I am a 28-year-old cisgender sex-repulsed asexual gay man. While some asexuals choose to have sex for the pleasure it provides their partner, sex-repulsed asexuals like me do not engage in sexual activity and do not wish to be exposed to it. As a sex-repulsed asexual gay man, I feel alienated when I enter gay spaces like bars, parties, clubs. Gay allosexuals donât seem to be aware that hypersexualized spaces make asexual men like me feel unsafe and unwanted. We are forced to choose between being isolated or entering spaces where other gay men are kissing, grinding, or worse. Also, bartenders are often shirtless, there are go-go dancers, and even the posters on the walls feature sexually explicit imagery. When gay sex is foregrounded like this it makes gay men like me feel like we are not welcome in the gay community. And to answer the obvious question: I...
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I am a 28-year-old cisgender sex-repulsed asexual gay man. While some asexuals choose to have sex for the pleasure it provides their partner, sex-repulsed asexuals like me do not engage in sexual activity and do not wish to be exposed to it. As a sex-repulsed asexual gay man, I feel alienated when I enter gay spaces like bars, parties, clubs. Gay allosexuals donât seem to be aware that hypersexualized spaces make asexual men like me feel unsafe and unwanted. We are forced to choose between being isolated or entering spaces where other gay men are kissing, grinding, or worse. Also, bartenders are often shirtless, there are go-go dancers, and even the posters on the walls feature sexually explicit imagery. When gay sex is foregrounded like this it makes gay men like me feel like we are not welcome in the gay community. And to answer the obvious question: I go to gay bars for many of the same reasons allosexual gay men go to gay bars: to socialize and feel safe and to meet potential romantic (not sexual) partners. I also go because gay hookup apps are terrible for everyone, but theyâre especially terrible for asexual gay men.
I feel like there should be one night a week where gay bars are safe spaces for asexual gay men. It doesnât feel like asking people to remain clothed and refrain from groping each other one night a week is too much to ask if it makes a marginalized group within our own community feel welcome. I am curious what you think of my proposal and whether this is an idea that you would get behind.
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âIâm a 28-year-old gay man, just like GAGS, but Iâm not asexual,â said Jonathan, a regular commenter at Savage.Love who Iâve tapped to speak for all allosexual gay men everywhere. âIâm an enthusiastic gay bar, club, and partygoer. I went to Town in DC for the shirtless twinks and twunks and go to the Eagle in NYC for the hot leather guys in jockstraps. We go out because of the dancing, kissing, groping, grinding, hot bartenders, and go-go boys. We like it this way! If we wanted dubious drinks in a nonsexual environment, weâd go to Applebeeâs.â
Jonathan argues â and I, another allosexual gay man, happen to agree with him â that gay men clumped up in urban areas to create spaces where we could be ourselves. When the first gayborhoods began to appear (or began to enter public consciousness), those spaces were pretty much limited to bars (sexually charged) and bathhouses (extremely sexually charged). But as more gay men and other queer people came out and moved in, lots of other kinds of spaces in gayborhoods â less sexually charged spaces â became places where we could be ourselves, e.g., cafes, restaurants, bookstores, gyms, sidewalks, city halls, etc., etc., etc.
âGAGS should try gay sports leagues, gyms, meetup groups, book clubs, youth mentorship programs, supper clubs â all of those have the nonsexual vibe he wants,â Jonathan said. âAnd if there isnât a scene he likes where he lives, he should create one. My city didnât use to have a fisting club or an ABDL night but now, thanks to friends, it does. GAGS should focus on cultivating the environments he desires instead of asking other gay men to censor ourselves. We arenât interested in being demure. It also wouldnât be profitable for the venues.â
Kevin Kauer, who co-owns and curates Massive, a bar in Seattle for the whole LGBTQIA+ community, agreed with Jonathan on the unprofitable-for-venues point.
âI strive to create a space thatâs safe and welcoming for all,â Kauer said, âbut GAGS proposal sounds like is an unprofitable flip of the fun switch to off. While certainly fun for some, what he describes is just not the essence of a large queer nightclub. Maybe GAGS could try a house party?â
You may have a hard time filling a house party. While there are roughly forty million men in the United States between the ages of 21 and 40 â age-appropriate-ish potential romantic partners for a 28-year-old gay man â only two percent of those men are gay (800,000), only one percent of gay men are asexual (8000), and only a small percentage of asexuals are sex-repulsed asexuals (as opposed to sex-positive, sex-neutral, sex-negative. etc.). While youâre not limited to dating or partnering with other asexuals â because of course you arenât â youâre asking bars owners to set one night a week aside exclusively for sex-repulsed asexual guys and there arenât enough guys like you to fill a living room, GAGS, much less a club.
