Savage Love Jun 14, 2017 at 4:00 am

Virgin Territory

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@78 sb53: Sorry it has taken me a while to get back to you. Thank you for sharing your story and emailing.
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@78 sb53: I responded to your email. Thanks so much and have a great weekend!
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No @95: As a bisexual, I do not relish the thought of oral sex during my own period or anyone else's.
Period blood happens as frequently as semen only if there is something terribly wrong with you. And does not interfere with giving a woman an orgasm -- through a variety of other means that do not involve sticking your face in it.
Period blood would be present through the entire process of cunnilingus, whereas semen is present only in the final moment of fellatio.
Personally, during my heavier-flow days, I feel so completely unsexy that it's never been an issue. Except for the occasional male partner who's asked to do it to me. To which I reply, thanks but no thanks, get back to me in a couple of days.
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And uh... I didn't see any "sex negative shamers" this week, nor any mention whatsoever of period cunnilingus...
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@100 No - The LW's obvious solution for her protein deprived boyfriend is to get in there and eat it herself before he gets a chance
Awesome, I was coming back on to suggest YUCK keep some towels for cleanup beside the bed or wherever else they have sex and get into cleaning him up. Yours is better. Between that and bringing it up in conversation, she might not even have to ask him to stop, a perceptive guy would probably stop anyway, or find a way to make her smile about it instead.

Virgin - I forgot to suggest slowing down when dating. Getting comfortable being turned on by making out, or rubbing genitals, for a few dates before going further. Also keeping your pants or at least underwear on unless you're hard, keeping the first naked session to rolling around together no penetration etc. Learn to kindly reject advances that are too fast for your penis right now. Also I think sex works the best when you're more focused on your partner's arousal than your own.

BDF - You're wrong. Vaginas are shedding blood for over 1/10 of the month. There is something terribly wrong with a person forcing semen out of their penis for 2.4/24 hours every day (or for over 3 days straight every month).

And if you like licking semen more than period blood, that doesn't prove period blood is more gross. Preferences are subjective not objective. They are not right or wrong, we are only responsible for our behavior. And even if we could agree that chunky is gross, some guys' semen can be thick and kinda chunky, and the last day or two of my period aren't chunky. Personally, I think semen is more gross than period blood. Except for the semen of a few guys. That stuff is pretty cool. I seem to orgasm a lot when it's around. I'd rather eat random semen than random period blood. But I'd rather handle random period blood than random semen. Just in case. I don't want a stranger's baby. And what we like is totally besides the point. I was being sarcastic, I don't think guilt tripping people into certain acts just because others like them is ok, I think caring about each other's preferences instead is the healthy route.

@106And uh... I didn't see any "sex negative shamers" this week
@32 But I don't think she has a valid concern, I think she is being very irrationally sex negative ... She really needs to work on why she finds semen so gross, I can't imagine a reason that isn't very sex negative.
Also Dan's advice was to get over it. It was ambiguous if he meant to just ask Mr YUCK to stop already, no big deal, or to ask Mr YUCK why he likes doing it and put up with it. I don't think "get over it" is very helpful advice when it comes to attractions or revulsions. Yes sometimes you must grin and bear it, to get something you want, or to survive, but that's not ideal. I think "own it" or "explore and accept your preferences just be responsible about expressing them" is much more helpful advice.

Please save your corrections for people who are objectively wrong or dangerous, otherwise it just looks like you are picking fights, we might as well just keep telling each other we don't like each other, very boring to onlookers, no new info.
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BDF - It's not that I don't like you, actually. I do like your comments a lot of the time, and think you're a generally decent person. I just don't like the way you treat me. Often critical and rarely kind. So I'm usually in a bad mood when I reply to you, and don't like when you address my posts.
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@105 - Thanks for the feedback! Do you find this is true of the women you've dated too? Rough otherwise, if you're not synced up that's half the month gone.

Quantity-wise, you'd need 9 average loads to reach the average amount of period blood, so amount wise we could get close, I don't know what average number of times/month het couples have sex but let's say 2/week? So that seems to match up even.

It doesn't interfere w/ giving a woman an orgasm for most but if the only reason for avoidance is the mess, both other usual methods are arguably far messier while oral cleans you up. If I could invent a bidet that did that I'd be rich.

