well were they being bitches?

So five pro-Palistine protesters locked themselves together and vowed to stay that way until UW met their demands… and then left a few hours later, after none of their demands were met.

I do hope the protestors are charged with vandalism and are forced to pay for the clean up of their "free speech". What they did is childish and ridiculous. If they are students they should also be suspended for the remainder of the term.

5 students at the UW thought their little protest would be taken seriously.
Isn’t that cute?

@5. whatever, good for them.

I miss being young and thinking things mattered.

"Academically divest from Israel" - free speech for me, but not for thee.

I predict a short lifespan for the "Smart Signs"

nihilism for thee but not for me!

The HUB is the STUDENT UNION building - your fellow students can't do jack about your quixotic demands. Go protest at Gerberding if you want to be seen. It's right off Red Square, ding dongs.

And thanks for markering up the wood panels. They're likely ruined.

@9 " If nothing matters then why exist? "

I was born without my consent and now I'm just sticking around for spite

"I'll say it—I'm in favor of the nanny state"

Quelle surprise

I support WCK and love how they feed hungry people wherever they are, no matter who they are or what the circumstances are, but I do find the points in this video made to be worthy of consideration.

Why Palestinians don't trust World Central Kitchen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp6vPsMc2l4

I think the deal with the US was we'll pretend to let aid in and then Israel fucked up by murdering 7 people being used in their PR stunt. Now people are pissed, Biden's been forced to pretend he gives a shit about the Palestinians in Gaza being starved to death and Israel's been forced to open up routes of aid to make up for their "mistake."

As for how I'm feeling:
Lowkey - Dreamers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qlb2wAEfxY

Oh and the earthquake in NJ, felt in MD/NYC and NYS/PA/NH is total insanity. Thankfully, I have never experienced an earthquake. The one in Seattle in February 2001 happened a over a year before I moved to Seattle. No earthquakes when I lived in Seattle. Now, living on the Oregon coast, I hope to die before the big one hits and wipes it all out.

politicians are bitch made. are they mad someone pointed it out

@14, having seen what goes on around here, I seriously doubt I would've

Ah Stranger, Stranger, Stranger. Have you forgotten what happened 30 years ago today in the house by the lake?

@21
Those truly were the good old days in grungy Seattle!

From the Daily coverage of the glorious protest at the HUB - https://www.dailyuw.com/news/university-allows-pro-palestinian-protesters-to-occupy-hub-overnight/article_5b7f34d6-f3bd-11ee-b12b-f7fef8fdf2b6.html

“Shortly after, without being provoked, an individual participating in the protest approached The Daily’s photographers issuing the “one and only warning” that if a camera were pointed in the direction of any protesters, they would not hesitate to “destroy their gear.”

Increased hostility towards members of The Daily’s staff continued throughout the evening, with participants demanding the media leave on several occasions. On one occasion a participant took a photo of staff members saying “you all looking f*king pathetic.” When asked what they intended to do with the image the individual replied, “It’s actually just for me so I can look at your ugly f*king faces and see what cowards you are.”

Immediately after, another member nearby asked, “So have you all thought about leaving?”

The Daily made the decision to exit the building just after 12:30 a.m.”

Winning hearts and minds (I hope these idiots are prosecuted to the fullest for threatening journalists and destroying UW property)

@2 That's the difference between the Right and the Left. There are times when kids on the Left will realize they are wrong, and try to fade away. Idiots on the Right mostly double-down and dig in.

@25: Well, I wish that would start happening on this issue, because so far what we’ve seen from the left has been an unhealthy stew of meaningless performative stunts, chronic and flagrant abuse of the word “genocide,” rape-denial, and rising anger at everyone else for daring to disagree.

thank you for reminding us
how gee dubya called the
Massive Protests - World-
wide re the War on Iraq
"focus groups" mean-
ing just another "per-
formative stunt." not
bad for a "Repub-
lican" wormmy.

END the Genocide &
let the grammar
nazis suffer
no more.

two readers’ comments on the nyt’s

How
Gaza Protesters
Are Challenging Democratic Leaders

From President Biden to the mayors of small cities, Democrats have been trailed by demonstrators who are complicating the party’s ability to campaign in an election year.

the comments:

This is an extremely serious threat to Biden’s election prospects in the fall. It honestly baffles me how he and his administration have so misread the political headwinds here.

