Savage Love Sep 21, 2021 at 9:37 pm

Power Tripping

JOE NEWTON

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@200 curious2: WA-HOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! Congratulations on scoring this week's Double Hunsky honors! Savor the vast riches and bask in your newfound glory. :)

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griz@209
I forget: was I ineliggible for the Double Hunsky because I landed on the Double Whammy (@169)?

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@173. Bi. My beliefs have actually been consistent throughout. I haven't known to what extent ALPHA is corresponding consensually, with at least partial understanding of the tease on both sides, with these guys he doesn't go through with meeting.

If the messaging has been marked by vindictive superiority, on one side, and innocence or naivety, on the other, I have to ask how the guest expert Alexander Cleves got a quite different impression.

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@191. seventieslilo. I like both Spock and McCoy, but hope I am Spock, in that I feel more of an affinity with him. I think what happened is that curious (who has slogblocked my comments) read in Nocute's remark that I was speaking up for ALPHA, saying what he was doing was acceptable, and, without reading, formed the wrong impression of my point (which was that consent might perhaps reasonably be inferred). Really, if fubar is not going to build James a Savage Love search engine that (blessedly, one might think) skates over the comments, he could upgrade the slogblocker to erase every mention of a proscribed commenter's name in every comment, for instance by replacing it with a random innocuous name.

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I may be alone in liking this column, and esp. the answer. The sense I have of what has happened to Dan Savage's broad ideas is that they have 'won', have gone mainstream, with the consequence that they have become both generalised and moralised beyond any point, arguably, that they were intended to reach. In order to feel an affinity with Savage's dicta now it's no longer necessary to be a deviant (usually meaning gay) or part of any subculture. The essential ideas have been boiled down to sub-Christian maxims about reciprocity, consent, willingness to communicate and doing as you would be done by. The effect is that 2021-'woke' SL is now the resort of straight moralists who often, as this week, in detecting some violation of their most general principles, end up expressing distaste for the practices of a queer subculture. The reason I like the answer given by Dan and Cheves is (more than its being necessarily right) that it bucks the assumption of his all-purpose-moralist fanclub. It raises the possibility that one should stay one's habitual judgment when it applies to group practices with which one is unfamiliar. Anyway, if we're all advice-givers (and I guess we are) my advice to Dan is to carry on running more columns that challenge those of his readership who might be inclined to zealotry.

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I wandered back into this weeks commentary by accident, only to discover that I've been accused of snark. Clutches pearls... MOI? Never!

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