On the happy occasion of not having to hear about Iowa again for 4 years, let me remind everyone that President Motherfucker is the worst person in America and he should save America by dropping dead.
Also, to the new staff of TS: please do not post pictures of his fat melting clown and face and bleached clown combover in Slog AM, it ruins everyone's morning.
Senate to Vote on Forcing
Human Rights Report as
Condition for Israel Aid
The measure, forced to the floor by Senator Bernie Sanders, independent of Vermont, has little chance of passing given opposition by Republicans and Democrats.
But it is only one of a raft of measures that progressives in the Senate have proposed in recent weeks that reflect their uneasiness with Israel’s conduct of the war and raise questions about whether and under what circumstances the United States would send a fresh infusion of funding to back the country.
“There is growing concern among the American people and in Congress that what Israel is doing now is not a war against Hamas, but a war against the Palestinian people,” Mr. Sanders said in an interview.
“That with American military aid, children are starving to death, is to me — I mean, I just don’t know what adjectives I can use. It’s disgraceful. And I think I’m not the only one who feels that.”
Thank God for Bernie!
Tanya Woo, like many others who have run for SCC over the years, is primarily a local community organizer.
Painting her as a pawn of big business demeans legitimate concerns she - and many others - have about improving the overall health of Seattle.
I'm not sure she is the best pick for the open seat, but hopefully whoever is chosen will not be selected just to please a narrow constituency.
Misstated headline vis-a-vis the QFC Safeway merger. Ferguson hasn't blocked the merger but is suing to prevent it. That being said, good luck fighting corporate monopoly power.
Good for Ferguson. I can't believe the government allowed the Kroeger/Albertson's merger in the first place. Heck, I can't believe they allowed Safeway to merge with Albertsons.
No, trump did not win "big" in Iowa. He - the presumed party nominee and supposed standard bearer - got 51% of a dismal turnout vote. Less than 15% of all Iowa GOP voters showed up for this much-hyped nonsense. And no, it wasn't because of the cold. Snow might have had something to do with it, but I'm not really buying that one either. As a native Iowan, I know that they don't let a frigid temp stop them, and since most precincts are held in town, even some snow doesn't slow people down if they want to be somewhere. Iowa is not like Seattle when it comes to snow managment.
@14, I read an article about this from I believe MSNBC where they interviewed an anti-Trump evangelical about the strong support for Trump in Iowa and he more or less said that they believe he is the best guy that can go out and own the libs. So I think for those Trump voters it's stupidity by design: He's the one that they trust the most if he wins to go Kristallnacht on the people they hate, i.e., libs/left/BLM/Democratic party, etc.
While I’m not a fan of appointing to the Council a candidate the voters just rejected, the case here would be that this seat is city-wide, not for a district. Also, voters have shown plenty of agreement with Mayor Harrell of late, so perhaps his endorsement-by-proxy should count for something.
Of course, appointing a candidate whom a sitting Council Member just defeated could seem pretty disrespectful to her, but then again, the Council weathered years of Sawant’s uselessly toxic antagonism, so they might not care if they push CM Morales toward the same path.
@4 It's worth noting that the situation in the occupied territories is substantially different now than it was in 1968, and it's entirely possible, if not likely that King's views would have changed somewhat in the meantime. Just like a person's views on, say, the territorial integrity of Yugoslavia might change between 1948 and 1993.
@7 I think there's a technically feasible alternative to stopping food aid at Gaza's border. Opening the gate is really tough, but I think Israel can figure it out. There's probably a technically feasible way not to have snipers kill people in convents. GPS technology is really rare, especially for soldiers, but I think it could be done.
As previously discussed, there are also technically feasible alternatives to Israel's weaponeering that would allow them to destroy buildings next to hospitals (even with 2000 lb bombs!) without significantly damaging the hospitals themselves. The problem isn't technical feasibility, it's Israel's willingness to use those techniques and adapt their warfighting plan to minimize casualties. Last time this came up, you handwaved it away because Israel doesn't fight that way. Maybe they should.
@18 hasn't TS told us time and again that opposing the candidacy of a woman of color is both racist and misogynistic? There may be reasons to oppose Woo being appointed to the council but TS is being disingenuous when it comes to their reasoning. It's not about her losing an election or that business community has signaled their support. It's about her being more moderate than TS would like. If times were different and we were talking about a progressive council appointing Shuan Scott or Oliver does anyone really think TS or the activist community would have an issue with it? Keep in mind Woo would only serve through the end of the year and that seat would be up for election in the fall when voters can weigh in on who should complete the last 2 years of Mosqueda's term. I have no issues with Woo being appointed because there is a valid argument that Morales actively ignores the needs of the larg Asian community in the CID because they don't align with her political goals. At this point it seems like a foregone conclusion Woo will be appointed (3 members have already signaled their support).
@29. Good god, I never thought I'd ever actually read the words of a holocaust denier in real time, but here we have it. Little Joshy, living in his own Private Idaho.
Everyone do the world a solid, and punch a Nazi whenever you can...
Living in the CD @31, thanks for calling that out more explicitly than Whatwhereami did at @30. You'll find a lot of vile, toxic disinformation and hate speech on a Slog comment thread, but I don't ever recall seeing some honest-to-goodness Holocaust denial until now.
And the scary thing is, the message is conveyed in the same casual, matter-of-fact, gaslighting, "you'd have to be an idiot" way that your typical climate denier or Russian troll operates.
Anyway, I was going to comment here to applaud the all-around great comment by Catalina @16. Using the Iowa caucuses to winnow out presidential candidates is just such an inane, antiquated, antidemocratic practice, you have to wonder why the Democrats didn't abandon it ages ago. As for the rebuttal by DOUG. @32: "It's pretty easy to avoid Kroger/Safeway in Seattle. PCC, Central Co-op, Met Market, or even Trader Joes are better options." This is kinda like saying that Teslas are viable alternatives to Toyotas because they're both cars. DOUG., you're a reasonable fella. I think you know better than what you just wrote.
@29 Just fuck off back to your militia fever dreams.
@20 Huh. So in your world, an Israeli Arab who steals a house at gunpoint from an Israeli Jew would be afforded the same impunity as an Israeli Jew who steals a house from an Arab? Muslims and Christians in Israel are given the same rights to avoid military service because of their religious studies? Get back to me on how that works out. I'm guessing that you'll find that the Israeli government routinely favors the members of one religion over another. Also, pro tip: No Israelis != No Jews. I mean, unless you assume that there are no Arab or Christian Israelis.
