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How many times has it come to?
Is Bill current in his apologies?
When was his most recent apology?
Has Bill ever apologized for an affair that had not been exposed before he 'fessed up about it?
Cause he probably is just sorry he got caught, not that he got some.
But Slut Shaming the victims of your husband's sexual assaults?
Priceless.
To all of above.
I don't think it's Hillary's voice -- probably too painful for her to say something so blunt - but Dan saying it for her. Good.
Probably redundant, as they are already pretty fucked.
thanks. The reiteration was warranted
Let's just call a spade a spade: The Clintons have an open marriage. They have for decades. And it's pretty obviously a DADT-style open marriage, where he screws around more than she does. And I think she's genuinely irritated whenever one of her husband's women comes to light, partly because she doesn't like hearing about it, and partly because she's irritated at him for being careless and causing a political liability in their highly ambitious, driven, power-couple, mostly companionate marriage. But there's far less of Bill's 'cheating' than there used to be, because he's an older man now.
There is no way for Hillary to convey all of this in a way that would go over with the bourgeois-puritan sensibilities of Middle America, however. So Dan's speech is probably the best thing she could say.
Statistically, US women now cheat at the same rate as men. I am going to go out on a limb here and venture to guess, despite that purported fact, that most any man who hasn't yet cheated will cheat on his significant other if he thinks he has little chance of being found out. However, how is it relevant to whether a candidate would be the best one for the job of POTUS if that presidential candidate's spouse has/is/will cheated on that candidate? Is this not victim blaming? Why is Bill Clinton's cheating on his wife your concern? Why is it an issue for anyone but the Clinton family? Have you looked at the history of the dalliances of the various other former presidents and their wives? This entire issue is beating a dead horse. Move the f*ck on!
Remember, Max; we are not your problem.
Mr Savage said: "A decent person apologizes for cheating, which is what my husband did."
A decent person does not serially cheat, and apologize when caught, but go on cheating.
We are helping Mr Savage parse the various layers of this stinky little shit soufflé.
No one knows a marriage but the two people in it. That the Clintons have forged their own type of marriage is really their own business. (If Bill had treated me like that, I would have bitch-slapped him and left.)
But, unlike many holier-than-thou Republicans who are on their second or third wives, the Clintons chose to stick to together and work it out. You can't fault them for that.
But mainly, the issue has nothing to do with Hillary Clinton being President. It's been one of her trials by fire thru life (and speaks to her ability to withstand a lot personally.) But beyond that, who cares?
But, as Michelle Obama says, when they go low, we go high. If Trump wants to get down in the gutter, Hillary should let him and then step over him as she goes on to become president.
Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing her grind her (no doubt sensibly sized) heel into that spray-on pompadour just a little bit as she does...
So a good abbreviated version of what Dan suggests would be, "I love my husband and he loves me. We're not perfect, but we have successfully worked through the difficulties of our 40-year [or however many years] marriage and are happy together and proud of the smart, compassionate, beautiful daughter we raised. I don't think it serves the American people to discuss any extramarital affair that my husband has had any more than it would serve them to discuss any of Donald's extramarital affairs."
Boom! One minute instead of ten.
Fuck the fuck off.
And really, isn't the Clinton's marriage a lot like many of Dan's letter writers? A lot of marriages start out with a promise of fidelity, but after a couple decades, fidelity may take a back seat, sex gets stale or tiresome, and there are a host of other meaningful reasons to stay married that have nothing to do with sexual fidelity. Who cares? As long as they're happy, more power to them.
Yes. I completely believe that this is something Trump did and said. Absolutely. This is completely expected, normal human behavior, that a person would do an hour before the most important debate of his life.
Is there any video evidence of this, I wonder? (And would anyone actually care if there was, since this is clearly a fictional narrative to somehow excuse his poor showing?)
On the one hand, affairs are a whatever factor, and the only woman we should really take The Clintons to task over is Juanita Broaddrick because it was non-consensual. On the other, Hillary was a nasty bitch about each of those women and dragged them through the mud from a power position.
(Before anybody says, "b..b...but Trump," I'm not saying he's any better. He's far nastier than she is and has his own pending rape case with an underage girl. That's just where we are in American politics right now.)
(Also, I've already heard that a vote for Stein or Johnson is a proxy vote for Trump, and that these are our two choices. Can we spare that lecture? It's so old and tired now.)
A vote for Stein or Johnson is a proxy vote for Trump, these are our two choices.
If it's "so old and tired now", why are you bringing it up?
I find it hard to believe that if an ordinary letter writer submitted this issue to Dan: "my husband is cheating on me and worse, pushing himself onto women despite their lack of interest, aided by State Troopers, slamming their reputations when caught..." - would he give this advice? I think not. I think we would get a lecture about standing up for for feminist principles.
No, Dan, you can't distract me from the utter hypocrisy of Hillary Clinton campaigning on feminist issues, like this here - a page where she is quoted as saying to sexual assault survivors: "Don't let anyone silence your voice":
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/ca…
You must think we are as stupid as most Democratic operatives think we are.
The truth here Donald is, I don't give a flying fuck anymore what that sad excuse for a husband is up to. We have beautiful grandkid(s?) together, have our family time with our daughter and her family, and that's great.
Now, let's talk about global warming Donald. Let's cut with the bullshit and get real about how you, if you become the POTUS, are going to deal with this very serious and pressing problem.