People are outraged and disgusted by the grotesque violence and, frankly, outright war crimes taking place in Gaza—we’re all seeing it with our own eyes.

Given the stakes of this election, Biden needs to listen to the will of his voters and finally act—stop the flow of arms and money to Israel until there’s a permanent ceasefire, Netanyahu is gone, and Israel accepts that a two state solution is the only possible solution.

However, in an election that will be decided by 10,000 votes in a couple of states, I fear it might be too little too late.

And to preempt the commenters—I’m Jewish, what Hamas did on 10/7 was despicable, Israel has a right to exist and defend itself, but they don’t have a right to kill innocent civilians as retribution.

Anti-Zionism is
not antisemitism
and equating the two
does more harm than good.
-- William James; Philadelphia

[re-formatting
for clarity
all mine]

and:

Fervently protest U.S. support for the unforgivable devastation and massacre of civilians by the Israeli government in Gaza. Rail against the continued arms sales, despite what appears to be undeniable crimes against humanity.

Call for long-overdue fundamental change in U.S. policy in the Middle East. Demand an end to our subservience to the military-industrial complex, a subservience that transcends party affiliation.

While doing so, try to remember the war crimes and torture perpetrated by Republicans George W. Bush and Dick Cheney.

Then, in November, if you care about the lives of Palestinians, vote for Biden. If you help Trump be elected, Palestinians can kiss Gaza goodbye forever.

The whole place will be razed to the ground and replaced with casinos, luxury condos and a golf course. If you think Biden doesn't care about the lives of Palestinians, wait till you see what Trump and Kushner will do.
--Joe; New York

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/07/us/politics/democrats-israel-gaza-protesters.html#commentsContainer

looks like
so far we gotta
vote for the lesser

to keep the very
Worst away

great ‘Choice’!
and Thanks!
“D”NC.

where’s the
Fucking MOTIVATION
other than Fear that is?
(say isn’t that a “Republican”
Strategy?) [Why, YES, it surely fucking IS.]

Thanks!
Again!
‘d’nc.

@29

ah
Yes
the Proud
Boys ever and
Always Models
of Decorum. What
Was it they always Chant?

ah, yes:

"JEWS SHALL
NOT REPLACE US!"

"JEWS SHALL
NOT REPLACE US!"

"JEWS SHALL
NOT REPLACE US!"

your glorification
of "fine people!" ac-
cording to both You
dewey & El trumpster
is all we need to know
of you dewey. however

I beg to differ.

@2, @3, @11, @24:

In my perfect world, the five protesters would be chained together outside the HUB until that day comes when the UW Administration has indeed granted all of their demands — or until all of the protesters have paid for the cost of cleaning and restoring the HUB. Because solidarity! ;-)

@27: Glad to see even you finally understand your terrible optics from the company you’re keeping, and that (end of @28) threatening Biden’s re-election is worse than useless for Gazans. Good luck getting the Stranger to accept that much reality!

speaking of Genocide
War Crimes and complicity
here’s the top reader’s comment on nyt’s

Israel
Is Making
the Same Mistake
America Made in Iraq
[by David French]

“It seems worth pointing out that the opposition to Israel’s response in Gaza to the horrors of October 7 were prescient and correct.

People said from the go that whatever justification Israel felt in seeking retribution, it will do so at huge civilian loss of life.

People also said, correctly, that Netanyahu had no interest in merely fighting Hamas militants. His goal, for decades, has been to grind Palestinian society to dust.

And so he and coalition have sought to do just that.
Opponents saw all this coming.

And, like with the Iraq debacle, they were smeared and labeled unserious. They were condemned on campuses and in the streets. They were portrayed as wild-eyed “lefty” activists.

And they were right. Israel has not obtained a stable peace, its standing globally is in tatters, and Gazans are immiserated.”
-- WDM; OH

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/07/opinion/israel-iraq-gaza-civilians.html#commentsContainer

there’s fine War Criminals
on both sides, eh?

@33
ah, yes -- the
Good little nazis.

thanks!

@32: Israel does not seek “retribution” upon Gaza for Hamas’ genocidal attacks of 10/7. Rather, Israel seeks to prevent further genocidal attacks, by destroying Hamas. We in the rest of the world can either help Israel destroy Hamas, or we can watch as the IDF does it alone. One of those two courses of action is likely to bring the war to an end sooner, and so those of us who want the war to end sooner have been advocating for the world to help destroy Hamas. Destroying a genocidal organization is a pretty good idea anyway, which is another reason we advocate for it.

