For decades now, there has been a rumor that Garfield High School would be renamed for Quincy Jones.
If this ever comes to pass, I dearly wish that Seattle would have done this when he was alive. At least he could have seen this public honor for his immensely successful career
@4: We’ll, Inslee’s not running for re-election, and BLM has entirely run out of steam. Those two developments create a much easier path for a national guard deployment in the face of lefty civil unrest this time around. But I suspect Inslee is more concerned about takeover tactics by the armed right in the event of a Trump loss, and he’s not wrong to worry.
All the political violence and vandalism since 2020 has been driven by conservatives and there is no reason to think they won’t throw another tantrum when Trump loses again, after years of being told the entire system is rigged against them. I wouldn’t be surprised if we see another Timothy McVeigh type situation considering how radicalized the mainstream republican party has become lately.
I have hopes for Iowa. That pollster is quite respected, and she knows the state well. And if there is one thing Iowa has no shortage of it's "Older, independent women".
Iowa voted for Clinton twice and Obama twice. It's lost its mind in recent years, but it was once a bastion of liberal Republicanism (yes, that was a thing at one time).
I can't believe it went from leaders like Governor Robert Ray(R) and Senator Tom Harkin(D) to weirdos like Governor Kim Reynolds and Senator Joni Ernst. Of course the constant has been Grassley, but he's a cockroach.
@13 thank you. A lot of people have completely memory-holed the fascist rallies that antifascist groups like black bloc were fighting against. Patriot prayer is even based out of Washington.
@13 did you understand the question? The link you posted is about a far right group but the violence mentioned was one of their members who was killed by an antifa guy. It also took place in Portland not WA state.
@15 what facist rallies has black bloc fought against in WA state?
@19, I remember a protester getting shot at a milo event on the UW campus. I’m sure there were other events too because the PNW is a hotbed for separatists and weird white christian politics but it’s not like I’m keeping a spreadsheet. Patriot Prayer was one of the most active fascist groups at that time and they are based in Vancouver WA.
Regardless I am talking about nationally and ever since Trump lost the far-right has been the greatest source of political violence. Hell even during the Trump admin there were right wing whackjobs putting explosives in the mail, and of course they have been bombing abortion clinics for decades, but that’s just ambient rightwing terrorism that we’ve all become accustomed to. I guess the antifa types get the most attention because leftwing violence is relatively rare compared to the far right.
@20: “I remember a protester getting shot at a milo event on the UW campus”
Yeah, but that was a self-defensive shooting. The jury deadlocked five years ago, and the shooter was never re-tried.
Your larger point about right-wing violence nationally is correct, and so is your point about the potential for right-wing violence in Washington. Just the UW shooting maybe isn’t the best example of it, since those particular right-wingers were defending themselves against violence by a lefty.
@21, Fair enough but he asked for an example of a far-right rally that black bloc fought against and that one was memorable because someone was shot. I’m also not sure whether the protesters were black bloc because even normie libs were protesting far-right hate rallies at the time but I feel like anybody on the left was labeled “antifa” if they showed up to counter-protest.
Regardless there is no reason to assume Washington state is immune to the nationwide political violence that will likely erupt after Trump loses tomorrow because he has spent the last 4 years coaching his followers to do so. The left simply does not have the same mainstream support for political violence the way conservatives do but people will swear up and down that the “radical left” is always on the brink of burning the whole country to the ground.
@23: “I feel like anybody on the left was labeled ‘antifa’ if they showed up to counter-protest.”
In this case, the shooting victim, despite the severity of his wounds, refused to cooperate with the police or testify at the trial of the shooters because he did not trust the American justice system. I think it’s fair to call him antifa! 😄
@21/23/28 you all have cited specific instances that were isolated to a single individual. While some of that may occur that is nothing you are going to bring on the National Guard to address. If Inslee is putting the guard on notice it would be for wide spread rioting. I have lived in this state for 25 years and I have yet to see an instance of "right wing" rioting. The best case you had was when those people broke into the governor's mansion (when he wasn't there) milled around and left. On the other hand you've had attempted arson's of both business and government buildings, private and city vehicles destroyed, stores looted and people actually killed when the far left was "protesting" something they didn't like. Which one would you use the Guard on? I know the answer but I also don't think Isleee has the actual balls to do it. Its essentially what Trump himself threatened when he labeled us an anarchist jurisdiction back in 2020. The far left gets a free pass to do whatever they want around here because they have "justifiable anger" so no matter what happens I don't expect the Guard will actually be deployed and what Inslee actions are strictly performative.
