"The Navy said it didn't come forward with this knowledge and save a ton of money and resources because the sounds 'weren't definitive.' Yeah, okay, I bet the Navy just didn't want to admit that it bugged the ocean."

yeah & sans Confirmation
they'd've Shit the Bed
Royally were sonar
mis-interpreted.

sad for the Peeps.

at least Rescue
got some Ex-
Pensive Prac-
ticing. whoa

btw
do we need a
maximum wage?

shouldn't we make 'em
Reinvest instead of
McMansioning
Submarining
& Interplan-
etary Voy-
ages?

3 peeps own More Wealth
than HALF our Citizenry
the Wealth keeps get-
ting Hoovered UP
whilst the Citizen-
ry insidiously &
Increasingly
Suffers.

is this Truly
The Natural Order?

RIP
explorers.
turns out James
Cameron was Correct. yet Again.

Technically we have underwater and underground sensors everywhere, part of national defense programs. Most of the sounds are really boring, like deer and bears, and drunk couples making out. It's like the balloon thing, you're really only listening for certain things.

@4: Adding to your correct comment, a search-and-rescue operation shouldn’t end until confirmation the persons are dead, such as wreckage found in the ocean.

Writers at the modem Stranger just so happen to hold callously cavalier attitudes towards the lives of humans they don’t care about.

That the Navy has listening devices throughout the worlds oceans isn’t exactly a secret.

Would you really want the search called off because the Navy MIGHT have heard something? And I think the fact that they did say they detected it yesterday kind of rules out the argument that they wanted to keep their sensors secret.

@27 -- Amazon's
got 'em in our
Bedrooms

their Employees
just Love a Listen!

sadly I have
No Proof

nor Time for a
30-second search:
I've an Appointment.

The Navy's use of acoustic sensors is not a secret. Your lack of basic knowledge doesn't make anything a secret. As for banging sounds, there are fish and marine mammals that make a lot of odd sounds. Water moving through underwater tunnels makes sounds. Sounds are distorted by distance, changes in water temperature and underwater topography. I don't expect much from the Stranger; you're meeting my expectations.

If you are the type of person who enjoys rolling the dice of life with your own safety beyond just regular adventure, I suppose you have that right if you aren’t endangering anyone or anything else in the act of achieving your thrills, but I pity your wife and/or family. If you are so wealthy that the world holds no other way for you to get your jollies other than shooting yourself into space in a rocket or plunging down into the Mariana Trench in a precarious mini-sub, I guess that’s fine, too. But if you climb Everest or even Mt. Baker and get stranded, if your experimental sailboat starts taking on water in the middle of the South Pacific, if your hydrogen rocket looses communication with its command center, and you require help from the taxpayer to save your self-involved, adventurous arse, we will provide it, but the US Navy, the US Coast Guard, the Canadian Air Force or whoever need to be compensated for their assistance in your failed heroics.

I would be all for requiring a multi-million dollar life insurance policy naming The Rescue Fund as the sole beneficiary before anyone is allowed to pull this kind of shit mostly, I believe, for his own sense of macho and privilege. I hope all the agencies involved in the costly week-long search and rescue of this avoidable tragedy go after OceanGate in court for compensation. I mean, the bastard who ran it fired people in the company who warned him the mini-sub was unsafe and ignored warnings from learned colleagues. Let’s recoup some of the many $250K per admission fees.

Yeah, I bet their office is closed today, but I also bet they have a table full of lawyers looking for ways to paint the company as a victim, and I also bet there are all kinds of bank transfers to the Caymans happening as you read this.

Sorry for the loss to the families though. What a terrible, senseless way to die.

Pleasant weekend, everyone.

Condolences and respect for the grieving families of the Titan victims notwithstanding, I can't help but think that it would be nice if the 700 migrants who also perished in the sea this week would have received even a 1/4 of the coverage. I guess rich people are just more important.

Billionaires might be above statutory laws, but at least the laws of physics still apply

SOSUS (or whatever it's called these days) is no secret. And the Navy tipped off the Coast Guard right away.

Nat, the fact that the Navy "bugs" the ocean has been public knowledge for well over half-a-century now. Google SOSUS...or heck, read "The Hunt for Red October" even!

Going on a specially curated danger holiday in the ocean depths is, much like Cocaine, the universe's way of telling you you have too much money and a jacked-up set of priorities.

Titan explored the Titanic wreck. What will explore the wreck of the Titan? The Tit?

@ 22 - Absolutely, D! The Big Silicone Tit. LOL...truly. Oh, and I forgot. Happy Pride, y'all. It's markedly different from back in the day, but I'm still happy we set aside a day, a weekend. Enjoy.

@20 cocaine isn't very expensive.