Re: the walls. Since the walls were just put up to protect Israeli towns from Palestinians, it's surely just a coincidence that 9% of Palestinian territory is on the other side of the wall, right? It definitely wasn't a land grab, so that must have just been an accident? If only they had gotten a surveyor in to check that. And maybe not enclosed Palestinian land taken by illegal Israeli settlements. But then we'd be living in a different world.
It is soooo weird that Egypt doesn't want to send its army to distribute food in an active war zone where declared safe zones are routinely bombed. Why could that possibly be? It's a mystery. You may also wish to brush up on Article 55 of the Geneva Convention. You know, the part where the occupying power has the responsibility to provide food and medicine for the civilian population.
@26 And yet you handwave it away. Perhaps if Israel spent less time trying to take out leadership and more time on the grunts, things would be different. How many times did the US kill the #3 man in ISIS with no change in the fighting on the ground? And also, most of the damage to hospitals has been when Israel bombed the building next door or the ambulances out front. So the issue of next door and out front are very relevant vs. tunnels underneath.
I do appreciate your theory of Schroedinger's Hamas control centers. They have an unusual quantum duality. They are both in fixed locations in tunnels under hospitals and also completely unpredictable wandering through the ether in another. You only know for sure when you drop the bomb on the hospital.
Who made it lawful for snipers to shoot the nuns? Were the Sisters of Mother Teresa harboring Hamas in their convent?
I'm seeing "Sir Toby III" @34. Which raises the question, what happened to Sir Toby II? Or is this like--spoiler alert--Groot dying at the end of "Guardians of the Galaxy" and Baby Groot springing up in its place?
Doug dear, you don’t come down to the Rainier Valley much, do you? QFC and Safeway are pretty much the only games in town. There’s a PCC in Columbia City, but if I want to overpay for groceries, I’ll just go to the Hilltop Red Apple on Beacon Ave.
Personally, I like Safeway. Good prices, good store brands and a very good loyalty program. The Rainier Ave QFC, on the other hand, leaves a lot to be desired. They’ve really let it slide. Great staff, however.
@39 Israel said they wouldn't bomb civilians in "safe areas" so pardon Egypt's skepticism that they wouldn't get bombed if a Very Important Hamas Target presented itself somewhere in the vicinity of the Egyptian troops.
Weird how the walls didn't include many (if any) Palestinian towns, but did enclose a whole lot of Palestinian farmland. That the farmers have very infrequent access to. And settlers have an easy time stealing for the next outpost. Funny how that works. Almost like it was a land grab.
My mistake on the draft. Get back to me when Muslim religious scholars are supported by the state. Or when a Reform rabbi can perform a recognized marriage in Israel.
Just curious, was your trip to the West Bank a Birthright trip?
@41 Golly, it's almost like instead of adopting a military strategy that works well in other conflicts, Israel should do something different since they are operating in a completely different landscape. The other interesting thing is that the tactics you describe (move infantry forward, observe incoming fire, bomb/shell the snot out of anything that shoots) is pretty much exactly how Russia is conducting the war in Ukraine. When that's your model, it's no wonder civilian casualties are high. Most militaries that are actually interested in reducing civilian casualties use surveillance of various kinds to identify targets.
Remind me again why the nuns were a legitimate target?
Not sure I understand why Woo is getting such a push for the open council seat, as opposed to other runner ups in the recent election. Hudson, Davis, Costa & Hanning all received thousands more total votes than Woo. And Ron Davis lost by an even smaller number of votes, so shouldn't he be receiving more consideration?
Also, Stranger, please stop using pics of trump for your header, he doesn't deserve it and it's just painful to watch. We see enough of him on actual news websites. And at least if you do, aim for a less flattering photo of him, something he would hate. You don't need to "normalize" him, the actual news is doing a good enough job at that as well.
@44 "But, since Israel is a modern military governed by LOAC such mistakes are internally corrected and punished when misconduct is present." Riiiight. We're going to believe that laid down no punishment for shooting the escaped hostages is going to internally correct and punish? Suuuuure. Heck, in half of the cases of the IDF killing Palestinians in the last decade (pre-10/7, so not even in wartime) they didn't even open an investigation. But go ahead and believe that a thorough investigation will happen and people will be punished.
What would I have them do? Tell their snipers to shoot unarmed (aka not obviously armed) people! Is that so goddamn hard? I can understand the argument when people are approaching the IDF. But if there's a group of women and children not carrying weapons, don't shoot them. Particularly if they're inside their own compound and not walking down a street. That seems like a pretty basic rule, but it seems like a kinda hard one for the IDF to grasp. Yes, there are child soldiers, and yes there are women who have suicide vests. But if there aren't any IDF soldiers in the vicinity and you can't see weapons, who's being threatened?
Another basic rule is that if the IDF has declared an area a "safe area," don't bomb it. Yes, that probably does mean that some Hamas militants will be among the civilians and will be safe from attack. If you aren't going to respect safe zones, then don't declare them in the first place.
If your premise about Egypt wanting to destroy Hamas was accurate, they'd /want/ to be going in to Gaza to destroy Hamas there. They've built a wall because they don't want to be the recipient of 2 million Gazan refugees/an ethnic cleansing removal of Gazans, depending on your point of view. Once Gazans are off Israeli territory, Israel certainly isn't going to either pay for their upkeep or allow them to return. So why should Egypt take them? I'm sure that not trusting the IDF not to bomb them when they see an Arab with a gun is also part of the equation, likely as is not having been invited to join the party.
@45 Oh, you think there could be a mandate for an armed group of UN peacekeepers to go to Gaza to disarm Hamas? How adorable. Israel/the US would veto that in a heartbeat. And the sensors you'd use? It's this weird thing called video. You know, so you can see if someone is carrying an AK-47 or larger weapon. Those tend to be kinda hard to hide.
Another example of Schroedinger's tunnels. See, Hamas can use them to travel at will anywhere in Gaza with complete invisibility. However, the IDF can't use the tunnels, because of ... reasons. So they can't use their superior force and surveillance capabilities to clear the tunnels from underneath. The only option is to bomb them from above regardless of civilian casualties. Weird.
@56 Tunnel fighting is historically hard and dangerous. With improvements in electronics (eg fiberoptic scopes to look around corners and RC wheeled drones that can scout ahead), it's likely marginally easier and safer because you're less likely to be surprised. But you'd think it would be worth it to deny Hamas freedom of movement.
@55: Tell us you ripped my words out of context, without having the intestinal fortitude to admit you ripped my words out of context. (You even slapped your pretentious misformatting on my words, in a physical admission of just how hard you had to twist them.)
If anyone dedicated an order of magnitude more effort to distortion than you have here, she could take seven of your words and make even you sound honest and reasonable. But no one owes you that.
Hamas committed genocide in Israel on 10/7, and you and your girlfriend can whine about it all you want, but rape victims will not be silenced. Of the acts which constitute genocide, here’s an interesting one: “Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group”.