Trump calling the Clintons out on adultery?
Funny.
Almost as funny as a 12 year old rape victim...
Except that it wasn't "inevitable" until you felt compelled to bring it up - 32 comments into the thread...
she didn't. deal.
the senate saved his ass, and her support helped end another sordid Republican-overreach episode that makes Europeans shake their heads and wonder what the fuck is up with America, anyway?
Depends on what the meaning of 'is' is. Nice emphasis.
Well, you remember how meekly he acquiesced when that pastor interrupted him and then how he bashed her the next day when he didn't have to face her.
But is there....
I think Dan is lonely, and he's using these pro-Hillary articles as a way to connect with people. Obviously, he already connects with people via his column and podcast and more, but maybe that's not enough.
But had Clinton shown even the most rudimentary self-control during his presidency he and Gore have accomplished more and gone on to campaign together, brag about their successes, the future, yada, and Gore would have no doubt easilyy beaten W in what turned out to be the closest presidential election in history. Instead, Bill's creepy and egregious behavior ended up giving us Bush, and worldwide ramifications that go far beyond any pain it caused their marriage. That said, I like and support Hillary. Can't stand Bill.
This response is well crafted and puts Donald in his place. AND it is something even junior Hillary staffers have come up with. They talked strategy on how to deal with the Bill factor, and all of the facets therein, before she considered announcing.
No. She hasn't really responded, but he hasn't really brought it up in a way for her to. He mumbles it at her, uses his family, or screams it. Responses to mumbling and screaming got the PERFECT strategic responses. Silence and a "can you believe this guy?" breaking of the fourth wall. His family can say what they want, her family has long since dealt with the issue and on this issue, I guarantee she's prepared far beyond this unsolicited statement.
Women stay with shitty partners all the time for their own reasons and often blame themselves or others for their husbands behavior. DV advocates deal with it all day. People do not often cope with personal tragedy gracefully or feel they have options other than to stand their ground and deny it and pretend everything is normal.
I don't like how HRC handled it either, but I can't say with confidence that if someone accused my partner or family of harassment or rape that I wouldn't leap to their defense. I know my family and while someone may cheat, but they couldn't possibly be a rapist!
As my DV advocate friends used to say; Try to walk in her shoes
(not saying to excuse it, just to be careful of judging her reaction to her husband's behavior)
He will be an advisor. He may have a formal role, but it will be a minor one. He won't be in line for the presidency (unlike every cabinet secretary). From a formal perspective, he will have very little power (I doubt he will try and get anything that requires confirmation). From an informal perspective, he will have tremendous power, just like all spouse's of the president. The fact remains, though, that it is Hillary that will make the decisions and set the agenda.
Well, you could say the same about any of our dynastic political families (The Adamses, The Kennedys, the Roosevelts, the Bushes, etc...) Yet I've only ever seen this line used to discredit HRC's accomplishments. It comes across as sexist.
That must be some mighty fine weed your tokin'
Hillary has zero, no, make that negative, political skills.
The one only elected office she has ever won was as a well financed insider carpetbagger.
She is touted by the Feminist Left as The Most Qualified Candidate Eva!
which is a warm heaping pile of steaming deluded bullshit.
She botched healthcare when she had her shot,
was a mediocre Senator
and a disaster as Sec of State.
She has no common touch,
no feel for public mood or sentiment,
and is a clumsy harsh campaigner.
She struggled to put away a kooky old socialist
and is now struggling to put away The Most UNQualified Candidate EVA!
If Hillary had not hitched her star to Bill NoOne would know who she was today.
She totally recognizes that, even if you do not;
as evidenced by the fact that she was willing to endure the most public repeated humiliation any woman in the history of American Political History has EVER endured.
So reload that bong and inhale deeply,
because you really don't want to confront reality sober…..
I don't think you can call it a "fact" that she would have been President already had the country been ready to elect a woman to the office, though. She'd have been among those considered highly qualified or capable, but it would not have surprised me at all if one of her female contemporaries who happened to have better candidate skills (and there were several, at least) would have defeated her in a primary or general election. Or perhaps we'd have had a President Tsongas or Kerrey. Simply plugging in "ready for a woman" doesn't mean that the smartest or most competent woman would necessarily be the winning woman.
1 Have you ever committed adultery?
2 Have you ever had sex with a woman?
3 Is your's a DADT open marriage
where adultery is tolerated as long as it doesn't become embarrassingly public?
4 Why did you stay married to a sexual predator
and why did you maliciously attack his women victims?
perhaps Mr Savage can craft some clever replies, just in case...
Enquiring minds want to know...
I'm *not* saying that's an accurate description of what happened, but I think that's how Trump would spin it.
It's not so easy to respond to that. You could perhaps go with "Would you like to talk about what Jill Hearth said about you in her deposition, Donald? Or about what Ivana said in the deposition for your divorce case?" (Both Jill and Ivana stated that Trump had raped them). But it's still dangerous ground.
oh, and we forgot;
she is a compulsive liar,
but not very good at it.
the correct answer is "my marriage is none of your fucking business".
And why is this even a topic between the contenders for POTUS. Hello. wtf are either of them planning to do about Black people being murdered by Police, about global warming.
Syria. A tragedy, an immense one, is happening right the hell now. And these two are gonna talk about each other's marriages?
Your intentions are good, but you didn't proofread this post with care.