"You can feel sad and outraged about the migrant ship disaster, but it's simply human nature that pushes it and other tragedies 'below the fold' - nothing disrespectful."
--@dewey

Never Trust
Corporate Media:
corporations do NOT
Respect your Ass: you're Here
solely to be Farmed & Harvested

from today's Democracy Now:

As Media Spotlights Titanic Sub,
Hundreds of Migrants Who Died in
Greek Shipwreck Get Scant Coverage

As many as 700 migrants are feared to have died after an overloaded fishing vessel capsized last week off the coast of Greece. As search and rescue efforts continue with dwindling expectations, the Greek Coast Guard is facing backlash over its failure to help rescue passengers before the boat sank.

Most of the migrants were women and children; many were from Pakistan, Afghanistan, Egypt, Syria and Palestine. They are presumed victims of what may be one the deadliest migrant shipwrecks ever recorded, yet the story has received far less public attention than the search for five passengers aboard a submersible to view the wreck of the Titanic.

All five of those passengers were confirmed by the U.S. Coast Guard to have likely died Sunday, days before wall-to-wall media coverage began to speculate about their plight.

-- AMY GOODMAN

tonnes More at:
https://www.democracynow.org/2023/6/23/greece_migrant_shipwreck_media_coverage

tho they were Not
Billionaires their
Lives were
Valuable

to Them.

"Writers at the modem Stranger just so happen to hold callously cavalier attitudes towards the lives of humans they don’t care about." --@tentsy

yeah and
I've Noticed
some of their
Commentariat E-
qually Handicapped.

@26: Yes, some people here make statements about homelessness they cannot support. Maybe they need to stop doing that?

(Or have you finally found an example of “unbridled capitalists” making people homeless by refusing to take their rent monies anymore?)

having viewed Das Boot e-
nough times to become an Official
Maritime sub-Expert on Submersibles:
first the bolts start popping off like .50 caliber
bullets & when one hits the porthole (likely a re-
purposed Maytag frontloader door -- they're Built
to LAST) and the cracks spread across the glass and
the laser-like jets of water cut whatever's in their Way

the carbon fiber begins to squeal
under all the Enormous Compression
delaminates and suddenly it's Curtains

the Lawsuits'll be Massive
the calls for Oversight
Global. they're Not
gonna suffer any
more Hubristic
Fools gladly

it's too damn
Expensive.

now
about
that Lunar
Vacation you
signed up for...

@29 The denialism here with what appears to be fairly basic materials science reminds me of nothing so much as the COVID deniers and their ivermectin- with the same result.

@22 The end of this series is $1 million dIves into the sea on the back of Mr. T

to my little Troll:

yeah you're like the 'parent'
following their progeny around
attempting to micro-manage their
existence while not paying Attention to
their own Shortcomings which're Legion

Happy Solistice! and
Happy fucking PRIDE!

the damn Days're get-
ting Shorter! racing around
to come you behind you again

pedal steel rock'n Roll
pink floyd High Hopes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDKPz6KD8fs&ab_channel=PinkFloyd

@33: … have you finally found an example of “unbridled capitalists” making people homeless by refusing to take their rent monies anymore?

No?

What’s it like, to fail so miserably at a task you witlessly appointed to yourself?

'it'?
Fuck YOU
bazzy.

& in Other News

nyt; June 23, 2023. this just In:

Generals Accuse Mer-
cenary Leader of Attempted
Coup as Moscow Tightens Security

Russia’s main security agency moved
against Yevgeny Prigozhin, whose private
army has been critical to its war effort in Ukraine.

Mr. Prigozhin accused the Russian military
of attacking his forces and pledged
that his fighters would retaliate.

Russia sent armored vehicles into the streets of Moscow and a city near Ukraine. Russia’s main security agency urged Wagner mercenaries to detain their leader, Yevgeny Prigozhin, after he accused Russian forces of attacking them.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/06/23/world/russia-ukraine-news

Pooty's little War's
turnin' to Shite
let's Hope he
don't Panic
and go all
Nukular.

"What’s it like,
to fail so miserably
at a task you witlessly
appointed to yourself?"
--@tentsy

see: @34.

thnx tentsy!
that may be
my Favorite!

well
Done.

Headline: Coffee shop union full of beans, has no grounds for strike

@36
and if Pooty does go nucular,
it’s time to go to kristochurch NZ.
Real estate in the Southern hemisphere never looked so good!

@41
nukular winter'll be
coming to NZ too. best
Hope? put on a Suit cut
your hair & climb inna Koch
kave stealthily - they may not
Notice your Leftist tendencies

speaking of Pride
Fascism, Hating on
Progressives & Voting:

nyt:
This City Had Quietly
Celebrated Pride Before.
In 2023, That Was Not an Option.

