“using munitions and, likely, US-made bombs”

Munitions AND bombs, huh? They musta been pretty pissed.

Hassan Nasrallah wasn't a "leader", he was a really horrible relentless terrorist who killed thousands.

How is that sweet talking of Netanyahu to de-escalate working out for you all?

I hope the warmongers in our midst are enlisting to go fight Bibi's genocidal wars.

Four ways climate change likely made Hurricane Helene worse
Climate change makes the strongest hurricanes stronger, increases rainfall, increases storm surge damage through sea level rise, and increases the probability of rapid intensification events.

Helene’s landfall gives the U.S. a record eight Cat 4 or Cat 5 Atlantic hurricane landfalls in the past eight years (2017-2024), seven of them being continental U.S. landfalls. That’s as many Cat 4 and 5 landfalls as occurred in the prior 57 years. The only comparable beating the U.S. has taken from Category 4 and 5 landfalling hurricanes occurred in the six years from 1945 to 1950, when five Category 4 hurricanes hit South Florida.
https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2024/09/four-ways-climate-change-likely-made-hurricane-helene-worse/

@3: “How is that sweet talking of Netanyahu to de-escalate working out for you all?”

It’s working out just peachy now that Hassan Nasrallah has been schwacked! Just think, it’s a beautiful morning in Seattle, and Hassan Nasrallah is dead! 🌈☀️

What’s up with you? Still observing the Supreme Leader’s three days of mourning? 😁

@3
And I hope the pro-Hamas crowd is, at the very least donating every spare cent to relief efforts in Gaza. (I won’t hold my breathe)
If they cared as much as they claim to, they’d already be there working with aid organizations.

"Top Hamas commander killed in Lebanon was a UN employee on administrative leave, UNRWA says"

So now the UN admits they can't screen their employees to maintain their supposed neutrality.

They can't keep their facilities secure from combatant's use either.

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/top-hamas-commander-killed-in-lebanon-was-a-un-employee-on-administrative-leave-unrwa-says/

NOBODY FIRED. NOBODY DISCIPLINED. Taxpayers out $25 million. Will this make Ashely's Bad Apples column?

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/law-justice/wa-to-pay-25-million-in-evergreen-students-carbon-monoxide-death/

Employees negligently ignored and disconnected a f*ing carbon monoxide alarm and told residents to go back into the Evergreen supplied housing.

That would require Ashley looking at issues in a broader context and totality. Nope, ain't gonna happen.

"...Netanyahu gave the go-ahead to bomb the secret underground complex where Nasrallah was from"?

He grew up in a secret underground complex?

@4, By the U.N.'s own climate model, if the world magically went carbon neutral tomorrow, the planet will be 1/3 of 1 degree cooler, 76 years from now.

We can't be carbon neutral tomorrow. Probably not even if 76 years. Closer, perhaps, but not neutral.

Since you won't likely be alive to experience the hardly noticeable effects of 1/3 of 1 degree less temperature in 76 years, and likely wouldn't notice much of a difference even if you were, what is the moral imperative to reduce emissions, at very noticeable impacts on you, and poor people in particular, today in hugely higher energy and other costs?

And I am not denying human caused climate change, or suggesting doing nothing. I am asking what the moral imperative is to address something that will hurt you now, and perhaps, maybe benefit others that may come after you are long dead?

It looks like the bad apples column is about police officers who are actively threatening public safety, not negligent facilities workers who fail to follow building code. Wouldn’t make any sense to cover that in a column about a completely different problem.

Horrific floods.
Great flood pic!
Ironically, we're gon-
na need Bigger Pickups.

@2 -- "I hope the
warmongers in our midst are
enlisting to go fight Bibi's genocidal wars."

they,
like AIPAC,
prefer to Work
from Home. it's a
much Easier commute.

@6: "And I hope the pro-Hamas crowd is, at the very least donating every spare cent to relief efforts in Gaza. ... If they cared as much as they claim to, they’d already be there working with aid organizations."

You know what's funny, I actually have worked in a Palestinian refugee camp, and I'm on here like, "Kill the goddamn terrorists as fast as humanly possible! Hit them hard and don't let up!"

Your daily reminder that Hamas does not give a single solitary fuck about the Palestinian people and is just as complicit in everything going on as Israel is. Hamas is not, and will never be, the "good guys."

@12: I don't follow...

@12
sorry!
that quote
was from @4.

"... he was a really horrible relentless
terrorist who killed thousands."
--@2

yeah.
that's just
bibi being bibi.

let the
Nuremberg Trials
begin. post fucking Haste.