Why the feeling unsexy? It's not the blood, right? Sex fixes the cramps, so that's motivation (opinion on utility of semen for cramps (not oral route) specifically?). Do you get PMDD?

I very much appreciate the gentlemen who offer. I hate scraping blood off my pubes.
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@107 " I'd rather eat random semen than random period blood."

I feel like whether or not it was cooked would make a difference here.
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I think it's also useful to add that some people have a visceral dislike of certain substances, like snot, vomit, etc. that has nothing to do w/ sex negativity and I'm not sure we can confidently say that the LW is sex negative if she's not fond of semen. (Many people are also afraid of blood and pass out at the sight of it. I've not dated a guy who was. Do they black out at period blood?). She just may personally dislike semen. Which I don't think is evident from her letter anyway. It's the act that's the issue. I think maybe she wants his attention on her at that point, not himself, wouldn't matter too much what he was doing specifically. Makes her feel incidental to the orgasm perhaps, like she's not important, he's just there for himself.
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@BiDanFan, re @101: I meant to be funny.
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No @109: Sadly, I cannot report that I have had the experience of being so seriously involved with a woman that our cycles were mutually affected. (I have had roommates who were thrilled to sync to me.) Happily, I can say that my periods -- even back when I was having them; I'm currently on a birth control pill that kills them completely, it's bliss -- lasted about two days, negating any possibility of "half the month gone" even if I had had a long-bleeding partner who refused all sexual activity during her period.

Which two methods are you referring to as "both"? I can think of several, including some which can be performed while a tampon is being worn: external fingering, external use of a vibrator (tampon ok, no mess); internal fingering/fisting, DIV (dildo in vagina). There's also anal sex if the woman is into that. Some vaginal stimulation may be possible while using a mooncup; I've never tried. And if a woman was only able to come from oral, a tampon or mooncup could allow that to happen without blood contact, too. Perhaps some day I'll get a chance to find out.

My "unsexy" early-period feelings came both from the grossness of the blood itself, but more from feeling bloated and cranky and just wanting to be left alone. But as mentioned, with such a short menstrual cycle I was generally feeling back to normal, with minimal mess, on day two, and happy to engage in any and all sex acts except for receiving oral. Also, I would generally experience spikes in libido just prior to my period, so by the time Day One arrived, any partner of mine was actually relieved to get a break ;)
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Philo @107 re @106: I read "sex negative shamers" as "shamers who are sex negative," rather than "shamers of sex negativity." Yes, there were commenters who shamed the LW for being sex negative.
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What does cooked semen taste like? Would it insult a guy if I asked for it?
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Griz @112: Sorry, I'm having trouble following the threads now that we're having the two-page, disappearing-comments issue. My posts from this morning are missing... *yay for technology*
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BiDanFan @116, re my comment @101 to your @91: I was joking about being haunted by my "pasts" (referring to the unintended typo; I meant posts). I'm glad the post-100 comments are making it onscreen. A humble yay for technology--wish me luck on my VA-approved online program starting next week.
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Oh, no! Where is my @117? Or is it too late to post this week's Savage Love: Virgin Territory?
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@NO

