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@101, Fan. Right, so you're happy to starve to death with all the other old people because humanity is such a scourge. BullShit.
Let's tell the truth here, deciding to not have children has little to do with saving the planet and more to do with not wanting to do the work children put one thru.

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Yes the planet is heaving with humans, and food and water will be big problems in the coming decades. But killing everyone off? How uncreative is that.
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Rather than a virus that kills humans, I'd fund a kickstarter campaign that simply rendered our species impotent. No painful deaths, just an end. The universe is over 13 billion years old. Earth is over 4.5 billion years old. As far as we can tell, our first human ancestors have been around 5 million years or more. It took us that long to evolve into the greedy, global, fossil-fuel guzzling, habitat-destroying, ideologically-blinded zealots and behemoths we are today. In the short time since the industrial revolution, we have nearly managed to irrevocably destroy our planet. Scientists estimate that our sun will burn out and end life as we know it in another 5 billion years. A show of hands if you think humankind will get its act together in time to come to its senses and last another 1,000 years - much less 5 billion. I don't believe in god. My "spirituality", such as it is, is rooted in my sense (it's hard to articulate clearly) that Earth is almost a singular life-form of which humans are just one part. In my view, humans ARE the planet-killing virus some of you so vehemently object to...
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Can I just add that as someone who is currently looking after my mother as she dies of cancer, that expecting your children to look after you in your old age is a really fucking shitty burden to put on their shoulders? I have no kids. Who's going to look after me? Fucking paid professionals, that's who. People who have chosen healthcare as their path in life and actually know what it entails and know what to expect.

Would I push that button, release that virus? If it meant a quick and painless death for me and mine? After dealing with this shit for over a decade and suddenly seeing her deteriorate so quickly? Yeah, I'd do it. I just want it to be over.
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Lava @103: I wouldn't starve to death. I'd take an overdose. Much quicker and potentially even enjoyable. And guess what? All of the old people are going to die at some point anyway. Whether one has kids does nothing to change that. "I'm happy to die when my time comes" is definitely not bullshit, sorry. And I had many reasons for not having kids. (Well, I admit that I never saw any reason to have kids.) Two of these reasons were overpopulation and, not just subjecting the world to more unnecessary humans, but subjecting future people I'd care about to this shitty world? How cruel to them.
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Ciods, I'm sorry, I don't know why you're surprised that people feel angry or threatened when you say you want all of us gone.

To everyone who dreams of humanity's destruction... When your own health and happiness are suffering unbearably, thinking of caring for the health and happiness of other (people) can be incomprehensible. I guess it's much easier to dream of destruction.

Needs are all weaknesses really. But I'd still rather to have loved and lost than not to have loved at all.

I wish you all the fortitude to examine and fulfill your needs. Fuck the distractions :)
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I wish humanity could get to a much smaller population without having to kill people off. That's not how it will happen, though. I wish the animals and oceans and forests could live and grow and evolve without the threat of destruction by us--regardless of the other very many ways they could/will be/have been destroyed. If my death would make the world smaller (without others' death, I dunno how, let's say magic) and richer in varied life, I'd die happily right this minute. But the real point here is the sadness that comes when one's love for humanity--as a whole, leaving out one's personal loves--is sunk by disgust and dismay. I don't think any of us on this comment thread has any intention of acting on such feelings. I certainly can wish humanity gone one moment and be horrified and uncomprehending about a mass shooter the next. Yes, words are real and have power, and one needs to frame them properly. But the loss of nature is a terrible grief.
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"But the real point here is the sadness that comes when one's love for humanity--as a whole, leaving out one's personal loves--is sunk by disgust and dismay."

Love it. Maybe you think you don't act on it but your beliefs and preferences are reflected in your actions. And the consequences suck for others. And yet the only way to fix it is to find interests that you want to grow.. environmental activism would be a great one here.. instead of focusing on destruction and blame. Finding and growing interests is not simple work. (I'm speaking as someone who experienced very serious depression and has serious fears of depression).

Personally, I don't even think that the argument that the rest of nature is great so humans should be gone even makes sense. Ice ages don't kill nature. The sun will kill nature if it doesn't get hit by too many meteors and spin off. I don't think a nuclear winter would even kill off roaches.

And the last time I checked a decade ago, internal population of America was still decreasing. Overall increase from immigration. The focus on human death here was no good for anyone IMO. It is very sad that there are so many mass murderers and only one Elon Musk.
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And if sanguisuga checks back.. My dad has been going through this for many years with my stepmom. Please please find other people and services to help. Please keep other people, especially your own amazing precious self, in your heart. It sucks you can't save your mom, you are only human with so much time and energy and you need to spend most of that on yourself to live. And I hope you are able to mourn any cognitive decline.. That can be so painful to see..

I don't have some easy life. Someone appeared to be trying to kill me a few weeks ago. Just caused lots of property damage and a little health damage though. Some people can be really dangerous to others with their thoughtlessness.
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Philophile: your words and thoughts suck for me. So it goes.
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Kirven- do you dislike realism? Or well wishing? Think that's adaptive?

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