@16
or Armageddon.
whichever comes first.

@6 and you and the other people all worked up about terrorists infringing on Israel's right to exist should be volunteering with the IDF right?

Here's the website: https://www.idf.il/en/mini-sites/how-to-join-us-and-voluntary-programs/volunteer-programs/

@4 and @10 - So why isn't there more outrage from the left over cryptocurrency and blockchain mining and its huge use of water and electricity? Those industries have their supporters both in the establishment right and the establishment left. The villains are really not those of us buying gas powered cars and trucks.

"Kill the goddamn terrorists
as fast as humanly possible!
Hit them hard and don't let up!"
--@6

you wanna Nuke
Israel? sure ya
wanna Go
there?

oh, right --
Welcome to
Armageddon.

@11, "Actively threatening". What she describes hardly fits the bill of actively threatening.

How is disconnecting carbon monoxide alarms and sending people back into a gas filled house, not actively threatening?

Her refrain is nobody got fired, disciplined, or the discipline was inadequate. What should the discipline be for actively sending people into a gas chamber to die and costing $25 million.

Maybe employees aren't fired or disciplined, not because they are cops, but because they are public employees and public employees under the 14th and 5th Amendments aren't "at will" employees that can be fired for any (non-racial, non-disability) reason, or no reason at all, such as in the private sector? Disciplining and firing public employees is the issue, not disciplining particular classes of employees.

As long as public employees use the power of being the landlord to kill, rather than some act or omission while enforcing the law, it's O.K. The dead are somehow less dead. $25 million wasn't taken from providing life changing and life extending higher education to citizens. Got it.

@15, That means you undershood Kristo's words correctly. You aren't alone in not following his disjointed non-sequitur.

@19: To be fair, climate change was utterly rampant long before cryptocurrency was invented. People who buy gas-powered cars and trucks are not INDIVIDUALLY the villains, but COLLECTIVELY gas-powered transportation emits vastly more climate-changing carbon than crypto does. (Don't blame this individual villain, though, I drive a Tesla! 😄)

And to be even fairer, just about environmental organization in America is up in arms about crypto. It's not like these people are asleep at the switch.

@21

"How is disconnecting carbon monoxide alarms
and sending people back into a gas filled
house, not actively threatening?"

and

"What should the discipline be
for actively sending people
into a gas chamber to die
and costing $25 million."

once again:
Nuremberg Trials.
and Popcorn. LOTS of it.

@23, Your Tesla is not carbon neutral. It's better than an IC car, but its not carbon neutral. It took carbon to mine the components in the batteries, carbon to manufacture the batteries and car, carbon to deliver the materials, and carbon for some of the electrical charging. It creates a toxic disposal problem with those batteries.

All of our consumption choices have carbon consequences. There isn't any free lunch.

21, dude, it’s a column about bad cops. That’s the theme. I understand this makes you cry but if you want to read a column about negligent government staffers you can write it yourself, though it sounds like these guys are getting their due anyway. Unlike the menaces to public safety Ashley covers.

@18
Did my time in uniform 30 years ago.
Israel and Hamas can keep killing each other until there is no one left on either side.
I’m not a fan of either.

Somebody should compile a list of the multimillionaires / billionaires living near Commencement Bay who have birthdays on the date of the annual guerilla fireworks show.

@19, google:

https://earthjustice.org/feature/cryptocurrency-mining-environmental-impacts

https://grc.studentorg.berkeley.edu/the-sustainability-of-bitcoin-and-its-impact-on-the-environment/

https://www.whitehouse.gov/ostp/news-updates/2022/09/08/fact-sheet-climate-and-energy-implications-of-crypto-assets-in-the-united-states/

(crypto is also a pyramid scheme masquerading as a currency but that’s another matter altogether)

from Democracy Now:

“Israel’s
Barbaric Glee over
Nasrallah’s Assassination Is
a New Low for Israeli Society”
--Gideon Levy

Amy Goodman: You have Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, ascending the podium at the U.N. General Assembly. Apparently right after, he gave the go-ahead for the assassination of Nasrallah.

Right before he came up on the podium, dozens of world leaders walked out. If you can talk about the significance of this decision and then the bombing of Yemen and, of course, the continuation of the assault on Gaza?

Gideon Levy: You know, Amy, listening to your program is enough. Israel is shooting here, and Israel is assassinating there, and Israel is bombing here, and Israel is bombing there. Where are we aiming to? I mean, all those operations might be [inaudible], to them, are justified. But what comes next?

This thought that Israel can solve everything by force and that war is always the first answer for everything must change, because, otherwise, we will really find ourselves one day totally lonely in the world.