Listen. We all watched an angry mob storm the capitol in 2021, leading to multiple fatalities, vandalism of government buildings, and pipe bombs strewn about, all from conservatives who were mad because they lost an election. Whether it’s -likely- to happen in Washington state is debatable but it is -possible- that it could happen anywhere because these people have been stewing for years, at the encouragement of the republican nominee.
It is simply responsible leadership for the governor to make it known that this won’t be tolerated. And seeing how conservatives would rather whatabout BLM than acknowledge the violence that is actively promoted by the mainstream republican party, this message needs to be made abundantly clear, because republican voters have been led to believe their country is being stolen from them and they have nothing to lose.
Honest question, who was killed by BLM protesters? Or any left-wing protests? The only protest fatalities I can recall are Heather Heyer from Charlottesville and the lady who was shot on January 6, also (arguably) the cops who died in the days following. I’m blanking on BLM fatalities but that doesn’t mean they didn’t happen.
eltrumpfsters'
Promising his MAGAtty
Disciples that if he Wins MI
then the Electoral Votes're All in
Place and he Won! he doesn't "care"
in the Slightest how MI or Any State turns
out . as J. Stalin put it so Succinctly -- Vote
HowevertheFuk you Wanna -- but I Will be
the one who COUNTS THE MOTHERFUCKERS
and with dread pirate roberts at The Helm of
'our' (formerly-) Supreme Kangaroo 'court"
with five other far right Bozos (not 100%
Certain on ACB -- she may even have
Principles, but this'll be The TEST)
donold's a Shoo-In for a quick
presidential Par-don from
JRR Vancelot, Project
2025 Goes Down as
Scripted, & tfg djt
skates away as
Free as a
bird
(oh
and bibi
gets a New
Lease on Life &
GAZA's beachfront
Properties're Hot as Fuck
in the Billionaire Marketplace
as the Universe's Arc of Justice
is bent over ass-Backwards and ser-
viced long AND Hard. Way to, reich wing).
@33: It happens. Just off the top, there were those five cops shot to death in Dallas. And that dude who shot up the Northwest Immigration Center in Tacoma and got bodied by the cops. You can probably No True Scotsman any particular example, but the idea that left-wing activists never kill anyone is false.
There’s no doubt right-wing terrorism and Islamic terrorism are both larger threats than left-wing terrorism. But that doesn’t mean there’s no such thing as left-wing terrorism.
I’m not denying left wingers have killed people as a political act. I am asking whether anyone has been killed during/because of left-wing protests, BLM in particular, because that was the insinuation. I can’t think of any but I’m open to being proven wrong.
The Dallas guy doesn’t count? Literally shooting cops as payback for cops killing black men?
Or the Tacoma guy? Arrested at a protest at the immigration detention center, then returning with a gun to that same center and opening fire? These examples don’t count? I mean, I understand wanting to disown these people, but to not perceive any connection whatsoever…man, I dunno what to tell ya, lol!
Shit, even Rittenhouse. BLM fired the first shot in that incident, you can see the muzzle flash in the NYTimes video mashup. Rittenhouse shot better, but he didn’t shoot first. That was BLM.
@30, "Live (and let live)," are not at stake any other race other than the national race. That was the reason given by @6 imploring the audience to vote.
So how many EC votes would getting more people to vote here get Harris?
@32/33. I'm with you. If there is a mob of angry conservatives that assemble to storm Olympia than I'm all for the guard being deployed. As you note though that is extremely unlikely in WA state. What I think is far more likely is far left rioting and damage. As for people killed during BLM there are the two kids in CHOP but again those were isolated cases and not something you would use the guard to prevent. If Inslee calls up the guard it will be because there is widespread rioting, looting and/or public disorder that is creating a dangerous situation for the people of this state. It doesn't take people getting killed to make it dangerous. My point is that typically there is one group of people that fit that mold and for what its worth they equally hate moderate dems as much as they hate conservatives. There is already a picture of a flyer floating around social media asking for people to "bloc" up election night and meet in Cal Anderson regardless of who wins. That is probably who you would call the guard on if you are in charge but like I said I doubt Inslee has the where where all to actually follow through on that.
@41 "If Inslee calls up the guard it will be because there is widespread rioting ... that is creating a dangerous situation for the people of this state. It doesn't take people getting killed to make it dangerous. My point is that typically there is one group of people that fit that mold"
Rest in peace, music legend Quincy Jones. Not bad making it to 91.