Those of you who are not serious about stopping genocide can continue on as you have for the past six months. How’s that working out for you?

so True wormmy:
nutnyahoo & Co're
gonna rid Palestine of
every last Hamas even if
they gotta Kill EVERY LAST
Gazan and'll feel not the Least
bit of "remorse" -- 'speially if/When
they get all that Free Land bibi so Covets

you gotta miss the dick CHENEY
and his lil sidekick gee duba
two more War Criminals

butwhattabout OUR Complicity
in bombing Gaza to smither-
eens? doesn't That make
US war criminals too?

or just our Bombs*
and shit we've
sent to clear
all the Land

can we not at least
hold our Bombs
accountable?

one more query:
ARE two-thousand pound
Bunker Bustin' Bombs WMDs?

does it make a Difference
whether one is the
Maker or the
Recipient?

does the Definition
vary Depending
on whom the
Victim is?

*all Proudly
stamped with
the 'Made in USA'
logo, adored by War
Criminals Genocidal Maniacs
& Massacring Madmen Everywhere.

@40: “does the Definition
vary Depending
on whom the
Victim is?”

Did Hamas commit genocide in Israel on 10/7?

those Terrorists?
some peeps may call
massacring 1,300 Jews a
Genocide' do those same
people call it That, too when Israel
massacres 35,000 Gazans in Retaliation*?

*or do they have a Better,
less Accustory/more
Palatable term?

oh balls
Not Again:

nyt: Southwest Plane
Makes Emergency Landing
After Boeing Engine Cover Falls Off

The plane returned safely to Denver on Sunday after the crew reported that the cover came apart during takeoff and struck a wing flap. No injuries were reported.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/07/business/southwest-boeing-engine-takeoff.html

at least the’ve got
Bombs*-making
to fall Back
Onto.

say, that reminds me: did
that Boeing engine
cover land upon
Anyone?

*anyone
Important?

@41: So, do you change your definition of “genocide” based on victim, perpetrator, or both? Because your impotent inability even to decide if Hamas committed genocide sits oddly with your oft-repeated definite claim that Israel has.

Also, as I’ve pointed out to you already, on a per-day basis, Hamas’ killed 3-4 times as many as has Israel, and would still be killing at that rate if the IDF hadn’t stopped them. So if your morality is as numbers-based as you imply, your condemnation goes exactly the wrong way.

(Oh, and some proof Israel acts out of “retaliation,” would be great, as the simpler explanation says they’re just trying to prevent Hamas from committing more rapes, murders, and overall genocide.)

I was a Night/Weekend Manager at the Iowa Memorial Union (University of Iowa) for three years, and later did an internship at the HUB. Protests like that are pretty par for the course, and are nothing compared to some of the stuff that went on in the 60’s.

It gives me the giggles when groups like this call for the UW to “divest” from Boeing. Boeing is a YUGE donor to Boeing, and hires hundreds of UW grads each year. They’re not going anywhere.

Oops, that should read “ Boeing is a YUGE donor to the UW”.

Mrs Vel-DuRay regrets the error.

@lucky 44:
momentarily
thought you said
'Boeing was a YUGE boner
to Boeing' and had to Agree:

the beans counters've
totes fucked the
Stakesholders

speaking of
beanscounters:

@43
So how many
Oct.Sevens has
Israel committed
against the Gazans?

36,000 divided by 1,300
equals = 27.692 which
we can round up to
to TWENTY-EIGHT
October Sevenths

so
Far

and with bibi
propping up Hamas
for all those YEARS and
now's gonna get EVERY LAST ONE

with OUR
Complicity:

Biden's Electing
El trumpfster.

@45ish

Not to Worry!:
Boeing’s
ON TOP
Of it!:

Boeing
Execs Sneak Into
Museum of Flight to
See What A Safe 737 Looked Like

Boeing Board Chair Larry Kellner
was disappointed the museum
didn’t cover his favorite parts
of the history of flight.

“I don’t see a single display
about outsourcing, or the
greatest stock buybacks
in history,” Kellner said,
looking bored. “But it’s
fine, I’m not really
a planes guy.”

more, ridiculously:
https://theneedling.com/2024/04/03/boeing-execs-sneak-into-museum-of-flight-to-see-what-a-safe-737-looked-like/

@46: Congratulations on finally learning how to use a calculator! (Those four functions certainly amaze, do they not?)