Do you think Hamas mutilated their rape victims’ genitals by accident? Aside from the level of sickness and inhumanity required to do that, do you think it’s a coincidence they just so happened to meet that point in the genocide checklist?
Israelis know Hamas perpetrated genocide against them on 10/7, and they’ll do what they need to do to prevent a repeat. Anyone here criticizing Israel without demanding real actions to stop Hamas will continue to be ignored. Twist my words all you want, show over and over and over again you have no idea what “genocide” actually means, whatever. Nobody cares.
Nor should they.
Call us again when the embittered sore losers in the ANC file genocide charges against Hamas. Until then, nobody need believe they care anything at all about genocide in the Middle East.
...Israelis know Hamas perpetrated genocide against them on 10/7, and...
if killing 1200 is a genocide, do we get to invent a new word for killing 24,000 and counting?
Back in 2001, in a visit to the illegal West Bank settlement of Ofra, an out-of-office Benjamin Netanyahu, apparently unaware he was being recorded, boasted to his hosts that “America is a thing you can move very easily — move it in the right direction.”
At the time, Mr. Netanyahu was talking about his experience with the Clinton White House; he had undermined Washington-led peace efforts during his first stint as Israel’s prime minister.
But more than 20 years later, Mr. Netanyahu’s assessment feels uncomfortably familiar.
Since the Biden administration pledged its early and unwavering support to Israel following Hamas’s Oct. 7 attacks, Mr. Netanyahu has repeatedly slow-walked Washington’s behind-the-scenes requests regarding the war, including that Israel use greater restraint in prosecuting its war in Gaza, avoid provoking a broader regional conflagration and work to forge a postwar path toward peace.
As a result, as the war has enteed its fourth month, the Biden administration has achieved almost none of its goals regarding Israeli policies and actions.
More than 23,000 Palestinian civilians, including over 10,000 children, have been killed so far, according to the Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry, and the threat of mass starvation and disease looms.
Israel’s government has rejected any horizon for peace, and, after an initial pause in fighting and a hostage/prisoner exchange, such talks seem now to be at an impasse.
The only “success” the United States can claim is in its steadfast support for Israel. And yet the unconditional nature of that backing stands in the way of any prospect of achieving its other policy goals and finding a path out of this horror.
--by Daniel Levy
1/17/ 24
Mr. Levy is the president of the U.S./Middle
East Project and a former Israeli peace negotiator.
@63: No, you get to use the actual definition of genocide, the one written into international law — and it does not require the killing of even a single human being. Widespread rape and genital mutilations suffice, as Hamas did in Israel on 10/7.
What genocide — like any other crime — also requires is intent, and merely pointing at a body count does not establish that. You need to show the IDF is killing Palestinians just to kill them, in an attempt to end them as a people. In reality, Palestinians as a group do not fall under the actual definition of genocide, and Israel is killing Hamas in Gaza, to prevent another genocide. Hamas is using civilians in Gaza as human shields against the IDF. That is why the body count is so high. Start reducing Hamas’ abilities to commit genocide, and to use civilians as human shields. Those actions, if successful for long enough, will reduce the body count. (In case you hadn’t noticed, fabricating your own definition of genocide, and whining at Israel about it, hasn’t had any effect at all on the situation in Gaza.)
@59 and 62 Congratulations, you just admitted that Israel can't win the war against Hamas. If they can't go into the tunnels, they will never remove Hamas from Gaza. The IDF will never find all of the entrances from the surface--that's the nature of the beast.
If they can go into the tunnels at some unspecified future time when they still don't know where the booby traps etc. are, they presumably can also do that now.
Re: concealing weapons. So what you're saying is that anyone who, by nature of their clothing, could be concealing weapons is a legitimate target for the IDF? And also that most of the common clothing worn by Gazan civilians could conceal a weapon? Gosh, how did we end up with so many civilian casualties anyway? Weren't you the one who got all up in arms when I said that the IDF's practical rules of engagement said they could shoot any Palestinian at any time? Seems like you just said they could.
Doug dear, three Safeways, a PCC, and a QFC (along with various markets geared towards specific immigrant communities) does not a "food desert" make - especially when you consider the Grocery Outlet in Skyway and the Safeway, Fred Meyer and Wal-Mart on Rainier Ave in Renton.
My point was that all the chi-chi places like Metropolitan Market and hipster places like Trader Joe's and Amazon Fresh are non-existent in the neighborhood. I'm not sure why, for there's plenty of money in the neighborhood when you include places like Seward Park and Mount Baker. Even dumb old Beacon Hill is getting pretty fancypants these days. I think the corporate marketing people just assume that it's because they believe the conventional line of thought that it's just a "poor, non-white" neighborhood.
Oops, I forgot to mention the most important point: The Safeway/Kroger merger could be disastrous for consumers in the valley (and in Renton). If they started closing stores, either because of "monopoly concerns" or just to be cheap, that really might create a "food desert" scenario.
@67: It’s not my definition of genocide; I’m merely quoting the actual definition of genocide, as defined by the international community, and the explanatory material on the UN’s web site. (In case you missed it, this definition of genocide is what the ICC will use if it pursues the ANC’s charge of genocide against Israel — an action you applauded. You don’t even know what you advocate!)
And yes, by quoting that definition and applying it to known facts on the ground, Hamas perpetrated genocide in Israel in Israel on 10/7. (This answer’s your girlfriend’s angry question: we’re still talking about 10/7 because we care about stopping genocide.)
You don’t just get to pick your own meanings for the words you use. Ask George Orwell for details.
@78: “Sounds like the definition could stand to be updated for the times we live in to better reflect the international community's understanding of it.”
“The international community’s understanding of it,” is the one the international community wrote into international law. As I already noted, under this actual definition of genocide, Hamas perpetrated genocide against Israel on 10/7, and Israel has since been preventing Hamas from attempting another genocide. You can disagree with Israel’s methods, but that is their motivation. I happen to think preventing genocide is more important than many other things, and you’re free to disagree with me on that.
@79: Again, I have quoted and cited the source I have used for my definition, and it is exactly the definition the international community has freely chosen to write into international law.
Words mean things. If everything is genocide, then nothing is — and I happen to think genocide is pretty important. Again, you’re free to disagree with me on that.
@74 Dude, you said that "QFC and Safeway are pretty much the only games in town" but now you're telling me that there are a ton of options in Rainier Valley. Make up your mind.
@83: The main irony deficit here comes from @64, where you claim the Stranger (and you) gets to use the word “genocide” however you wish, and those of us who know the actual meaning just need to shut up and go away.