Even the United States, which supports Israel still blindly and automatically — and I must emphasize on your show that the United States is a full partner for everything that Israel is doing in the last year, including the massacre in Gaza — even the United States will wake up one day. And then what?

oodles More on the
Genocidal War YOUR*
Tax Dollars’re paying for:

https://www.democracynow.org/2024/9/30/israel_assassinates_hezbollah_leader_nasrallah

“And then What?”

ah
maybe
Armaegeddon?

*Gleefully!

@10- what you probably should be asking is, how much warmer will the planet be in 76 years if we don’t go carbon neutral now? The answer is a bunch. And you won’t like it. Also, a big part of the reason your Tesla is not carbon neutral is that the power used to power the factories that are making it is still coming from fossil fuels. Once that system is electrified and working on renewable energy, the car, like everything else we produce, will be one hell of a lot closer to carbon neutral.

Also, all of these flooding pictures from Florida have to be fake news. We all know there’s no climate change in red states. I bet George Soros paid some illegal immigrants to photoshop pictures from Bangladesh to look like Florida.

@27: "Did my time in uniform 30 years ago. Israel and Hamas can keep killing each other until there is no one left on either side."

My, aren't you the enfant terrible of the internet! 🤪

"We all know there’s
no climate change
in red states."
--@dvs

them
Geniuses
Outlawed it
so they oughtta
be Fine (didja see
Desantos' thigh-high
Global Warming-hedging
beautiful White Boots? Sweet!).

@26, My point exactly.

The Stranger, selectively, and inconsistently, only cares about your tax dollars and mine being paid out because of bad decisions by public employees doing law enforcement. It only cares when the dead are killed by public safety employees, not any of the other public employees, even though the dollars are just as green, and the citizens are just as dead at the hands of state power.

People are just as dead, and the dollars just as green, but in your mind, and Ashley's, other public employees that kill are less of a menace.

@31, According to the U.N.'s own model, exactly 1/3 of 1 degree warmer. That isn't nothing, and shouldn't be ignored, but at what cost to human life. Driving up costs of energy, and slowing the proliferation of cheap, reliable electricity to the developing world, shortens life spans and kills, in the here and now.

'Israel laid siege on a Beirut suburb Friday with an "overwhelming air raid" using munitions and likely US-made bombs.'

A siege consists of circling an area (usually a fortress or city) with troops, preventing all entry and exit, and attempting to starve the inhabitants into surrendering. As Israel has no troops on the ground in Lebanon, I believe the hyperbolic statement the Stranger tried to make here was "laid waste to," although that would also be wrong. Israel used a series of bunker-buster bombs to penetrate the hardened shelter Hezbollah had built underneath a residential neighborhood. Hezbollah's use of the Lebanese civilians in that neighborhood as human shields made those civilians into legitimate military targets, and Hezbollah's use of hardened shelter made the Israeli use of force proportionate. Please go complain to Hezbollah about these civilian deaths.

If the Israelis used US-supplied bombs to take out the leaders of Hezbollah, then I consider that my tax money well spent.

@36:

The problem with "tak(ing) out the leaders of Hezbollah" is that as soon as we take out one, someone else is appointed as the new leader, and then we have to take THEM out too.

Lather, rinse, repeat ad infinitum - it just never ends, and meanwhile the pile of civilian "collateral damage" on both sides keeps getting higher and higher and higher...

@33
Well then.
You’ve really put me in my place haven’t you?
Don’t know if I’ll ever be able to recover from a taunting such as that.
On the other hand, that you give my words enough thought to be bothered by them is touching.
I’ll do my best to return the favor sometime.

... and now
We're sending
not just Precious
Treasure but Also
Troops. just to keep
one mf outta Prison?

our money
well spent

let the Deaths
spiral, baby.

@35: "According to the U.N.'s own model, exactly 1/3 of 1 degree warmer."

Ha ha ha! The Slog has recently seen a rash of commenters unable to successfully read UN documents, but you have achieved a new height in misapprehension. Here is a dumbed-down summary straight from the UN, the figure you want is Table SPM.1 on page 14, and the column you want is "Long term, 2081–2100":

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-temperature

Climate change! It's a whole thing! You might wanna read up on it!

@35, @40: Sorry, wrong link, here's the UN one:

https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg1/downloads/report/IPCC_AR6_WGI_SPM.pdf

35 it’s a column specifically about the police, presumably because they are a specific subset of public employees who are free to terrorize and kill the public with little to no fear of losing their job or facing justice. Tax dollars aren’t much of a concern when people don’t face justice or excessive civil payouts for reasons that should not require explanation.