I've had this conversation with plenty of women who enjoy sex during their periods as well as with men who insist that sex during the partner's period is perfectly fine with them. And the conclusion I always come to is that some people honestly have no idea how terrible periods are for some of us. Some people have a pretty light and neat experience of it. Others- it's chunky, extremely painful, high volumes and comes along with a great dose of prostaglandins- cramps and diarrhea. FUN! SEXY! No, not at all. And no, orgasms do not help everyone with period cramps. Passing clots often happen in waves that feel like contractions of the uterus. An orgasm typically causes me to have vaginal contractions normally (which feels just fine) but on the period it makes my cramps worse. To me, having sex on my period is about as appealing as the idea of sex while I'm taking a shit or sex while I'm sick with the flu. In either case, no- just give me some pajamas and a glass of wine and leave me the hell alone.
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@119 Oh yes, I am familiar, I bleed like a stuck pig and wake up glued to the sheets by blood no matter what I do. It gets far more graphic than chunks, and I am familiar w the pain (supposedly I have some mild endo). Those waves are contractions of the uterus, as are orgasms, which is why preemptively emptying your uterus before it gets angry via orgasm is a help (contractions are stimmed by downward internal pressure on mechanoreceptors in the cervix, same as for birth). Tampons make cramps worse bc when saturated at top they prevent the uterus from expelling blood so you get cramps as it gets backed up. Insert a cup badly, pinch off your cervix and the same thing will happen, if you wanna prove it to yourself. Free bleeding, big ole cup (maybe those big flat ones they sell, disposable), or kinda kegeling it out helpful if you find making yourself orgasm to relieve the cramps unhelpful. Re sexiness, sure your guts go runny but it's never slowed me down. W a partner not only do you get the orgasms wo any effort on your part (I get crushing fatigue w it), but also you get arousal related natural painkiller/endorphin release, super useful. Maybe the problem is that you use tampons or something for period sex? Maybe free bleed and maybe no on cock will fix the increased cramps? Bf gets a tad resentful he's regarded as purely medicinal at times but dammit ibuprofen does not cut it, even if you take 3 (or 6, not kosher but goddamn). And once you feel better the actual sex drive kicks in.
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@113 Two days is incredible. Mines about half the month, mostly spotting, otherwise enough to paint a studio apartment a nice shade of pink.
"Both" was just hands and dick/dick-like apparati. Anal's optimistic as your guts are in less than ideal shape for most I think. Both messier then tongue as they spread/add mess, do not clean. Youd still have to plug and semi-douche for oral, no? A cup or a tampon does not a blood free vag make. Even w active measures against flood it's unpredictable. god help you during allergy season. But I've not tried those flat instead cups for sex, or sex tampons, so maybe that's the way. Periods are optional for most women, I just can't tolerate hormonal bc sadly. It's odd they don't start you off on constant bc wo periods from the start, should be default.
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@115 only one way to find out, and I doubt it.
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@119 I wonder if the wine which helps temporarily reduce your cramps by acting as a muscle relaxant is actually making them worse because your uterus isn't emptying itself on schedule due to the artificial relaxation.
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@113 I get the libido spike during, which is prob the diff. Prob due to diff btwn us in length of bleed. Second half of cycle (luteal body decay) like clockwork, it's the time to ovulation that varies the cycle length.
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Philo @108: I don't dislike you either, I just find many of your comments don't make any sense whatsoever to me. Regardless, as per your preference, I refrain from replying unless someone else, in this case No, goes there first, creating a multi-way discussion rather than what would otherwise be an argument. My "that makes no sense" comments obviously come across to you as "critical" and "unkind," and then you respond in kind, and that's a dynamic we don't seem to be able to break out of. So I continue to save my comments for people who've replied to yours, rather than directly replying to yours. (Except for the "sex negative shamers" misreading, which, prior to your clarification, made no sense.)
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To be fair to YUCK, I'd probably be at least thrown off if a partner did that. I mean, I'd get over it fairly quickly, I think... But anytime anyone claims to actually like the taste I look at them like they have three heads.

More power to anyone that actually DOES like the taste, that's wonderful. But while I'm willing to take one for the team occasionally, I wouldn't cry over never having that experience again.
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@no @121:
> Periods are optional for most women