This is essentially what your girlfriend said about anyone who dares mention the rape and mutilation of women on 10/7. (You know, actual genocide, under the real definition of the word.)
most of the fucking
Planet can see that Murder
on a Biblical Scale is either Gen-
ocide or will Soon Be . and your little
Pedantic Gymnastics'll go a Long Ways in
Assuring
Israel's ultimate
Demise. well played
Wormtongue. O! & happy Armageddon.
You said "It's pretty easy to avoid Kroger/Safeway in Seattle. PCC, Central Co-op, Met Market, or even Trader Joes are better options."
I replied that QFC and Safeway are "about the only games in town" in the valley.
You said that it's a poor neighborhood that's why it's a food desert
I pushed back saying that the valley is not a food desert, with it's three Safeways, one QFC, one PCC and numerous small markets - as well as more Safeways and Kroegers in Renton, and made the point that if they are allowed to merge and are either required to close stores or close stores in the name of efficiency, that could create a situation where there are less stores, less competition, and higher prices - and the glamour stores that you apparently think are on every corner will not be in the valley anytime soon.
@86: You left out “US helplessly embroiled in spreading regional conflict” in the middle, and, “earth spins out of its orbit” at the end, but otherwise, it’s up to your usual standards. B+
@16 Catalina Vel-DuRay: Thank you and bless you for so consistently telling it like it is. SLOG needs more commenters like you.
@52 Rickety Racketeer: Dude. Stop chugging the MAGA Kool-Aid. FOX TeeVee causes brain cancer.
@69: No thanks, raindrop dear. Every time I see a comment made by teenieweenie I just scroll past.
Dude must have serious lead poisoning in his tap water.
@92 kristofarian: +1 Agreed. Personally, I may have finally shut him up by referring to him as teenieweenie.
Dude's all for endless heated arguments and no sense.
My guess is that he's 14 going on 40, terminally bored, and mad as hell that he still can't legally drive or vote.
@92: Yeah, but the problem with “genocide,” “terrorism,” and other words always meaning anything you want, is that ultimately they’ll mean nothing at all.
And I’m very proud to speak against you doing that.
oh
and when
they started calling
Climate Activists "Ecco-
Terrorists"* they diluted the
word down below Zero. sad.
*they'd burned
a few unoccupied
homes under construction
& possibly destroyed some equipment
but perhaps I'm misremembering an Edward
Abbey book and conflating the two. ah, the mind!
@97: Yeah, you’re right; anything as high as a “B” wasn’t warranted by your actual performance, but in the age of special snowflakes and participation trophies, grades just get inflated sometimes.
(Also, I wouldn’t want you to go bawling to Johnstone; the most she would do is hit you, and I was very afraid for you — specifically, that you’d enjoy it far too much.)
Ashley, the next time you're doing a tribute to honoring Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. on MLK Jr. Day would you be so kind as to have his photographed image be the main photo of your TS news article instead of a recycled blowup of the Orange Turd?
Are you among the DJT's organized crime fan base? If so, what exactly do you expect to gain if GOP neofascism reclaims the White House?
On the happy occasion of not having to hear about Iowa again for 4 years, let me remind everyone that President Motherfucker is the worst person in America and he should save America by dropping dead.
Also, to the new staff of TS: please do not post pictures of his fat melting clown and face and bleached clown combover in Slog AM, it ruins everyone's morning.
and in Other News
nyt:
Senate to Vote on Forcing
Human Rights Report as
Condition for Israel Aid
The measure, forced to the floor by Senator Bernie Sanders, independent of Vermont, has little chance of passing given opposition by Republicans and Democrats.
But it is only one of a raft of measures that progressives in the Senate have proposed in recent weeks that reflect their uneasiness with Israel’s conduct of the war and raise questions about whether and under what circumstances the United States would send a fresh infusion of funding to back the country.
“There is growing concern among the American people and in Congress that what Israel is doing now is not a war against Hamas, but a war against the Palestinian people,” Mr. Sanders said in an interview.
“That with American military aid, children are starving to death, is to me — I mean, I just don’t know what adjectives I can use. It’s disgraceful. And I think I’m not the only one who feels that.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/16/us/politics/senate-israel-aid.html
it IS Disgraceful
Mr. Senator. It’s also
an Humanitarian fucking
Nightmare sponsored by We
The Fucking People of these United States.
End the MADNESS.
Shut off the Spigot
and head off the
GENOCIDE.
@2 -- "Shitty journalism
from The Stranger to
start the work week."
well then thank
Gawd you're here to
"brighten up" derr Schlog.
@3: “The measure … has little chance of passing…”
So, after a performative display, nothing actually happened.
Thank God for Bernie!
Tanya Woo, like many others who have run for SCC over the years, is primarily a local community organizer.
Painting her as a pawn of big business demeans legitimate concerns she - and many others - have about improving the overall health of Seattle.
I'm not sure she is the best pick for the open seat, but hopefully whoever is chosen will not be selected just to please a narrow constituency.
@5
if Only
the United
States Senate
might Hear your
Wonderful lil' Message:
“There
is no justify-
cation for terrorism. Ever.”
tensorna on December 8, 2023 at 8:44 AM
Misstated headline vis-a-vis the QFC Safeway merger. Ferguson hasn't blocked the merger but is suing to prevent it. That being said, good luck fighting corporate monopoly power.
@9: Where did I claim Israel had committed acts of terror in Gaza? Can you cite that, please?
Or did you just rip my words out of context, like protesters this weekend did to Dr. King?
If the latter, I’ll take your implied comparison for the compliment it surely is.
Please do let us know!
Good for Ferguson. I can't believe the government allowed the Kroeger/Albertson's merger in the first place. Heck, I can't believe they allowed Safeway to merge with Albertsons.
No, trump did not win "big" in Iowa. He - the presumed party nominee and supposed standard bearer - got 51% of a dismal turnout vote. Less than 15% of all Iowa GOP voters showed up for this much-hyped nonsense. And no, it wasn't because of the cold. Snow might have had something to do with it, but I'm not really buying that one either. As a native Iowan, I know that they don't let a frigid temp stop them, and since most precincts are held in town, even some snow doesn't slow people down if they want to be somewhere. Iowa is not like Seattle when it comes to snow managment.
@14, I read an article about this from I believe MSNBC where they interviewed an anti-Trump evangelical about the strong support for Trump in Iowa and he more or less said that they believe he is the best guy that can go out and own the libs. So I think for those Trump voters it's stupidity by design: He's the one that they trust the most if he wins to go Kristallnacht on the people they hate, i.e., libs/left/BLM/Democratic party, etc.
While I’m not a fan of appointing to the Council a candidate the voters just rejected, the case here would be that this seat is city-wide, not for a district. Also, voters have shown plenty of agreement with Mayor Harrell of late, so perhaps his endorsement-by-proxy should count for something.