And bless you, Jimmy Carter, for reaching 100 on October 1st and voting for Kamala Harris / Tim Walz!
@14 Catalina Vel-DuRay and @25, & @26 dvs99: +3 Thank you both for being so consistently spot on and among the sanest of commenters.
@45 -- "unwanted Presidency'?
Good one, auntie Gee! except
not in This Case -- Dems've
once again given the
People another
Hobson's
Choice:
a long slow steady
trip into the Abyss
or an Insane wan-
nabee Dictator
if Only
the "d"nc'd
allowed just
ONE solitary
pro-Palestine
Speaker at the
Convention per-
haps we wouldn't
all be Cowering in
our Basements hud-
dled under blankets
awaiting eltrumpfster's
Spanish/American inquisition
but here we Are
one extra cheeseburgher
away from JR Vancelot's reign
of terror over everyone who ain't
Dingo Dinkleman was born for glory.
For decades now, there has been a rumor that Garfield High School would be renamed for Quincy Jones.
If this ever comes to pass, I dearly wish that Seattle would have done this when he was alive. At least he could have seen this public honor for his immensely successful career
@2 Totally agree. Never understood why a school with a dog mascot was named after a cat.
“Gov. Jay Inslee clearly is. He signed a letter activating the National Guard in the event of civil unrest after the election.”
Does anyone believe he’ll actually follow through with this if Trump wins and the black bloc cosplayers start torching cars again? I sure don’t.
@4: We’ll, Inslee’s not running for re-election, and BLM has entirely run out of steam. Those two developments create a much easier path for a national guard deployment in the face of lefty civil unrest this time around. But I suspect Inslee is more concerned about takeover tactics by the armed right in the event of a Trump loss, and he’s not wrong to worry.
Vote to live (and let live!)
VOTE!!
@4 what do you mean "again" who was torching cars after Trump won last time?
@2 and 3: No. We should never name anything in honor of a living person, cause you never know when they’ll turn around and do something hideous.
Bill Cosby was a role-model… til he wasn’t. OJ Simpson too. I’m a Democrat, and I never want to see anything named after Bill Clinton…
Wait at least a decade after someone is gone for their lives to be reviewed through then lens of time…
All the political violence and vandalism since 2020 has been driven by conservatives and there is no reason to think they won’t throw another tantrum when Trump loses again, after years of being told the entire system is rigged against them. I wouldn’t be surprised if we see another Timothy McVeigh type situation considering how radicalized the mainstream republican party has become lately.
White woman blogger at the stranger calls to have asian woman put into the trash. My, such white privilege that it is blinding.
10 that’s not how white privilege works
@7 there is one group who creates disorder whenever they are upset something doesn’t go their way around here and it’s not conservatives.
@9 what have conservatives done in WA?
@12 https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2020/08/31/what-we-know-about-patriot-prayer
I have hopes for Iowa. That pollster is quite respected, and she knows the state well. And if there is one thing Iowa has no shortage of it's "Older, independent women".
Iowa voted for Clinton twice and Obama twice. It's lost its mind in recent years, but it was once a bastion of liberal Republicanism (yes, that was a thing at one time).
I can't believe it went from leaders like Governor Robert Ray(R) and Senator Tom Harkin(D) to weirdos like Governor Kim Reynolds and Senator Joni Ernst. Of course the constant has been Grassley, but he's a cockroach.
@13 thank you. A lot of people have completely memory-holed the fascist rallies that antifascist groups like black bloc were fighting against. Patriot prayer is even based out of Washington.
@12 In Seattle, the conservatives wear badges and beat up hippies.
I like that thirteen12 was @13 replying to @12
@6, An appeal made to an already blue state, in forum of already blue voters.
How many more electoral votes does that get Harris?
@13 did you understand the question? The link you posted is about a far right group but the violence mentioned was one of their members who was killed by an antifa guy. It also took place in Portland not WA state.
@15 what facist rallies has black bloc fought against in WA state?
@19, I remember a protester getting shot at a milo event on the UW campus. I’m sure there were other events too because the PNW is a hotbed for separatists and weird white christian politics but it’s not like I’m keeping a spreadsheet. Patriot Prayer was one of the most active fascist groups at that time and they are based in Vancouver WA.
Regardless I am talking about nationally and ever since Trump lost the far-right has been the greatest source of political violence. Hell even during the Trump admin there were right wing whackjobs putting explosives in the mail, and of course they have been bombing abortion clinics for decades, but that’s just ambient rightwing terrorism that we’ve all become accustomed to. I guess the antifa types get the most attention because leftwing violence is relatively rare compared to the far right.