Just want to jump in with my periodic public service announcement that for a nontrivial subset of women, hormonal birth control has a negative effect on libido--something doctors don't always mention when they prescribe it (*insert all sorts of theories about how society doesn't think women's desire matters*). Of course the pill and its derivatives have lots of upsides, but in terms of the current discussion, there's not much point to switching to a situation where you have no period if you won't want to have sex then anyway...
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@84 you are a goddamn role model. I have heart to give it a try again just hearing that you've succeeded. It's hard to break addiction to screens but shining bright largely blue light into your retinas for a good portion of the day and night is probably affecting more of us than we think. Thanks for the inspiration!
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@127 100% accurate, although it's nice to have
the option, hormone type/combo/release location matters (and apparently iuds and nuvaring though lower dose tend to be worse for this, go figure), but it's nice to know for those of us who cannot use hormonal bc there's at least one advantage.
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@127 I'd like to add to your excellent comment that although there's probably no solid reason docs don't default to constant no period bc, you're right for a just starting out teenager it's probably a good idea to figure out what normal sex drive feels like prior to hormonal bc rather than bc all periods away from age 12 or whenever they start. Unless they're awful of course. Ditto antidepressants re sex drive, which probably gets underprioritized for girls by society/Drs/themselves and shouldn't be.
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@126 some guys taste good. Ok, one guy. I mean, it's def semen, but good semen. Still an acquired taste, like beer or dark roast coffee or half the stuff Andrew zimmern eats. We should ask him, he'd give a good objective opinion and he'd def eat it if it wasn't human.
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@113 advise against vag penetration of any kind w a cup (unless it's the flat instead cups which are designed for it) unless you've got a good pair of tongs and a close friend w steady hands and long fingers.
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@126 I think there's also an argument to be made that bf could still be considered self absorbed if he is eating his own cum bc it's just the best tasting thing in the room. I mean, if it's that good, at least offer to share w the lady, no?
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Ok, hypothetical: How would you react if your bf, first time you messed around, held out his own cum (critical - not yours, his) to you and said "seriously, this is so goddamn delicious, you've got to try it, saved some for you."?
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@120 My periods are far too heavy for tampons. And no, I'm telling you that orgasms when I'm on my period are painful. I've been having orgasms most of my life, I've had plenty on my period, and they are painful. They make the pain worse. I don't know why. I think it is because of the contractions and the clots as I said. Also you've dismissed the ick factor. I don't find clotty heavy blood sexy, nor diarrhea and loose bowels, nor extremely painful contractions. When you add all three of these together, no I don't feel like having sex. In fact, sex seems gross. I don't know why there are always people who want to convince those of us who firmly no-sex-on-period otherwise. Wine does not reduce my cramps. It makes me happy which makes my cramps piss me off less. And I'm sorry that you are experiencing such long periods. Mine are blessedly short (I spot and bleed for a LONG time, but the intense pain and messiness I'm talking about here lasts 2 days, maybe 3, per month and it's changing with menopause so that they are more intense but shorter).
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Magicsword - also if any help cock size is by far the least important thing re quality of sex, most guys underestimate their size (average is 5" +-1", from the pubic bone (cartilage? Too lazy to look up.), plus many report benefit of belly on a man, clit stim wise. a gorilla manages with 1" and always seems to do well with the gorilla ladies, so you're gonna be ok. Porn is lies and shot for men's pleasure, dudes like to see big cock (listen to, don't watch, porn of women w giant dicked guys and you'll hear they're not even porn girls', prescreened to be able to even take giant dicks, idea of fun). Women are not such size queens as guys are. Shorter cock = more clit stim to me, do not understand how that's a fault, our genitals are far more sensitive externally than internally). How many in person hard cocks have you seen? Right. So I'm guessing your frame of reference is screwed up. Look, no woman would have hired Ron Jeremy to do porn. We just don't care about giant cock. Guys who care about our pleasure however it is we get it and who make us feel cared about and physically safe? Hell yes. Always need more of them.
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@128 cont - for anyone who wonders why the blue light matters it's cause our eyes are a bunch of different old evolved eyes just smashed on top the other, so your ancient scallop/lumpy sea denizen eyes (technical term) which don't actually contribute anything to what we would call sight dictate your circadian rhythm. Apparently we are still waiting for hardware upgrades on that but until our robot overlords redesign us blue light only really ok in early am (for the super sensitive) and def not after dusk. Be grateful - birds and frogs have them on the top of their heads under their translucent skulls (your skull also translucent, enjoy that thought) and flies have them all over their body meaning they can't even decapitate themselves to get a good night's sleep if there's a Kindle nearby.
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@no and @EmmaLiz: Upon my reading of your comment thread, you both have my deepest sympathy regarding your heavy, painful periods. I hope everything gets better. I can empathize: A uterine ablation, combined with increased progesterone and weight loss (I mean for ME, here because I was borderline obese in 2013, and had to change my eating habits ASAP or I'd become a chronic diabetic. I'm not saying or implying that either of you has a weight problem) blessedly put an end to my hemorrhaging, excruciating pain, and 37 years of unnecessary suffering.
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@Griz my doc has been trying to get me to have the ablation procedure for a long time now. I want a partial hysterectomy. We've been back and forth on it for a long time, but the truth is I'm a little scared of both. Hormones are terrible for me and I've never taken them for long (tried different things off and on over the years), so when menopause started and I just decided I've spent most of my life getting through this so whatever I'll just continue. I don't think this is the wisest or the most rational choice, but here's where I ended up! Luckily it's really only the first couple days each month that are intense- the rest are just annoying. As for your diabetes, glad to hear you have changed habits. It's an extremely hard thing to do. I don't struggle with weight, but I do struggle with other bad habits, and finding the will power to make major changes in your life is really impressive. Glad to hear the ablation worked for you too.
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EmmaLiz @135: It's interesting to hear your perspective. As a younger person I always thought not wanting to have sex on your period was some kinda shame thing, but in retrospect I was projecting my own period experiences (light flow, minor cramps) onto others and then extrapolating. I'm sorry to hear your periods are so awful. Sounds like a serious drag.
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BDF - Aw. I didn't realize what you were doing, and that you were trying to be considerate. Now that I do, I appreciate it thanks. And maybe we can address each other happily if we throw in a compliment. You can say "Philo you're losing us again baby, this part [about period blood] makes no sense to me" and I can say "So nice to read your pretty prose again BDF.. It's probably more clear to say [period blood is a genital fluid too, we don't shame people for shying away from period blood, so we should equally accept this woman's apparent boundaries with semen]. Does that help?" And fluffy clouds and harps and happiness and sunlight result.