Of course, appointing a candidate whom a sitting Council Member just defeated could seem pretty disrespectful to her, but then again, the Council weathered years of Sawant’s uselessly toxic antagonism, so they might not care if they push CM Morales toward the same path.
@4 It's worth noting that the situation in the occupied territories is substantially different now than it was in 1968, and it's entirely possible, if not likely that King's views would have changed somewhat in the meantime. Just like a person's views on, say, the territorial integrity of Yugoslavia might change between 1948 and 1993.
@7 I think there's a technically feasible alternative to stopping food aid at Gaza's border. Opening the gate is really tough, but I think Israel can figure it out. There's probably a technically feasible way not to have snipers kill people in convents. GPS technology is really rare, especially for soldiers, but I think it could be done.
As previously discussed, there are also technically feasible alternatives to Israel's weaponeering that would allow them to destroy buildings next to hospitals (even with 2000 lb bombs!) without significantly damaging the hospitals themselves. The problem isn't technical feasibility, it's Israel's willingness to use those techniques and adapt their warfighting plan to minimize casualties. Last time this came up, you handwaved it away because Israel doesn't fight that way. Maybe they should.
@18 hasn't TS told us time and again that opposing the candidacy of a woman of color is both racist and misogynistic? There may be reasons to oppose Woo being appointed to the council but TS is being disingenuous when it comes to their reasoning. It's not about her losing an election or that business community has signaled their support. It's about her being more moderate than TS would like. If times were different and we were talking about a progressive council appointing Shuan Scott or Oliver does anyone really think TS or the activist community would have an issue with it? Keep in mind Woo would only serve through the end of the year and that seat would be up for election in the fall when voters can weigh in on who should complete the last 2 years of Mosqueda's term. I have no issues with Woo being appointed because there is a valid argument that Morales actively ignores the needs of the larg Asian community in the CID because they don't align with her political goals. At this point it seems like a foregone conclusion Woo will be appointed (3 members have already signaled their support).
having a real Hard time
believing MLK'd be
Pro-Genocide
these days.
irregardlessly the Reactionary
"Right" had to Murder MLK
when he went Off the Res-
ervation in moving his
Focus from a Racial
to a Class Struggle
a Mix much too
Powerful to
Ignore.
@29. Good god, I never thought I'd ever actually read the words of a holocaust denier in real time, but here we have it. Little Joshy, living in his own Private Idaho.
Everyone do the world a solid, and punch a Nazi whenever you can...
It's pretty easy to avoid Kroger/Safeway in Seattle. PCC, Central Co-op, Met Market, or even Trader Joes are better options.
Living in the CD @31, thanks for calling that out more explicitly than Whatwhereami did at @30. You'll find a lot of vile, toxic disinformation and hate speech on a Slog comment thread, but I don't ever recall seeing some honest-to-goodness Holocaust denial until now.
And the scary thing is, the message is conveyed in the same casual, matter-of-fact, gaslighting, "you'd have to be an idiot" way that your typical climate denier or Russian troll operates.
Anyway, I was going to comment here to applaud the all-around great comment by Catalina @16. Using the Iowa caucuses to winnow out presidential candidates is just such an inane, antiquated, antidemocratic practice, you have to wonder why the Democrats didn't abandon it ages ago. As for the rebuttal by DOUG. @32: "It's pretty easy to avoid Kroger/Safeway in Seattle. PCC, Central Co-op, Met Market, or even Trader Joes are better options." This is kinda like saying that Teslas are viable alternatives to Toyotas because they're both cars. DOUG., you're a reasonable fella. I think you know better than what you just wrote.
@29 Just fuck off back to your militia fever dreams.
@20 Huh. So in your world, an Israeli Arab who steals a house at gunpoint from an Israeli Jew would be afforded the same impunity as an Israeli Jew who steals a house from an Arab? Muslims and Christians in Israel are given the same rights to avoid military service because of their religious studies? Get back to me on how that works out. I'm guessing that you'll find that the Israeli government routinely favors the members of one religion over another. Also, pro tip: No Israelis != No Jews. I mean, unless you assume that there are no Arab or Christian Israelis.
Re: the walls. Since the walls were just put up to protect Israeli towns from Palestinians, it's surely just a coincidence that 9% of Palestinian territory is on the other side of the wall, right? It definitely wasn't a land grab, so that must have just been an accident? If only they had gotten a surveyor in to check that. And maybe not enclosed Palestinian land taken by illegal Israeli settlements. But then we'd be living in a different world.
It is soooo weird that Egypt doesn't want to send its army to distribute food in an active war zone where declared safe zones are routinely bombed. Why could that possibly be? It's a mystery. You may also wish to brush up on Article 55 of the Geneva Convention. You know, the part where the occupying power has the responsibility to provide food and medicine for the civilian population.
@26 And yet you handwave it away. Perhaps if Israel spent less time trying to take out leadership and more time on the grunts, things would be different. How many times did the US kill the #3 man in ISIS with no change in the fighting on the ground? And also, most of the damage to hospitals has been when Israel bombed the building next door or the ambulances out front. So the issue of next door and out front are very relevant vs. tunnels underneath.
I do appreciate your theory of Schroedinger's Hamas control centers. They have an unusual quantum duality. They are both in fixed locations in tunnels under hospitals and also completely unpredictable wandering through the ether in another. You only know for sure when you drop the bomb on the hospital.
Who made it lawful for snipers to shoot the nuns? Were the Sisters of Mother Teresa harboring Hamas in their convent?
I'm seeing "Sir Toby III" @34. Which raises the question, what happened to Sir Toby II? Or is this like--spoiler alert--Groot dying at the end of "Guardians of the Galaxy" and Baby Groot springing up in its place?
Doug dear, you don’t come down to the Rainier Valley much, do you? QFC and Safeway are pretty much the only games in town. There’s a PCC in Columbia City, but if I want to overpay for groceries, I’ll just go to the Hilltop Red Apple on Beacon Ave.
Personally, I like Safeway. Good prices, good store brands and a very good loyalty program. The Rainier Ave QFC, on the other hand, leaves a lot to be desired. They’ve really let it slide. Great staff, however.
@39 Israel said they wouldn't bomb civilians in "safe areas" so pardon Egypt's skepticism that they wouldn't get bombed if a Very Important Hamas Target presented itself somewhere in the vicinity of the Egyptian troops.
Weird how the walls didn't include many (if any) Palestinian towns, but did enclose a whole lot of Palestinian farmland. That the farmers have very infrequent access to. And settlers have an easy time stealing for the next outpost. Funny how that works. Almost like it was a land grab.