If your hobbyhorse is negligent bus drivers or maintenance workers feel free to start a blog or something.

"Around 600 people in the area are missing. Those left in town are scrambling to find resources. The only WiFi is at the public library. The few open stores are only accepting cash, so the ATM line is an hour long. Gas stores are low. Meanwhile, the state is trying to get supplies in, but the roads are a mess. "

who needs
fucking Armageddon?
we've got Big Oil! drill, bitches.

fucking
Drill.

Earthlings've
put the Wrong People
in Charge whilst Money Rules.

the Universe'll
use US as the Textbook
for How to Destroy a Biosphere.

meanwhile, gleeful
Cockroaches
Rejoice.

@37: The last leader of Hezbollah was in that position for decades. It will take awhile for them to find someone else, and maybe the civilians in the north of Israel can return to their homes.

Perhaps Iran can have another revolution, throw the theocrats out of power, stop beating women at home, and stop funding terrorists abroad? That would probably work better than our current method, yes. But for now, there are pagers, walkie-talkies, and bunker-busters.

Terrorist sympathizers and anti-semites to my left! Climate deniers and holster-sniffers to my right! What the hell kind of website is this! 😀😀😀

UN General Assembly demands Israel end ‘unlawful presence’ in Occupied Palestinian Territory

With a recorded vote of 124 nations in favour, 14 against, and 43 abstentions, the resolution calls for Israel to comply with international law and withdraw its military forces, immediately cease all new settlement activity, evacuate all settlers from occupied land, and dismantle parts of the separation wall it constructed inside the occupied West Bank.

The General Assembly further demanded that Israel return land and other “immovable property”, as well as all assets seized since the occupation began in 1967, and all cultural property and assets taken from Palestinians and Palestinian institutions.

The resolution also demands Israel allow all Palestinians displaced during the occupation to return to their place of origin and make reparation for the damage caused by its occupation.

The resolution stems from the advisory opinion issued by the International Court of Justice (ICJ) in July, in which the Court declared that Israel’s continued presence in the Territory “is unlawful”, and that “all States are under an obligation not to recognize” the decades-long occupation.

Click here for the full text of the resolution and here for our live coverage of the meeting.
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Threat to peace and security

The Assembly “strongly deplored the continued and total disregard and breaches” by the Government of Israel of its obligations under the UN Charter, international law and UN resolutions, stressing that such breaches “seriously threaten” regional and international peace and security.

It also recognized that Israel “must be held to account for any violations” of international law in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including of international humanitarian and human rights laws.

The text says Israel “must bear the legal consequences of all its internationally wrongful acts, including by making reparation for the injury, including any damage, caused by such acts.”

The General Assembly highlighted the need for the establishment of an international mechanism for reparations to address damage, loss, or injury caused by Israel’s actions.

It also called for creating an international register of damage caused, to document evidence and related claims.
International conference

The resolution also includes a decision to convene an international conference during the Assembly’s current session to implement UN resolutions pertaining to the question of Palestine and the two-State solution for the achievement of a just, lasting and comprehensive peace in the Middle East.

Additionally, the Assembly requested the UN Secretary-General to present proposals for a mechanism to follow up on Israel’s violations of article 3 of the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination, as identified by the ICJ.

Article 3 refers to racial segregation and apartheid and the undertaking by International Convention’s States Parties to prevent, prohibit and eradicate all practices of this nature in territories under their jurisdiction.

@46 Among all these damning charges note the last 2 paragraphs:

Additionally, the Assembly requested the UN Secretary-General to present proposals for a mechanism to follow up on Israel’s violations of article 3 of the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination, as identified by the ICJ.

Article 3 refers to racial segregation and apartheid and the undertaking by International Convention’s States Parties to prevent, prohibit and eradicate all practices of this nature in territories under their jurisdiction.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/07/1152296

@13 oh, so you have heard about Palestinians after all, despite your complete silence about their having continuously occupied Palestine for at least 3700 years, which is much much longer than people who immigrated there ~100 years ago.

Why do you think Palestinians are in refugee camps? anything to do with terror and ethnic cleansing, as pointed out by UN human rights experts perhaps?

we put the
United Nations*
in our Backyard &
then IGNORE IT except
when it happens to Suit US.

seems like Not supporting
genicidal terroristic
members' actions
oughtta be Up
for a Vote by
Americans.

whose
'democracy''s
been bought & paid for
by whomever's Got the biggest Piles.

*NO Relation to
'Citizens United.'