@20: “I remember a protester getting shot at a milo event on the UW campus”
Yeah, but that was a self-defensive shooting. The jury deadlocked five years ago, and the shooter was never re-tried.
Your larger point about right-wing violence nationally is correct, and so is your point about the potential for right-wing violence in Washington. Just the UW shooting maybe isn’t the best example of it, since those particular right-wingers were defending themselves against violence by a lefty.
I trust Donald torpedoed 10K or more votes just by doing that vulgar bj gesture with the microphone.
@21, Fair enough but he asked for an example of a far-right rally that black bloc fought against and that one was memorable because someone was shot. I’m also not sure whether the protesters were black bloc because even normie libs were protesting far-right hate rallies at the time but I feel like anybody on the left was labeled “antifa” if they showed up to counter-protest.
Regardless there is no reason to assume Washington state is immune to the nationwide political violence that will likely erupt after Trump loses tomorrow because he has spent the last 4 years coaching his followers to do so. The left simply does not have the same mainstream support for political violence the way conservatives do but people will swear up and down that the “radical left” is always on the brink of burning the whole country to the ground.
@23: “I feel like anybody on the left was labeled ‘antifa’ if they showed up to counter-protest.”
In this case, the shooting victim, despite the severity of his wounds, refused to cooperate with the police or testify at the trial of the shooters because he did not trust the American justice system. I think it’s fair to call him antifa! 😄
I thought yesterday’s news story was that those assholes took away the squirrel “for his own safety”? I suppose he’s technically in no danger now.
@12- take a look at Matt Shea and his merry men.
It's far more the rational vs. unhinged isolationism than liberal vs. conservatism at this point.
@21 "Yeah, but that was a self-defensive shooting."
Ya and they still haven't found whoever killed poor OJ's wife
@28: lol, OK prosecutor!
18 fun fact: people vote for other things besides the president
@21/23/28 you all have cited specific instances that were isolated to a single individual. While some of that may occur that is nothing you are going to bring on the National Guard to address. If Inslee is putting the guard on notice it would be for wide spread rioting. I have lived in this state for 25 years and I have yet to see an instance of "right wing" rioting. The best case you had was when those people broke into the governor's mansion (when he wasn't there) milled around and left. On the other hand you've had attempted arson's of both business and government buildings, private and city vehicles destroyed, stores looted and people actually killed when the far left was "protesting" something they didn't like. Which one would you use the Guard on? I know the answer but I also don't think Isleee has the actual balls to do it. Its essentially what Trump himself threatened when he labeled us an anarchist jurisdiction back in 2020. The far left gets a free pass to do whatever they want around here because they have "justifiable anger" so no matter what happens I don't expect the Guard will actually be deployed and what Inslee actions are strictly performative.
Listen. We all watched an angry mob storm the capitol in 2021, leading to multiple fatalities, vandalism of government buildings, and pipe bombs strewn about, all from conservatives who were mad because they lost an election. Whether it’s -likely- to happen in Washington state is debatable but it is -possible- that it could happen anywhere because these people have been stewing for years, at the encouragement of the republican nominee.
It is simply responsible leadership for the governor to make it known that this won’t be tolerated. And seeing how conservatives would rather whatabout BLM than acknowledge the violence that is actively promoted by the mainstream republican party, this message needs to be made abundantly clear, because republican voters have been led to believe their country is being stolen from them and they have nothing to lose.
Honest question, who was killed by BLM protesters? Or any left-wing protests? The only protest fatalities I can recall are Heather Heyer from Charlottesville and the lady who was shot on January 6, also (arguably) the cops who died in the days following. I’m blanking on BLM fatalities but that doesn’t mean they didn’t happen.
eltrumpfsters'
Promising his MAGAtty
Disciples that if he Wins MI
then the Electoral Votes're All in
Place and he Won! he doesn't "care"
in the Slightest how MI or Any State turns
out . as J. Stalin put it so Succinctly -- Vote
HowevertheFuk you Wanna -- but I Will be
the one who COUNTS THE MOTHERFUCKERS
and with dread pirate roberts at The Helm of
'our' (formerly-) Supreme Kangaroo 'court"
with five other far right Bozos (not 100%
Certain on ACB -- she may even have
Principles, but this'll be The TEST)
donold's a Shoo-In for a quick
presidential Par-don from
JRR Vancelot, Project
2025 Goes Down as
Scripted, & tfg djt
skates away as
Free as a
bird
(oh
and bibi
gets a New
Lease on Life &
GAZA's beachfront
Properties're Hot as Fuck
in the Billionaire Marketplace
as the Universe's Arc of Justice
is bent over ass-Backwards and ser-
viced long AND Hard. Way to, reich wing).