My mistake on the draft. Get back to me when Muslim religious scholars are supported by the state. Or when a Reform rabbi can perform a recognized marriage in Israel.
Just curious, was your trip to the West Bank a Birthright trip?
@41 Golly, it's almost like instead of adopting a military strategy that works well in other conflicts, Israel should do something different since they are operating in a completely different landscape. The other interesting thing is that the tactics you describe (move infantry forward, observe incoming fire, bomb/shell the snot out of anything that shoots) is pretty much exactly how Russia is conducting the war in Ukraine. When that's your model, it's no wonder civilian casualties are high. Most militaries that are actually interested in reducing civilian casualties use surveillance of various kinds to identify targets.
Remind me again why the nuns were a legitimate target?
"Gaza
is not
genocide,
it’s simple
math unfortunately."
who fucking CARES?
end the Terrorism then.
End the STARVATION the Diseases End the
Medical Disaster the HUMANITARIAN DISASTER
that is now Gaza. I know, I know: but Hamas. but Hamas
how much Time do we even
Have? till this thing Spirals
Outta CONTROL fucking
Madness . happy Cheer
Leading! perhaps you-
'll get a Ringside Seat.
we'll Join
you.
Not sure I understand why Woo is getting such a push for the open council seat, as opposed to other runner ups in the recent election. Hudson, Davis, Costa & Hanning all received thousands more total votes than Woo. And Ron Davis lost by an even smaller number of votes, so shouldn't he be receiving more consideration?
Also, Stranger, please stop using pics of trump for your header, he doesn't deserve it and it's just painful to watch. We see enough of him on actual news websites. And at least if you do, aim for a less flattering photo of him, something he would hate. You don't need to "normalize" him, the actual news is doing a good enough job at that as well.
@33 I don’t have a car so don’t get the analogy.
@40: Oh, wow, newsflash: poor, non-white neighborhood is a food desert with limited options. Welcome to America. It sucks.
If Trump had remained president, no water pipes would have frozen or burst. FACT!
@48 -- I concur.
pls show us instead more
Honest depictions of tfg djt tS.
amusing
caricatures
work Fine too
tho I'll Expect to see
y'all too at the Gulag! we'll
have us a little Going Away Partay.
@44 "But, since Israel is a modern military governed by LOAC such mistakes are internally corrected and punished when misconduct is present." Riiiight. We're going to believe that laid down no punishment for shooting the escaped hostages is going to internally correct and punish? Suuuuure. Heck, in half of the cases of the IDF killing Palestinians in the last decade (pre-10/7, so not even in wartime) they didn't even open an investigation. But go ahead and believe that a thorough investigation will happen and people will be punished.
What would I have them do? Tell their snipers to shoot unarmed (aka not obviously armed) people! Is that so goddamn hard? I can understand the argument when people are approaching the IDF. But if there's a group of women and children not carrying weapons, don't shoot them. Particularly if they're inside their own compound and not walking down a street. That seems like a pretty basic rule, but it seems like a kinda hard one for the IDF to grasp. Yes, there are child soldiers, and yes there are women who have suicide vests. But if there aren't any IDF soldiers in the vicinity and you can't see weapons, who's being threatened?
Another basic rule is that if the IDF has declared an area a "safe area," don't bomb it. Yes, that probably does mean that some Hamas militants will be among the civilians and will be safe from attack. If you aren't going to respect safe zones, then don't declare them in the first place.
If your premise about Egypt wanting to destroy Hamas was accurate, they'd /want/ to be going in to Gaza to destroy Hamas there. They've built a wall because they don't want to be the recipient of 2 million Gazan refugees/an ethnic cleansing removal of Gazans, depending on your point of view. Once Gazans are off Israeli territory, Israel certainly isn't going to either pay for their upkeep or allow them to return. So why should Egypt take them? I'm sure that not trusting the IDF not to bomb them when they see an Arab with a gun is also part of the equation, likely as is not having been invited to join the party.
@45 Oh, you think there could be a mandate for an armed group of UN peacekeepers to go to Gaza to disarm Hamas? How adorable. Israel/the US would veto that in a heartbeat. And the sensors you'd use? It's this weird thing called video. You know, so you can see if someone is carrying an AK-47 or larger weapon. Those tend to be kinda hard to hide.
Another example of Schroedinger's tunnels. See, Hamas can use them to travel at will anywhere in Gaza with complete invisibility. However, the IDF can't use the tunnels, because of ... reasons. So they can't use their superior force and surveillance capabilities to clear the tunnels from underneath. The only option is to bomb them from above regardless of civilian casualties. Weird.
@15
@9 stands in fact
it bears Repeating:
“There
is no justify-
cation for terrorism. Ever.”
tensorna on December 8, 2023 at 8:44 AM
and you can slip
your ’context’
where old
Sol don’t
Shine
it’s
Fucking
UNIVERSAL.
& you can Disown it
or contextualize it
rationalize or
otherwise
it
Stands.
Well fucking
Put. Acci-
dentally,
huh?
"So they [IDF]
can't use their superior
force and surveillance capabilities
to clear the tunnels from underneath."
tunnels can be quite
Frightening. plus Hamas.
"The only option is
to bomb them from
above regardless of
civilian casualties."
you gotta Admit
it's pretty damn
Convenient.
"Weird."
yeah.
ain't it?
@56 Tunnel fighting is historically hard and dangerous. With improvements in electronics (eg fiberoptic scopes to look around corners and RC wheeled drones that can scout ahead), it's likely marginally easier and safer because you're less likely to be surprised. But you'd think it would be worth it to deny Hamas freedom of movement.
@57 -- force Hamas*
out into the Open?
but that might
shorten the
War Effort
& BiBi's
GOTTA hang
on till Nov. 5th
when El trumpfster
declares Martial Law
and Nukes Palestine on
Day One. on day Two he rests.
*are they gonna need
some Tunnelrats?
perhaps they
might Rent
themselves
some Mer-
cenaries
with Ex-
perince
in Plas-
tiques.
re
tunnel
cleansing:
perhaps
Israel oughtta
take a few cues from
our boys in Blue: Sound Cannons
&/or Drones
or sleeping gas
or whatevertheFuck
they'e Murdering them
topside -- make it fucking
Uninhabitable in the Basement:
send in
The Basterds.
@55: Tell us you ripped my words out of context, without having the intestinal fortitude to admit you ripped my words out of context. (You even slapped your pretentious misformatting on my words, in a physical admission of just how hard you had to twist them.)
If anyone dedicated an order of magnitude more effort to distortion than you have here, she could take seven of your words and make even you sound honest and reasonable. But no one owes you that.