@47 wrong UN link

Good one is: https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/09/1154496

@48: I was more interested in addressing your anti-semitic rants, less for your benefit (although you’re welcome) than the benefit of other readers: yes what you’re seeing is anti-semitism, and yes it’s wrong.

@31 Really good answer. If we don't radically decrease carbon emissions in short order, we will be well beyond unchartered territory by 2100, possibly on the verge of civilization collapse or even past it. Even more so, if not accounted for tipping points kick in like thawing of the permafrost, shutdown of the the thermohaline circulation, etc

During a year of extremes, carbon dioxide levels surge faster than ever
The two-year increase in Keeling Curve peak is the largest on record

June 6, 2024
—

Carbon dioxide is accumulating in the atmosphere faster than ever — accelerating on a steep rise to levels far above any experienced during human existence, scientists from NOAA and the Scripps Institution of Oceanography offsite link at the University of California San Diego announced today.
[..]
“Over the past year, we’ve experienced the hottest year on record, the hottest ocean temperatures on record and a seemingly endless string of heat waves, droughts, floods, wildfires and storms,” said NOAA Administrator Rick Spinrad, Ph.D. “Now we are finding that atmospheric CO2 levels are increasing faster than ever. We must recognize that these are clear signals of the damage carbon dioxide pollution is doing to the climate system, and take rapid action to cut fossil fuel use as quickly as we can.”
https://www.noaa.gov/news-release/during-year-of-extremes-carbon-dioxide-levels-surge-faster-than-ever

@30, Its interesting that you only object to the war in the Levant because U.S. tax dollars are involved. Absent the tax dollars, apparently you don't care.

@51 of course, facts are well known to be antisemitic

@24, The trial you speak of was avoided when the State of Washington admitted culpability for sending people back into a house full of carbon monoxide and settled on paying out $25 million.

@37, "Lather, rinse, repeat ad infinitum - it just never ends, and meanwhile the pile of civilian "collateral damage" on both sides keeps getting higher and higher and higher..."

Correct. That is war's nature and war is the nature of humankind according to our own history of ourselves.

55, doesn’t make this story relevant for a column about shitty police officers

@40, Climate change is a thing.

The difference between being carbon neutral tomorrow and the U.N.'s estimates for temperature rise under their models of actual carbon emission is 1/3 of 1 degree. Basically, most of the temperature rise is already baked in by prior carbon emissions, with less of the rise coming from projected future emissions.

@58: “1/3 of 1 degree.”

Wrong. Read the UN estimate yourself at the link at the bottom of this comment. You’re obviously a smart guy, so read.

The data you want is at: Page 14, Table SPM.1, column heading "Long term, 2081–2100"

https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg1/downloads/report/IPCC_AR6_WGI_SPM.pdf

@54: “of course, facts are well known to be antisemitic”

lol, at least you’re open about it!

@42, "a specific subset of public employees who are free to terrorize and kill the public with little to no fear of losing their job or facing justice."

The "specific subset of public employees" wording is what makes the statement false. The statement would be true if "a specific subset" were removed from the sentence.

Those that survived this gassing with carbon monoxide by employees, acting as agents for the state, when they disconnected C.O. alarms and sent residents back into a death zone, certainly terrorized them. The survivors probably suffer terror every time they contemplate sleep.

These kids assaulted by teachers were terrorized. Who got fired? No one. Who got a bad recommendation when the teachers in question switched to other districts. No one. https://www.kuow.org/stories/seattle-schools-knew-these-teachers-abused-kids-and-let-them-keep-teaching

The people killed when agents of the State of Washington specifically woke a drunk driver to get them off the boat, so they could stay on schedule and get off work on time, were terrorized as the drunk crossed the center line to kill them. Those employees were not disciplined or fired. Two lives and $8.6 million didn't warrant a reprimand. https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/transportation/wa-to-pay-family-of-couple-killed-by-impaired-driver-leaving-ferry/

The staff, parents, and students that suffered years of hostility and trauma from this public school principal were terrorized by an agent of the district. She not only wasn't disciplined. She got a transfer to an easier job at the same pay, with the district unwilling to investigate the merit of the allegations against the Principal and rule on their merit. The district was unwilling to make any adverse entry to the employee's personnel file, and was very careful not to make any statement publicly that might impugn the employee. https://www.seattletimes.com/education-lab/rainier-view-principal-transferred-after-years-of-parent-staff-complaints/

So it isn't a subset of public employees that is free to do as you allege without the consequences you suggest, its all public employees.