Good
Fucking
LUCK, America
you're gonna
fucking
Need
it.
oh & btw?
DON'T FORGET
TO VOTE:
blue.
@33: It happens. Just off the top, there were those five cops shot to death in Dallas. And that dude who shot up the Northwest Immigration Center in Tacoma and got bodied by the cops. You can probably No True Scotsman any particular example, but the idea that left-wing activists never kill anyone is false.
There’s no doubt right-wing terrorism and Islamic terrorism are both larger threats than left-wing terrorism. But that doesn’t mean there’s no such thing as left-wing terrorism.
I’m not denying left wingers have killed people as a political act. I am asking whether anyone has been killed during/because of left-wing protests, BLM in particular, because that was the insinuation. I can’t think of any but I’m open to being proven wrong.
The Dallas guy doesn’t count? Literally shooting cops as payback for cops killing black men?
Or the Tacoma guy? Arrested at a protest at the immigration detention center, then returning with a gun to that same center and opening fire? These examples don’t count? I mean, I understand wanting to disown these people, but to not perceive any connection whatsoever…man, I dunno what to tell ya, lol!
Shit, even Rittenhouse. BLM fired the first shot in that incident, you can see the muzzle flash in the NYTimes video mashup. Rittenhouse shot better, but he didn’t shoot first. That was BLM.
@30, "Live (and let live)," are not at stake any other race other than the national race. That was the reason given by @6 imploring the audience to vote.
So how many EC votes would getting more people to vote here get Harris?
WILL Tomorrow
be the Death of our
little experimentations
in Republics, due to Death
by "Republicanism"? stay tuned
here's one for the
Watch Partay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7N6oC-qVMk
or Children of Men'll
work fine too for
eltrumpfster's
Upcoming
Dystopian
wetdream
vancelot's
Delight.
@6's appeal to vote is working!
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/law-justice/survey-finds-strong-support-for-trump-among-wa-prison-population/
@32/33. I'm with you. If there is a mob of angry conservatives that assemble to storm Olympia than I'm all for the guard being deployed. As you note though that is extremely unlikely in WA state. What I think is far more likely is far left rioting and damage. As for people killed during BLM there are the two kids in CHOP but again those were isolated cases and not something you would use the guard to prevent. If Inslee calls up the guard it will be because there is widespread rioting, looting and/or public disorder that is creating a dangerous situation for the people of this state. It doesn't take people getting killed to make it dangerous. My point is that typically there is one group of people that fit that mold and for what its worth they equally hate moderate dems as much as they hate conservatives. There is already a picture of a flyer floating around social media asking for people to "bloc" up election night and meet in Cal Anderson regardless of who wins. That is probably who you would call the guard on if you are in charge but like I said I doubt Inslee has the where where all to actually follow through on that.
@41 "If Inslee calls up the guard it will be because there is widespread rioting ... that is creating a dangerous situation for the people of this state. It doesn't take people getting killed to make it dangerous. My point is that typically there is one group of people that fit that mold"
Ya, SPD
Rest in peace, music legend Quincy Jones. Not bad making it to 91.
And bless you, Jimmy Carter, for reaching 100 on October 1st and voting for Kamala Harris / Tim Walz!
@14 Catalina Vel-DuRay and @25, & @26 dvs99: +3 Thank you both for being so consistently spot on and among the sanest of commenters.
It's a perfect night for It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World (1963).
@34 kristofarian et al: Voting prevents unwanted presidency. GO, BLUE!!!
@45 -- "unwanted Presidency'?
Good one, auntie Gee! except
not in This Case -- Dems've
once again given the
People another
Hobson's
Choice:
a long slow steady
trip into the Abyss
or an Insane wan-
nabee Dictator
if Only
the "d"nc'd
allowed just
ONE solitary
pro-Palestine
Speaker at the
Convention per-
haps we wouldn't
all be Cowering in
our Basements hud-
dled under blankets
awaiting eltrumpfster's
Spanish/American inquisition
but here we Are
one extra cheeseburgher
away from JR Vancelot's reign
of terror over everyone who ain't
Rich
White
'christian' &
well-Connected.