Hamas committed genocide in Israel on 10/7, and you and your girlfriend can whine about it all you want, but rape victims will not be silenced. Of the acts which constitute genocide, here’s an interesting one: “Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group”.
Do you think Hamas mutilated their rape victims’ genitals by accident? Aside from the level of sickness and inhumanity required to do that, do you think it’s a coincidence they just so happened to meet that point in the genocide checklist?
Israelis know Hamas perpetrated genocide against them on 10/7, and they’ll do what they need to do to prevent a repeat. Anyone here criticizing Israel without demanding real actions to stop Hamas will continue to be ignored. Twist my words all you want, show over and over and over again you have no idea what “genocide” actually means, whatever. Nobody cares.
Nor should they.
Call us again when the embittered sore losers in the ANC file genocide charges against Hamas. Until then, nobody need believe they care anything at all about genocide in the Middle East.
...Israelis know Hamas perpetrated genocide against them on 10/7, and...
if killing 1200 is a genocide, do we get to invent a new word for killing 24,000 and counting?
@63
Bingo.
it is NOT
as some here
are quick to argue
fucking Justice.
nor is it Justified
nor even Justifyable
tho their Efforts Herculean
@above
oh Lookit
You wormmy!
going on and on
and on and on and
about how only You here
can possibly know the
One True definition
of GENOCIDE.
yet when one
reads tS one finds
the Writers here use
the term about as freely
(and Accurately) as I. perhaps
You’re in the Wrong Fucking place?
Yes.
Yes you Are.
I suggest going
where your shitty
ideas are more Accecptable
than this little publication which
you choose to Despise and yet Haunt
remember:
there is NO
Justification
For Terrorism.
EVER.
nyt:
Team Biden Needs
a Reset on
Israel
Back in 2001, in a visit to the illegal West Bank settlement of Ofra, an out-of-office Benjamin Netanyahu, apparently unaware he was being recorded, boasted to his hosts that “America is a thing you can move very easily — move it in the right direction.”
At the time, Mr. Netanyahu was talking about his experience with the Clinton White House; he had undermined Washington-led peace efforts during his first stint as Israel’s prime minister.
But more than 20 years later, Mr. Netanyahu’s assessment feels uncomfortably familiar.
Since the Biden administration pledged its early and unwavering support to Israel following Hamas’s Oct. 7 attacks, Mr. Netanyahu has repeatedly slow-walked Washington’s behind-the-scenes requests regarding the war, including that Israel use greater restraint in prosecuting its war in Gaza, avoid provoking a broader regional conflagration and work to forge a postwar path toward peace.
As a result, as the war has enteed its fourth month, the Biden administration has achieved almost none of its goals regarding Israeli policies and actions.
More than 23,000 Palestinian civilians, including over 10,000 children, have been killed so far, according to the Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry, and the threat of mass starvation and disease looms.
Israel’s government has rejected any horizon for peace, and, after an initial pause in fighting and a hostage/prisoner exchange, such talks seem now to be at an impasse.
The only “success” the United States can claim is in its steadfast support for Israel. And yet the unconditional nature of that backing stands in the way of any prospect of achieving its other policy goals and finding a path out of this horror.
--by Daniel Levy
1/17/ 24
Mr. Levy is the president of the U.S./Middle
East Project and a former Israeli peace negotiator.
tonnes More:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/17/opinion/biden-israel-war-washington.html
none Dare call it
Genocide: we
Don’t wanna
Anger the
Grammar
"Nazis."
@63: No, you get to use the actual definition of genocide, the one written into international law — and it does not require the killing of even a single human being. Widespread rape and genital mutilations suffice, as Hamas did in Israel on 10/7.
What genocide — like any other crime — also requires is intent, and merely pointing at a body count does not establish that. You need to show the IDF is killing Palestinians just to kill them, in an attempt to end them as a people. In reality, Palestinians as a group do not fall under the actual definition of genocide, and Israel is killing Hamas in Gaza, to prevent another genocide. Hamas is using civilians in Gaza as human shields against the IDF. That is why the body count is so high. Start reducing Hamas’ abilities to commit genocide, and to use civilians as human shields. Those actions, if successful for long enough, will reduce the body count. (In case you hadn’t noticed, fabricating your own definition of genocide, and whining at Israel about it, hasn’t had any effect at all on the situation in Gaza.)
ok
Wormmy.
in Your definition
Only HAMAS can be Guilty
of Genocide. @63 was in Fact correct.
bugger Off.
meanwhile
the Conflagration
continues to Escalate
Thanks to the complicit.
thanks
Wormtongue.
Velcomenn to
Armageddon
everyone.
@59 and 62 Congratulations, you just admitted that Israel can't win the war against Hamas. If they can't go into the tunnels, they will never remove Hamas from Gaza. The IDF will never find all of the entrances from the surface--that's the nature of the beast.
If they can go into the tunnels at some unspecified future time when they still don't know where the booby traps etc. are, they presumably can also do that now.
Re: concealing weapons. So what you're saying is that anyone who, by nature of their clothing, could be concealing weapons is a legitimate target for the IDF? And also that most of the common clothing worn by Gazan civilians could conceal a weapon? Gosh, how did we end up with so many civilian casualties anyway? Weren't you the one who got all up in arms when I said that the IDF's practical rules of engagement said they could shoot any Palestinian at any time? Seems like you just said they could.
@69
wormmy's
been assaulting
us with his Pedantric
diatribes for seemingly decades
but really
he just wants
to get us to Armageddon ASAP
apparently.
so how's he
doing so
far?
are we
There yet?
Doug dear, three Safeways, a PCC, and a QFC (along with various markets geared towards specific immigrant communities) does not a "food desert" make - especially when you consider the Grocery Outlet in Skyway and the Safeway, Fred Meyer and Wal-Mart on Rainier Ave in Renton.
My point was that all the chi-chi places like Metropolitan Market and hipster places like Trader Joe's and Amazon Fresh are non-existent in the neighborhood. I'm not sure why, for there's plenty of money in the neighborhood when you include places like Seward Park and Mount Baker. Even dumb old Beacon Hill is getting pretty fancypants these days. I think the corporate marketing people just assume that it's because they believe the conventional line of thought that it's just a "poor, non-white" neighborhood.
Oops, I forgot to mention the most important point: The Safeway/Kroger merger could be disastrous for consumers in the valley (and in Renton). If they started closing stores, either because of "monopoly concerns" or just to be cheap, that really might create a "food desert" scenario.
wherethe fuck's
all the damn
WINCO's
Seattle?
employee-owned!*
so maybe tS's readership
might open one* up themselves?
I hear y'all's just a big Bunch of Commies
*Dyn-o-mite Prices!