Is this because public employees are worse than private employees? Nope. They are on balance, IMO, more service-minded as a group, than the private employee pool. It's because of unique protections granted to public employees from possible employer abuse granted by the 14th and 5th Amendment, civil service laws, etc., because their employer is the state itself, with unique, monopoly power, that other employers don't get, over people.

Yet The Stranger, Ashley, and you, arbitrarily carve out a subset of employees, and attribute to them special immunity and privilege, that is not unique to the subset, but is actually possessed by all public employees.

KUOW, unlike The Stranger, and you, doesn't falsely attribute a unique subset of immunities and privileges from criminal prosecution and discipline to a subset of public employees. They report on school teachers and other subsets of employees experiencing those immunities and privileges. They call it out, every time they become aware of a case to report on, no matter what subset of public employment the public employee is part of.

@46, The U.N. by employing terrorists and allowing terrorists to use its facilities to wage war, is no longer a neutral, or credible, arbiter of potential war crimes.

https://apnews.com/article/lebanon-hamas-commander-killed-unwra-employee-israel-999ec22c1fef953f4f1b8b40a4c95b35

61, You are deeply committed to not understanding the unique nature of the police’s role in public safety, or why a journalist might endeavor to provide accountability for public employees who by the very nature of their job have the authority to kill people and violate their constitutional rights, yet apparently operate with the same level of oversight and accountability as a public school employee, which is to say none at all. You would rather waste your time tearing down straw men than actually engaging with the point you are fighting and you’ve been doing this for years. Get a life already.

oh and if you need
a Mentor I hear
Rudy's free.

@63, The teachers, ferry workers, and maintenance workers cited were granted the ability, ACTING WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THEIR PUBLIC EMPLOYMENT, to kill and assault, without criminal charge, or employment discipline.

All public employees are subject to qualified immunity, not just cops. The City of Seattle, King County, and The State of Washington fully indemnify ALL PUBLIC EMPLOYEES for civil damages arising during the course of performing public employment.

We all have authority to kill people as citizens. The legislatures (and elected state courts) specifically grant every citizen the authority to lawfully kill other people. Such authority is found in RCW 9A.16.050 and .030 in this state, among other parts of the criminal and judicial code. The authority of a police officer to kill is little different in RCW 9A.16.040 (they are more restricted than non-cops actually, requiring probable cause of imminent serious physical injury, not just reasonable belief).

We all have legal authority to use physical force against others. That is spelled out in RCW 9A.16.020 and .080 and .100, among other places.

Non-cops actually shoot people in justified self-defense 2,200 times per year vs. 1,100 or so for cops, and cops are much more frequently put in contact with violent, criminal people. 50 million police contacts a year, and only 1,100 of those escalate to the point of justifiable homicide. Only 1,000,000 of those contacts result in any use of force at all, which is 2%.

So why are police shootings much higher than in other developed countries? Simple. We have 3 to 8 times the murder rates, higher assault rates, etc. than other developed countries If the population policed is more violent, rates of justifiable use of force, including, but not limited to, homicide, will also be higher, by those defending themselves in the course of trying to bring people into custody on behalf of the courts. But we don't want to look in that cultural mirror, at policies on incarceration and rehabilitation, mental health, etc., that would actually cost a lot of money.

Nope. We want simplistic (and false) narratives thrown at us by The Stranger, such as police are a special unique subset of public employees in their ability to not be criminally charged or disciplined in the course of public employment.

And so it continues:

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-lebanon-war-hezbollah-09-30-24-intl-hnk/index.html

The ground invasion of Lebanon begins.

Sigh....

65, No one is arguing that the police are unique in terms of their lack of accountability as public employees. This is something you made up entirely on your own because you read someone asking for accountability for the police and fabricated that assertion from whole cloth.

If I say I like pancakes it doesn’t mean I hate waffles, it just means that I am expressing my love of pancakes. If you accuse me of hating waffles that doesn’t mean you’re right, it only means you don’t understand the most basic norms of communication. You are drawing inferences that don’t exist in order to make an argument you can tear down with a bunch of bullshit you scraped off the internet.

Other countries have external oversight for their police because they understand that the police represent the authority of the government and hold a unique place in public life. They have fewer police killings for many reasons but it’s less about the number than what happens afterward. Since we don’t have anything like that in the US the next best option is for journalists to inform the public of the police’s many dangerous failures and if The Stranger is making you angry then they must be doing something right.

@66
karma
can be
a bitch:

find a desk
to get Under.