I was also shocked that no one brought up why semen is so (reasonably) scary to people with wombs though. Maybe Dan wouldn't get it but there are lots of commenters who can get pregnant. And it's also pretty reasonable to hold back from fluid play until you feel safe about diseases too, and that takes some time. Semen has some big differences to sugar water or other truly harmless fluids.. making fun of people's preferences is crappy to begin with but justifying it with "semen is harmless and semen play is standard" was gross to read. I could say the same thing about period blood, but I don't lower myself to pressuring guys like that to get period sex.

I will try cooked semen this year. And report back.
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BDF - Aw. I didn't realize what you were doing, and that you were trying to be considerate. Now that I do, I appreciate it thanks. And maybe we can address each other happily if we throw in a compliment. You can say "Philo you're losing us again baby, this part [about period blood] makes no sense to me" and I can say "So nice to read your pretty prose again BDF.. It's probably more clear to say [period blood is a genital fluid too, we don't shame people for shying away from period blood, so we should equally accept this woman's apparent boundaries with semen]. Does that help?" And fluffy clouds and harps and happiness and sunlight result.

I was also shocked that no one brought up why semen is so (reasonably) scary to people with wombs though. Maybe Dan wouldn't get it but there are lots of commenters who can get pregnant. And it's also pretty reasonable to hold back from fluid play until you feel safe about diseases too, and that takes some time. Semen has some big differences to sugar water or other truly harmless fluids.. making fun of people's preferences is crappy to begin with but justifying it with "semen is harmless and semen play is standard" was gross to read. I could say the same thing about period blood, but I don't lower myself to pressuring guys like that to get period sex.

I will try cooked semen this year. And report back.
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I am now feeling warm-fuzzies about the improved Philo-BDF relationship. You two give me some hope for the internet.
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@135 you get screened for endometriosis?