*or twenty-five
@67: It’s not my definition of genocide; I’m merely quoting the actual definition of genocide, as defined by the international community, and the explanatory material on the UN’s web site. (In case you missed it, this definition of genocide is what the ICC will use if it pursues the ANC’s charge of genocide against Israel — an action you applauded. You don’t even know what you advocate!)
And yes, by quoting that definition and applying it to known facts on the ground, Hamas perpetrated genocide in Israel in Israel on 10/7. (This answer’s your girlfriend’s angry question: we’re still talking about 10/7 because we care about stopping genocide.)
You don’t just get to pick your own meanings for the words you use. Ask George Orwell for details.
@78: “Sounds like the definition could stand to be updated for the times we live in to better reflect the international community's understanding of it.”
“The international community’s understanding of it,” is the one the international community wrote into international law. As I already noted, under this actual definition of genocide, Hamas perpetrated genocide against Israel on 10/7, and Israel has since been preventing Hamas from attempting another genocide. You can disagree with Israel’s methods, but that is their motivation. I happen to think preventing genocide is more important than many other things, and you’re free to disagree with me on that.
@79: Again, I have quoted and cited the source I have used for my definition, and it is exactly the definition the international community has freely chosen to write into international law.
Words mean things. If everything is genocide, then nothing is — and I happen to think genocide is pretty important. Again, you’re free to disagree with me on that.
@74 Dude, you said that "QFC and Safeway are pretty much the only games in town" but now you're telling me that there are a ton of options in Rainier Valley. Make up your mind.
"You
don’t just get to
pick your own mean-
ings for the words you use."
@--Wormtongue sans
even the Slightest
traces of Irony.
oh my
Stars!
good one,
Wormy!
@69
yeah
Wormmy's
doin' God's
Work, ain't he?
&
the
Hits
just Keep
on a' Comin'.
@83: The main irony deficit here comes from @64, where you claim the Stranger (and you) gets to use the word “genocide” however you wish, and those of us who know the actual meaning just need to shut up and go away.
This is essentially what your girlfriend said about anyone who dares mention the rape and mutilation of women on 10/7. (You know, actual genocide, under the real definition of the word.)
How’s that all working out for you guys?
well
Wormtongue
we're Hardly Alone:
most of the fucking
Planet can see that Murder
on a Biblical Scale is either Gen-
ocide or will Soon Be . and your little
Pedantic Gymnastics'll go a Long Ways in
Assuring
Israel's ultimate
Demise. well played
Wormtongue. O! & happy Armageddon.
but
at Least
you're keeping
BiBi outta Prison.
so there's
that Too.
Doug dear, Let's recap Our Little Exchange:
I expressed concern about the merger
You said "It's pretty easy to avoid Kroger/Safeway in Seattle. PCC, Central Co-op, Met Market, or even Trader Joes are better options."
I replied that QFC and Safeway are "about the only games in town" in the valley.
You said that it's a poor neighborhood that's why it's a food desert
I pushed back saying that the valley is not a food desert, with it's three Safeways, one QFC, one PCC and numerous small markets - as well as more Safeways and Kroegers in Renton, and made the point that if they are allowed to merge and are either required to close stores or close stores in the name of efficiency, that could create a situation where there are less stores, less competition, and higher prices - and the glamour stores that you apparently think are on every corner will not be in the valley anytime soon.
It's really not a difficult concept to grasp.
Or is it?
@86: You left out “US helplessly embroiled in spreading regional conflict” in the middle, and, “earth spins out of its orbit” at the end, but otherwise, it’s up to your usual standards. B+
@16 Catalina Vel-DuRay: Thank you and bless you for so consistently telling it like it is. SLOG needs more commenters like you.
@52 Rickety Racketeer: Dude. Stop chugging the MAGA Kool-Aid. FOX TeeVee causes brain cancer.
@69: No thanks, raindrop dear. Every time I see a comment made by teenieweenie I just scroll past.
Dude must have serious lead poisoning in his tap water.
@1 Max Solomon for the WIN, and comment of the YEAR!! +1 Agreed and seconded.
"You
don’t just get to
pick your own mean-
ings for the words you use."
“there
Is NO justify-
cation for Terrorism.
EVER.”
emphasis
mine all mine
but Yeah!
"You
don’t just get to
pick your own mean-
ings for the words you use."
way to bring that
convo Fool
Circle.
thnx!
you might wanna
quit whilst you-
’re behind.
& yeah
auntie Gee!
scrolling past
the venom & vile
projections's the Only
way to Go. I do Concur
@92 kristofarian: +1 Agreed. Personally, I may have finally shut him up by referring to him as teenieweenie.
Dude's all for endless heated arguments and no sense.
My guess is that he's 14 going on 40, terminally bored, and mad as hell that he still can't legally drive or vote.
@92: Yeah, but the problem with “genocide,” “terrorism,” and other words always meaning anything you want, is that ultimately they’ll mean nothing at all.
And I’m very proud to speak against you doing that.
Good night.
@92
was directed
directley at @61:
in spite of your
incessant Whinings and your
overly-endowed sense of Entitlement
You Don't getta have
it both fucking ways.
sorry olde man!
ya Know
tentsey I'm
seriously NOT
"worried" about
fucking Genocide
losing its fucking Punch
that there're
Albotrosses bringing
about the End of Humanity
for What
fucking REASON?
is what's got
Me concerned.
"but otherwise, it’s
up to your usual
standards. B+"
dude.
You're
Unwell.
truly
Sorry.
get Better.
oh
and when
they started calling
Climate Activists "Ecco-
Terrorists"* they diluted the
word down below Zero. sad.
*they'd burned
a few unoccupied
homes under construction
& possibly destroyed some equipment
but perhaps I'm misremembering an Edward
Abbey book and conflating the two. ah, the mind!
speaking
of Owning
the Language
[the means of communiction]:
When Yemen
Does It It's Terrorism
When The US Does It
It's "The Rules-Based Order"
by Caitlin Johnstone; Jan. 17, 2024
oodles more:
https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/when-yemen-does-it-its-terrorism
care to hazard a guess
on Who Writes
The Rules?
@97: Yeah, you’re right; anything as high as a “B” wasn’t warranted by your actual performance, but in the age of special snowflakes and participation trophies, grades just get inflated sometimes.
(Also, I wouldn’t want you to go bawling to Johnstone; the most she would do is hit you, and I was very afraid for you — specifically, that you’d enjoy it far too much.)
Ashley, the next time you're doing a tribute to honoring Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. on MLK Jr. Day would you be so kind as to have his photographed image be the main photo of your TS news article instead of a recycled blowup of the Orange Turd?
Are you among the DJT's organized crime fan base? If so, what exactly do you expect to gain if GOP neofascism reclaims the White House?