After right-wing activists portrayed a Pride event in Franklin, Tenn., as a threat to children, the small city found itself at the center of a backlash.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/24/us/politics/franklin-tennessee-pride.html

the Fascists
ain't coming:
they're already
HERE. are Centrist
Dems Truly the LGBTQ's
Friends? will they work as
Hard as Progressives to keep
the Marginalized outta Prison?

might wanna
Ponder this
one fellah.

speaking of nukular summer:

@36 -- nyt update
[buzzy STILL asshole]:

Russia in Crisis as Mercenary
Revolt Threatens Putin

Kremlin
Mobilizes Forces
Against Group Leader,
Who Has Claimed Southern City

Vladimir Putin called the mercenary chief Yevgeny Prigozhin
a traitor and vowed to quell what he called
an armed rebellion.

Mr. Prigozhin claimed control of the
Russian city of Rostov-on-Don. The confrontation
was the most dramatic threat to Mr. Putin’s power in decades.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/06/24/world/russia-ukraine-news

shit hits fan:
Pooty frightened
or Emboldened? stay tuned
to Weekend Update right here on tS!

we're here till Meltdown
and/or Infinity & Beyond

okay
oh well
Nevermind:

"Russian Paramilitary Chief
Says His Forces Will
Turn Around"

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/06/24/world/russia-wagner-prigozhin-ukraine-news

let's see how
Pooty deals with a little
Insurrection from the best
General he's probably got.

I'm betting on
the Fascist.

@35: Ordinarily, I just ignore him, but sometimes, when he’s made the mistake of making a factual claim, I call him on it. His ratio of abilities to dish it out / take it is stupendously transfinite, even by the standards of our oft-banned prof’, and right here in this thread, you can see the hilarious explosion of bitter bile which results. Cheap fun every once in awhile, and never has he failed to deliver upon demand. Pavlov was an amateur. ;-)

yeah I don't Blame ya
for being butthurt tentsee but you
could NOT have Served up @34 ANY Better

hell I doubt even
dewey couldda
(no offense
dewey).

I think that may be my Favorite comment
thanks to your [insert clever/stunning/
stunting Mockery/ies here]
OODLES of Help.

& your Demands
for Proof of
my Opinions
is met with the
rigors they require:

.

.

see also:
Democracy NOW!
https://www.democracynow.org/

and the Thom Hartmann Program
also on: KODX fm 96.9 Seattle/online

if you've ever more of
you Incessant Demands.

don’t Make me
repost @37.

"... you can see
the hilarious
explosion
of bitter
bile... "

oh Yes!
it's litterly
Everwhere

and you're
Drenched
in it Now

how's
That for
bitter bile?

"... you can see
the hilarious
explosion
of bitter
bile... "

oh Yes!
it's litterly
Everwhere

and you're
Drenched
in it Now

how's
That for
bitter bile?

oooh!
double
Postings!

EXTRA Bile!

@13 (and redundantly @25): I like the idea there’a some requirement — or even a formula! — for exactly how much coverage should be allocated to every type of news story, and the tut-tutting at how this hasn’t been satisfied. This is all simply whataboutism, intentionally misrepresented as superior contextualizing. For example, why no demand for more coverage of automobile accidents in the United States, which, during a completely average week, kill about the same number of human beings as died aboard the Titan and ferry combined? Why is this average death toll, week in and week out, every year, in transport accidents, less worthy of media coverage than this week’s one-time extraordinary toll in transport deaths?

@42:

“the Fascists
ain't coming:
they're already
HERE. are Centrist
Dems Truly the LGBTQ's
Friends? will they work as
Hard as Progressives to keep
the Marginalized outta Prison?”

The linked story at the NYT says absolutely nothing about putting marginalized persons in prison. It describes how a Pride event happened without a hitch, after right-wing activists tried to disrupt it. The Mayor of Franklin made the tie-breaking vote to hold the Pride event, so liberal democracy worked just fine for the local LGBTQ community. (And this was Franklin’s third Pride event ever; the town was hardly San Francisco.)

It’s great to see Seattle Progressives so terrified of backlash against their failed policies, they’re now openly threatening persecution if their demands are not met. Should be that much easier to make November 2023 look exactly like November 2021 did. Thank you for this hopeful message!

Crisis Abates in Russia
but Questions Remain
Over Putin’s Authority

The Wagner group leader
halted his armed uprising and
agreed to go to Belarus in a deal
that absolved his fighters of repercussions.

