly reminded of what I am. I am in therapy, separately, for depression and anxiety. It's a shame I cannot discuss it with my therapist, but that's life I guess. I hope that group can help others, though. It's pretty damning to have a secret you can't tell anybody about. This is the first time I have ever said those words. Nice to say it to somebody. Thanks for the kind words, Dan. Always been a huge fan of your work for LGBT rights.
I was so saddened after hearing your call. What a terrible burden to have. I hope that you can continue to fight it. Please do not give up.
FourthCaller: Wow, no surprise you loathe yourself. According to you, being different is wrong. Diversity is wrong. Sexual difference is bad.
@25: Im not a fucking troll! Just because I think both pedophilia AND homosexuality are normal sexual orientations, that means im a troll?? Stop treating people who disagree with you as trolls.
I "love" how instead of discussing what I said you resort to name calling. Instead of addresing the central point, you just call people "trolls".
See how that doesn't make any sense at all? Zero? Here's something else that makes zero sense:
"Now some reasonable and informed people are concerned the government will restrict their gun rights without effectively solving the problem."
No reasonable informed person thinks the government is going to take away his heirloom rifle collection or his "bunch of cool handguns that I like--sure, okay, maybe I could use them for self protection" arsenal in a misguided effort to prevent lunatics from running around the land using assault rifles to aerate crowds of people in schools, malls and theaters. Reasonable informed people realize that the overwhelming majority of American citizens plus a small cadre of slightly less than usually corrupted pols would like to keep machine guns and multiple-round magazines off the market to make it harder for loons to mow down a whole boatload of people at once. That's a REASONABLE attitude, on the part of the majority of Americans and a few politicians. See, that's what the word REASONABLE means: it might HAPPEN in the real actual world. It makes SENSE. It might WORK. Can you see the difference between reasonable and what you wrote there?
But yeah. Dental dams are awesome.
Speaking of the Oregon mall shooting, the shooter was confronted by a civilian with a concealed carry permit after he began shooting and then fled into a hallway where he killed himself. http://www.kgw.com/news/Clackamas-man-ar… Try and find this story in the literally thousands of stories about the shooting, along with the tens of thousands of crimes that are stopped by law abiding gun owners throughout the country each year! The second amendment is not about duck hunting, it is about our right to protect the first and third through tenth and fourteenth amendments!
If you ask the military what an "assault weapon" is they will tell you it is a select fire rifle. Select fire means it can be put into either automatic or burst mode.
As a civilian you CAN NOT buy either.
A semiautomatic gun (rifle or pistol or whatevery) just means you get one round per trigger pull.
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More broadly, the notion of being able to regulate away crime is exactly like the laws trying to regulate away the gay. Laws will not stop it. (Note, I'm not trying to equate gays with criminals -- I'm simply just comparing existing laws)
If you ask the military what an "assault weapon" is they will tell you it is a select fire rifle. Select fire means it can be put into either automatic or burst mode.
As a civilian you CAN NOT buy either.
A semiautomatic gun (rifle or pistol or whatevery) just means you get one round per trigger pull.
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More broadly, the notion of being able to regulate away crime is exactly like the laws trying to regulate away the gay. Laws will not stop it. (Note, I'm not trying to equate gays with criminals -- I'm simply just comparing existing laws)
scrap the second amendment?
You bring up japan and air rifles. Japan was very recently ruled by a king and instigated war which killed millions of people. This is recent history, so don't forget how things really are on the historical scale of things before you start with the knee jerk reactions to things.