Ablation works if you've got it interuterine, as do routine d+C's, mines intrauterine eg inside the uterine wall muscle not inside or outside of the uterus so it's cut the whole thing out or wait for menopause, and mine isn't that bad. Most people have more options. The blood is a total non issue compared to the pain, but luckily emptying the uterus resolves cramps for me, I'm sorry it doesn't for you, but the fact that it doesn't for you does seem indicative of a different problem. Endo is super common, most people w it don't know they've got it. They can diagnose by symptoms, ultrasound, saline injected ultrasound (make them give you super ibuprofen for use in advance although you are probably used to that level of pain, and honestly it wasn't that bad, that's what a full blocked up uterus feels like, usually if they test you midcycle you wouldn't have extra pain from the Endo then) or lapro, which is what I did but is surgical so you may not need to/wish to.
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@138 thanks griz, but it's half what it used to be, I don't mind the bleeding at all, and if I were going to treat it I'd get the thing yanked out. I've got fibroids too (25%+ of women do, could be pain source as well), so they wouldn't be able to do a complete clean out anyway. Its not that unusual to bleed heavily and since I've got a reliable way to deal w 90% of the pain it's not a big deal. I appreciate getting that info out there though, women tend to put up w a lot before exploring medical options when really we should all be screened for this stuff every time we go in for a pap. As a patient you have no context - you should not be puking in pain for example. You should not be crawling around or lying on the floor in pain. You should not have to ingest muscle relaxants, liquid or otherwise, for mere cramps. It's not like it's that hard, a ten question checklist would cover a lot if territory.
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@142, thanks for the planned culinary experiment and offer to report. If you need guidance, that first link I posted earlier might be of assistance.
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Magicsword - looked it up again and only 5% of guys have dicks over 6" in studies where Drs did the measuring (you'd have to go through 20 cocks to find one). In studies where guys self report their size they exaggerate 1-2" higher on average, although in those Dr measuring studies they underestimated their own size. Over half of men think they need to be bigger, more than that percentage arent happy w their dicks. So your feelings are normal, it doesn't matter what size you are our culture still makes sure you have a complex about it regardless, and from a female pleasure point of view it's pretty irrelevant - most women don't come off cock anyway. There are some who like big cocks, this is less than 10% of women, and they, unusually, typically self report initial masturbatory method was penetration (you gotta assume there's a religious/cultural education factor there for most bc this is the least successful way to get off overall, plus, intimidating), indicating to me anyway that they likely did not continuously masturbate from childhood (like boys do). Basically it's kinda like death grip syndrome and rough cause they're chasing that 5% of guys w 6"+ cocks. This can be retrained of course, but is also fine if they're fine w it. You are unlikely to run into a size queen, is what I'm saying, and if you do and she's worth the trouble you can arm up, so to speak. Also important to note in these studies women are retroactively guessing the size of the guys they were with, haven't measured, might be trusting the guys statement (1-2" exaggeration to a medical researcher, prob more to a date I'm guessing?), and a ruler on a table does not look like a cock in a guy, so who really knows. Plus there's always the random likelihood that the guy they were with who was the best just happened to be best in bed and happened to have a big cock but it wasn't the big cock that was magic, it was the dude. So take everything you hear on those lines w a giant grain of salt. Most is bs. Plus, and you may not know, but any cock inside you feels HUGE, like you know how big your teeth feel in your mouth when you run your tongue along them but actually they aren't massive fangs? Like that.
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@142 I like that fear. Gay guys have reason to fear too I'd guess. But maybe bc that fear is scarier it's more necc to mentally crush it, whereas you can play w fear of pregnancy (well, probably until you accidentally do get pregnant). See: Elliott from Scrubs and the dolphin trainer. Either way, eating semen is the least scary end for it, if pregnancy is your fear. If guys got down there and removed as much as they could after putting it in you, that would be less scary, right?
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Magicsword - and the average vagina is only 2.5" deep!
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@135 it's prob cause for overwhelming majority getting the blood out of the uterus fixes the cramps and culturally imposed ick factor perception causes many women to avoid using it, which is a shame cause otc pain meds don't work. Fighting womens bad feelings about their bodies is worthwhile, that you say it icks you out makes others encourage you to try to do a thing that will de-ick it in your mind. If you weren't icked out they'd take much more likely take your word for it on the orgasms, it's the combo that's the main problem, followed by rarity of your lack of improvement. They're saying - get a massage its the only thing that helps sore muscles and you're saying massage makes me worse plus it's an icky thing to do. You can see why they say to you "it's not icky, trying it will help you get over that and then the massage will work", while you hear "no one listens to me, everyone I talk to about this is a jerk". The next question might be - percentage wise, how many women have you met who are not grossed out but who have pain w orgasms on the rag? I've never met any personally who did not benefit (who had pain wo other medical issues, plenty who were grossed out and wouldnt do it even though it did work for them - if it's unimaginable to you why someone would have a fix and not use it you might have something else going on) which is probably why every time you bring this up it gets questioned.
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@139 short version - saying orgasm fixes cramps is as controversial as saying having the baby fixes labor. It's the same biological mechanism. You and the women who always argue w you about this are having two separate convos. They are saying here is fix, you are saying no one listens. If I were you I'd say whatever your gyno said when you told them about it not working for you and attribute the gyno, then no argument.
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@140 that's bc it's often a shame thing. Since I bleed half the time I had to get over it early, but I would have been more reluctant for longer if it was shorter, and I do know grown women who are too icked out still, who want sex but won't cause not ladylike. It's silly. If guys bled they'd worry about not covering you in enough blood.
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@152 @no: If guys bled they'd worry about not covering you in enough blood.



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