If Hamas had gone on killing Israelis at the rate they did on 10/7, then after 6 months (~180 days), the total of dead in Israel would have been ~ 234,000, or 6.5 times as many as the total (civilians and Hamas) killed in Gaza since then. So, by your adding-machine morality, Hamas is 6.5 times as bad as the IDF. Whatever. And all of this simply ignores everything Hamas has done to increase the death toll in Gaza, e.g. building tunnels under civilian infrastructure.

(Of course, you didn't factor in the number of rapes, because rape is not really something you'd consider a crime at all, is it?)

yeah
wormmy
I’ve not noticed
your rapal intolerance
for ‘thee most moral military’:

Palestinians
‘beaten and sexually assaulted’
at Israeli detention centres, UN report claims

Internal analysis by UNRWA, based on interviews with released Palestinians, describes dog attacks and the prolonged use of stress positions

more Israeli abuses:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/05/gazan-detainees-beaten-and-sexually-assaulted-at-israeli-detention-centres-un-report-claims

Freed Palestinian Prisoners
Say They Faced Torture
and Rape in Israeli
Jails

Israel’s renewed assault on Gaza came after Israel and Hamas completed a seventh exchange of captives. On Thursday, eight Israelis held by Hamas were released, while 30 Palestinians were freed from Israeli jails. Israel’s government says it believes Hamas still holds 137 hostages kidnapped during the October 7 attacks.

Newly freed Palestinians report suffering torture and sexual assault. This is Baraah Abo Ramouz, a Palestinian journalist who spoke after his release from an Israeli jail Thursday.

Baraah Abo Ramouz: “The situation in the prisons is devastating. The prisoners are abused. They are being constantly beaten. They’re being sexually assaulted. They are being raped. I’m not exaggerating. The prisoners are being raped.”

more, disturbingly:
https://www.democracynow.org/2023/12/1/headlines/freed_palestinian_prisoners_say_they_faced_torture_and_rape_in_israeli_jails

Palestinians
Detained at Israeli Prison
Report Severe Violence and Abuse by Guards

As arrests of Palestinians proliferate amid Gaza war, testimonies are emerging from Megiddo Prison of severely inhumane conditions, which human rights groups have brought to the attorney general's attention; Israel Prison Service says it is 'investigating'

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-12-31/ty-article/.premium/palestinians-detained-at-israeli-prison-report-severe-violence-and-abuse-by-guards/0000018c-bee3-d45c-a98e-bfef72230000

well
wormmy
where’s Your outrage?

@49: First, I’ve never claimed the IDF was “thee [sic] most moral military,” that’s a straw man boatgeek assembled so he could beat it in frustration at his constantly losing here. What I have said is that the IDF isn’t in Gaza simply to kill everyone they can, whereas that was why Hamas invaded Israel.

Second, if UNRWA (!) is your primary source of information on Israel, AFTER Israel outed some UNRWA employees as having provided material support for Hamas (!!), that really takes your gullibility to a whole new level. (Where’s the New York Times now?!?)

Third, while we’re waiting for a source not connected to Hamas, or otherwise opposed to Israel destroying Hamas, I shall ask: where’s the rape-denial? Where’s the gentle, tolerant, patient understanding that rapes just happen in war? You have a few months for that, don’t you?

The difference is these allegations will be investigated, not denied. We’ll see what the evidence shows, and if any of this is validated, the persons responsible should be punished. None of that will happen for the rape victims of 10/7. Ever.

'So,
by your
adding-machine
morality, Hamas is
6.5 times as bad as the IDF.'

let's say Hamas has Killed
THIRTY FIVE THOUSAND
Israelis and Israel's killed
1,300 Gazans. would that
be Proportional Enough
for You Wormtongue?

arguing For Genocide
doesn't bode Well
with Oppressed
human beings
ANYwhere.

yet
here
you Are.

@52: Oh look, just like that, morality suddenly stopped being a numbers game. All it took was placing those numbers in context! (Nobody could have predicted.)

“let's say Hamas has Killed
THIRTY FIVE THOUSAND
Israelis and Israel's killed
1,300 Gazans.”

Even then, you’d still say the Israelis have committed “genocide,” but that Hamas had merely committed a “massacre,” amirite? That’s where you were going with this, correct? That numbers are merely facts, and mere facts cannot change your opinions.