Okay, since I donât want to be accused of stacking the deck â or ganging up on you â by only quoting allosexuals, GAGS, I reached out to Cody Daigle-Orians, the author, educator, and asexuality advocate behind âAce Dad Advice,â a social media-based asexuality education project.
âThe gay male community can make ace men feel like shit,â said Daigle-Orians. âAce men meet a brick wall of invalidation, dismissal, and being rendered invisible in the gay male community. And thereâs absolutely room â and a real need â for allosexual gay men to catch up on the range of ways one can inhabit gayness, including gay ace men, and to be gentler, more supportive, and to build solidarity with men whose gayness looks different from theirs.â
So, what does Daigle-Orians think of your modest proposal: one night a week when the owners of gay bars order bartenders to keep their pants on, lock go-go boys in their beer coolers, and police patrons to make sure theyâre keeping their lips and hips to themselves?
âI canât agree with GAGSâ suggestion,â said Daigle-Orians. âGay bars have a long history, of which sex is a part. Theyâre sexually charged spaces and thatâs okay. The freedom to express your Big Gay Sexuality on the dance floor at the gay bar is one Iâm glad allo gay men have. Itâs something they should have.â
Just like Jonathan, GAGS, Daigle-Orians thought you might be looking for love â and community â in all the wrong places.
âThere are other ways to find gay social connection,â said Daigle-Orians. âThere are gay book clubs, bowling leagues, gaming groups, rugby leagues, softball. The choice isnât âgay bar or isolation,â as GAGS frames it, because âgay spacesâ arenât only bars, parties, or clubs. Just as there are multiples ways to be gay, there are multiple ways to socialize with those gays. So, I would encourage GAGS to broaden his ideas of where gay community can be found and built. Itâs more likely theyâll find the like-minded friends and possible romantic partners theyâre seeking in places other than the gay bar, anyway. Leave the backroom to the allos.â
P.S. Even though youâre unlikely to find a partner in a gay bar, GAGS, you and other asexuals who want romantic relationships shouldnât despair of ever finding a partner. Cody Daigle-Orians â who identifies as queer, ace, and agender â has three: his husband of ten years (met online), his other partner of three years (met online), and a platonic partner (his husbandâs other romantic partner). Iâm confident you can find the right guy or guys too, GAGS, but youâre not going to find them in a gay bar. (And âyou should put your shirt onâ is a terrible pickup line.)
P.P.S. Congrats to everyone out there who got the âhips or lipsâ reference.
P.P.P.S. & Update: I just realized that I didnât answer the question GAGS put to me: Is this idea â campaigning to pressure gay bars to host weekly âPants On/Hands Offâ nights â something I would get behind? And the answer is no. In fact, the very first thing I ever wrote for publication was a piece for my school newspaper defending gay men who were being publicly sexual â dancing shirtless, making out, grinding on the dance floor â in the one and only gay bar in our college town. A straight wannabe conservative columnist for the paper was so shocked by what she saw at the one-and-only gay bar in Champaign, Illinois, that she wrote a piece saying gay people didnât deserve civil rights if we couldnât behave ourselves⊠in gay bars. (The piece is in a file at home â Iâll post a PDF when Iâm back in Seattle.)
Follow Cody Daigle-Orians on Instagram @AceDadAdvice and learn more about his work and order his books â I Am Ace and Ace and Aro â at his website. Follow Kevin Kauer on Instagram @kk_nark. Follow Massive on Instagram @massive_club. Full disclosure: my husband â who can you follow on Instagram @disappearing_tm â hosts a monthly fetish night at Massive.
Iâm a 38-year-old gay male. I recently got back on dating apps, and Iâve been chatting with other gays online. Iâm not unattractive and I get a fair amount of hits when I post pictures. To my surprise, Iâve accidentally connected emotionally with a few guys who quickly expressed an interest in exploring something long-term with me. The problem is that I was diagnosed with terminal cancer years ago and not given long to live. Iâve made a miraculous recovery, but I still have cancer, and Iâm told itâs still terminal. I could pass in weeks, months, or after another couple of years. I havenât lied to any of the men Iâve been chatting with, but I havenât been entirely forthcoming with them either. Itâs day two of chatting with these guys and now Iâm in some situationships. I donât know what to do. I want to feel normal, but I donât want to string these guys along. Please advise.
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