@65, So look at the citations provided. Were teachers that assaulted students charged? Fired? How about Ferry workers that let a drunk driver lose to kill two people? Wait, they didn't just not detain them, they woke them up and told them to leave. $8.6 million paid out by WSF? How about the maintenance workers at Evergreen state who disabled CO detectors and sent tenants back into the gas? $25 million paid out. So no cops aren't unique in not being criminally charged, not being disciplined, being fully indemnified against civil suits, and having their employer assert qualified immunity as a defense of their employees injurious and death imposing acts and omissions. Not unique at all. It's a factor with all public employees. Not unique at all to cops.

Public employment is not "at will" like the private sector. The 5th, 14th, civil service laws, pose substantial hurdles to discipline and firing unique to public ALL public employment.

Nor are cops not being criminally charged in homicides all that unique verses the public. Over twice as many non-cops as cops each year are not charged for homicides by asserting they feared imminent serious physical injury or death, justifying their use of deadly force. So that's not unique to cops either. Quite the opposite.

I assume raindrops resurgence as ronandnancy led to them being blocked again. But thumpus is giving me strong Ahab vibes

@65, BTW, on another policing note, here is an example of public employees and senior leaders being evidence-based and making government more efficient.

Interim Chief Sue Rahr is spot on with this policy change:

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/law-justice/seattle-police-wont-respond-to-tripped-security-alarms-without-verification/

The only criticism, and its a minor one, is why did it take SPD so long to make this policy change?

We will all be safer with this change.

Drink plenty of water. Eat your vegetables. Get uninterrupted sleep. Don't let your dad hide his rocket launcher in the garage.

@72 -- good Advice
Tho when daddy's a
Terrorist he tends to
Look askance -- or
Worse when quer-
ried re any WMDs
happening to be
Lying around on
the garage floor

@70 ~ 'so myopic' Is el cap'n*
& afew'fax'2dissuadeyou &
Gawdonlyknowswot?
Previous.

*his White Whale
was normalizing
war weaponries
chasing & harp-
ooning his tale

he drownded
suddenly under
the crushing weight
of Too Many Statistics
justifications and inanities
& was put to a well-deserved
and exceedingly Belated Respite.

3-1 says his next incarnation's
the phuckingPhoenix or may-
be the EnergizerWabbit or
theFlushresistantfloating-
turd, one of donold el-
trumpfster's most
Cherished Faves:
FifteenFlushes

and thumper's wormmy's
Unleashed chatterbot
on methamphet-
amine or crank~
the Verdict's
still Out.

there Will
be a Test.

@30: So, you and "Democracy Now" are upset the Israelis are happy about the death of Hezbollah's longtime leader? Hezbollah has driven Israeli civilians from their homes in the north of Israel. No sympathy for terrorists.

"...including the massacre in Gaza."

B-b-but I thought only PRO-GENOCIDERS used any term other than GENOCIDE!!! Those so-called "Democracy Now" folks are really asking for it. Go get 'em! Names must be stolen! Then called! That'll show 'em!

@46, @47: We've been over this already, last week, where we had to explain to you the ICJ had NOT found Israel practicing apartheid. Please let us know if you need that explained to you again.

@31 and @32 dvs99: I won't be around in 76 years, but weather extremes have me plenty worried about the future. It amazes me how legislators in red states are in such deep denial about their fossil fuel gluttony---right up until they're underwater from a Category 4 hurricane. Then they're after the feds pronto for emergency infrastructural assistance their state doesn't seem to have funding for. So many feel it's "God's will". Like thoughts and prayers alone are going to solve everything.
I know of a retired Music professor from Western Washington University and his wife who sold their home and moved to Asheville, North Carolina to be with their kids and grandkids. I hope they're all okay.
I have a Bellingham native friend who moved to Louisiana eight years ago. While she's grateful that Louisiana got spared this time, she feels sorry for everybody in Florida, Georgia, North and South Carolina, and Tennessee impacted by Hurricane Helene. I do, too. The billions in damage is insane! 110 dead and a good number missing. I won't be able to unsee the people trapped on the roof of that hospital.
And the storms off the Gulf of Mexico are only getting worse.
Manmade climate change is real. What more proof do deniers need?

"So, you and "Democracy Now"
are upset the Israelis
are happy"

We're 'upset'?

no, Wormtongue, but it
appears your sociopathic Glee
is as unappealing to Democracy
Now & their viewership as it is to me &
likely to others here at Seattle's Only news source

it's something you'll
never be able to
understand.

Understand?

@76: So, what name will you steal to call "Democracy Now," for their unforgivable impertinence in using "massacre" (a word you've specifically rejected in the past, BTW) instead of your clearly-required "genocide"?

@77

nonsense.