The impact of Yevgeny Prigozhin’s
direct challenge to the Kremlin,
which went unpunished, could
have profound implications
for the fate of Ukraine.

more:
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/06/25/world/russia-wagner-prigozhin-news-ukraine

it could get right
Profound for
Pooty

here's where he Truly
Needs his trumpfster.

oh tentsy tentsy tentsy

“the Fascists
ain't coming:
they're already
HERE. are Centrist
Dems Truly the LGBTQ's
Friends? will they work as
Hard as Progressives to keep
the Marginalized outta Prison?”

the above certainly is no
"threat." but if you can twist it
Sufficiently you can Make it Seem
to be Whatever the fuck you Wish.

@54: What does the story that you linked have to say about the “Marginalized” and “Prison”? Absolutely nothing. The story ends with LBGTQ teenagers doing each others’ rainbow makeup and talking about life in their hometown. That’s hardly the actions of marginalized persons who fear prison.

“are Centrist
Dems Truly the LGBTQ's
Friends?”

Enough to ensure a peaceful Pride event on town property in the South, apparently. So again, what has the linked article to do with your blatant fear-mongering? Can you even read?

You’re screaming about persecution your own source shows isn’t happening, throwing shade on the very “Centrist Dems” who YOUR OWN LINKED ARTICLE shows defending LGBTQ rights. So yes, you’re fear-mongering about persecution, and you’re doing it because Progressive policies have all been failures, to the point Progressive politicians in Seattle are facing recall and defeat.

You have nothing positive to offer anyone, so you threaten citizens with “Prison” if they don’t vote the way you want. Like Progressive policies and politicians, you’re a failure nobody needs or wants. Yelling about your imaginary Fascist bogeymen merely distracts us liberals from advancing the causes of social justice. Why don’t you do something useful instead, like, say, learning to read the material you copy-paste here?

For about half the stories, the Seattle Times is yesterday's New York TImes today. Sometimes the Washington Post. Not certain the local writers are worth the $20/month for an electronic subscription.

"So again, what
has the linked article
to do with your blatant fear-
mongering? Can you even read?"

read this
asshole:

Worries
About L.G.B.T.Q.
Rights at Pride March

Support for L.G.B.T.Q. people has risen,
but so have attacks against them,
even in a city known for the
strength of its community.

Conservative-led boycotts against companies that once embraced Pride festivities, like Target and Anheuser Busch, have led to billions of dollars of corporate losses. The backlash has also entered the 2024 presidential race, as Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida has staked his Republican primary hopes on opposition to L.G.B.T.Q. rights and has clashed with corporations, like Disney, that support them.

Heritage of Pride, which organizes the march, recognized the worsening political climate in an open letter earlier this month that was co-signed with the organizers of dozens of other Pride events across the country. In it, they warned that the L.G.B.T.Q. community was “under threat” and criticized “fair weather friends” in corporate America.

“Despite the progress we have made together, we are currently under siege,” the organizers wrote. “An alarming rise in legal disruptions and targeted intimidation by extremist groups at these events, across the United States, is making our celebratory gatherings feel less safe. The threats are becoming tangible, terrifying and can no longer be ignored.”

By Liam Stack and Michael Wilson
June 25, 2023

more:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/25/nyregion/nyc-pride-march.html

you're in Denial
tentsy.
why?

"So again, what
has the linked article
to do with your blatant fear-
mongering? Can you even read?"

read this
asshole:

Worries
About L.G.B.T.Q.
Rights at Pride March

Support for L.G.B.T.Q. people has risen,
but so have attacks against them,
even in a city known for the
strength of its community.

Conservative-led boycotts against companies that once embraced Pride festivities, like Target and Anheuser Busch, have led to billions of dollars of corporate losses. The backlash has also entered the 2024 presidential race, as Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida has staked his Republican primary hopes on opposition to L.G.B.T.Q. rights and has clashed with corporations, like Disney, that support them.

Heritage of Pride, which organizes the march, recognized the worsening political climate in an open letter earlier this month that was co-signed with the organizers of dozens of other Pride events across the country. In it, they warned that the L.G.B.T.Q. community was “under threat” and criticized “fair weather friends” in corporate America.

“Despite the progress we have made together, we are currently under siege,” the organizers wrote. “An alarming rise in legal disruptions and targeted intimidation by extremist groups at these events, across the United States, is making our celebratory gatherings feel less safe. The threats are becoming tangible, terrifying and can no longer be ignored.”

By Liam Stack and Michael Wilson
June 25, 2023

more:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/25/nyregion/nyc-pride-march.html

you're in Denial
tentsy.
why?

@57: The “linked article” was the earlier one from the New York Times, so you haven’t answered my question. The new article you quoted also has nothing about “Centrist Dems,” or about putting “Marginalized” persons in “Prison,” so I ask, yet again, “what has the linked article to do with your blatant fear- mongering? Can you even read?"