Any reading of my
comments'd clearly
see a liberal use of the
term Massacre in my multiple
condemnations of bibi's War on Palestinians

Except yours.

your unmitigated and
Barbaric Glee at the Suffering
of others is Disturbing not only
to me but to others here @tS as well,
who've made their feelings well-known on this.

& as for repurposing
which you call stealing

get Over it,
Wormtongue.
it's already been
Established that JRR Tolkien'd
likely heartily Approve of your sharing
his secondmost-loathsome creature's name

@74 The UN says:

"Additionally, the Assembly requested the UN Secretary-General to present proposals for a mechanism to follow up on Israel’s violations of article 3 of the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination, as identified by the ICJ.

Article 3 refers to racial segregation and apartheid and the undertaking by International Convention’s States Parties to prevent, prohibit and eradicate all practices of this nature in territories under their jurisdiction."

https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/07/1154496

Let me put in words even you ought to understand:
The International Court of Justice said that Israel violates article 3, which mandates states to ban all forms of racial segregation AND apartheid

@72 "Don't let your dad hide his rocket launcher in the garage."

but would you believe it if the only evidence is your neighbor saying so?

Now, I am not saying that someone somewhere doesn't have a rocket launcher in the garage but that is a very different proposition than what Western news stenographers are "reporting."

@80: A few tens of thousands of someone's somewhere, as a matter of fact! 😀 The Party of God built an Army of God, and now they get to find out whether there is a God!

@81 The question is not whether Hezbollah is armed to the teeth. The question is whether there is evidence those weapons justify obliterating civilian housing and infrastructure

@79: Yes, but the ICJ’s ruling, which you didn’t quote, carefully avoided a finding of “apartheid,” even after recognizing it was covered by Article 3. If they’d wanted to find “apartheid,” they would have done so explicitly. That’s how court rulings work.

You’ve made it clear you have a huge desire to label Israel an “apartheid” state. The ICJ’s ruling doesn’t support or validate your desire. That’s your problem, not anyone else’s.

@80, @82: Israel knew the leaders of Hezbollah were meeting in a hardened bunker, Israel knew when, and Israel knew which residential neighborhood Hezbollah was using to shield that bunker. So your question seems already answered.

Rest in peace, Kris Kristofferson.

In brighter news, 39th President Jimmy Carter turned 100 today!
Julie Andrews celebrates her 89th birthday.

@78: Anyone reading your comments would know that you've repeatedly and loudly insisted upon calling the Israel-Hamas war a "genocide," by Israel, to the point of your name-calling as "Pro-Genociders," anyone who dares questions your use of the word "genocide." Yet Democracy Now can avoid using the word "genocide," without a peep of protest from you. As always, your outrage remains highly selective.

"it's already been
Established..."

Your ignorant opinion of what a dead man might think doesn't 'establish' anything, other than you opine ignorantly. In reality, professors tend to be highly protective of their intellectual property -- and Tolkien wasn't just any professor, he was a Fellow at Oxford University. So he might not have regarded your brazen theft of his intellectual property as forgivingly as you ignorantly opine.

@86

more neoconic nonsensical drivel
Wormtongue? whom you'll
Always Be at least to Me,
and JRR who Never met
a Liar he could endorse
'specially such a blood-
thirsty one such as
well, You know
Whom!

Oh look!
see: what bibi’s
Keep-outta-Prison
Gambit/Campaign/
Genocidal War on Gaza’s
Doing for Jews Planet-wide?

and all you Cheerleaders’re
making Anti-semitism
Even WORSE?

the Guardian:

British Jews
experience more anti-
semitism as Middle East war escalates

Community Security Trust
says the number of anti-
semitic incidents
has tripled

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/02/british-jews-experience-more-antisemitism-as-middle-east-war-escalates

well-Played
Wormtongue
& your sockpuppy
the little thumperino et al

this was
ENTIRELY
Predictable
and you Played
into Hamas's Bloody
Hands like children offered
a cherry-red Lolipop. you was

Exceeedingly,
Pre-Dictably,
well-played.

and
JRR's
pissed.

@87: Your pretended knowledge of a dead man whom you never met continues to impress, albeit not in the way you probably intend. Thieves gotta steal, so you'll keep doing it. More importantly, stealing someone else's property, and uncreatively abusing it to make cheap attempts at insult, is likely the closest thing to actual useful creativity you'll ever manage, so you'll really keep at it.

@88: Persons who already do not want Jews or Israel to exist will take offense at both of those continuing to exist. Just as Tolkien is in no way responsible for your brazen theft of his intellectual property, Israel defending itself is in no way responsible for the reprehensible acts of haters.