I'd love to say this is shocking, but when you look the other way on blatant ethical violations in the reporting because you like the ideology you can't be surprised that other ethical violations skate through.
What a glorious day! The sun is blazing in Central Washington even with the temperatures in the teens. A fitting day for President Trump to be inaugurated.
Executive Orders on immigration are great, but I hope President Trump follows those up with strongly worded letters to America's CEOs. Those letters should plainly spell out that the penalty for employing illegal immigrants is prison time- not for the immigrants but for the CEOs.
God bless Tom Homan and his planned ICE raids in Chicago. Chicago citizens will have more job opportunities and a greater shot at prosperity when we stop utilizing low wage illegal immigrant labor. Plus imagine how much more money will circulate in the local economy when foreign remittances dry up.
It seems very reasonable that the Federal Government would establish various definitions based on biological sex. What other definition of sex would be accurate? Place your trust in science, that's what I always say.
I'm a little disappointed that Trump has backed off his support for a TikTok ban. But the man has surprised me before. I'm sure he'll come to his senses.
Why does the Stranger staff promote MLK Jr so much when they very much disagree with the principles of equality and merit, preached by Mr. King? Instead, they prefer equity which involves Government picking the winners and losers. MLK Jr. would be so disappointed with how far liberals have fallen.
All they have left is rage. Sad.
Zuck may be a cuck, but Elon is no loser. He spends his time defending free speech, moving humanity towards space colonization and financially supporting the party of the working class (Republicans). A loser wouldn't do such things.
How come no pics from the People's March? Could barely scratch up a crowd huh? Not surprising - most people welcome Trump's inauguration and the progress it will bring to our nation.
@5 Memory holeing your past positions on school closures and endorsements, positions published by your platform in real-time is most assuredly an ethical violation. Failing to include facts in your stories that go against your slant on the same story is an ethical violation. Fox News-style garbage journalism doesn't magically become good just because you like the slant. And once you go down that road of skipping ethical standards, it's not a huge step to here. After all, the former is way more important a violation than whether Smith and Rinck got hot and sweaty one night...one can easily see the ethical slide. "No one cared when I spiked my heroic homeless drug and neighborhood theft issue, why would they care that Rich got some?"
if nothing else the next 4 years will finally dispel the persistent myth that conservatives want the federal government to stay out of people’s lives
@8 First, you'll have to demonstrate specifically how any of your claims hold true regarding The Stranger (affirmation is not demonstration) and second, tell us which news organization doesn't do any of the things you listed, like say omit facts that don't fit the editorial slant regarding Gaza. Good luck.
@3 — New Stranger column idea: “Bad Apples, but for Stranger writers.” Obviously written by anyone but Ashley Nerbovig.
The irony of Ashley “Bad Apples” Nerbovig facing professional discipline up to and including termination for dishonesty and then relying on a union to fight said discipline is rich enough you could take it down to Ivar’s on the waterfront and deep fry stuff for with it for decades. It shouldn’t be surprising to anyone that has read anything written by Hannah and Ashley that they are both willing to lie since they do it all the time in their articles.
Given the broader context of the two of them being so publicly upset about Rich Smith leaving combined with what occurred to get them suspended, you have to assume at this point that his editorial directive was to allow his reporters to lie. The good news for all three of them is that there are any number of conservative media outlets hiring that don’t care one bit about their writers being honest so they’ll all likely be able to find work soon.
10, i don’t care about whatever self-flattering technical definition you think it means, I am speaking in real world terms. If you took a poll of people who self-identify as conservative you will find a super-majority of them are enthusiastic trump supporters who also claim to believe the federal government should stay out of our lives.
This has been a myth for conservatives long before trump, mind you. It’s just way worse now.
@8, @12, @13: The Stranger has no problem re-writing its own past reporting to serve the Stranger’s present political needs.
For the protest event where Sawant led a vandalizing mob to then-Mayor Durkan’s family home, the Stranger initially reported, "The event was organized by Socialists [sic] Alternative and the Democratic Socialists of America. Sawant was invited as a speaker."
This event later became one basis of Sawant’s recall election. In defending her from recall, the Stranger stated as fact, “…Sawant did not lead the protest. The Seattle Democratic Socialists of America and the families of victims of police violence did.”
Rich Smith, author of the latter post, simply had to erase Socialist Alternative from the list of organizers, lest he have to argue Sawant hadn’t led a protest organized by Socialist Alternative. (In Rich’s defense, nobody likes to have gales of derisive laughter buffeting one’s face.)
@10 If you are going to nitpick, 'conservatives' is a misnomer to describe the radical regressives who want to return governance to the pre-New Deal status quo and who deny the environmental crisis threatening human civilization.
@15 It appears that the initial reporting by Nathalie was not factual as SA is not listed as an organizer on the organizers' webpage: https://www.facebook.com/events/855913214917518/
Now if you have other sources showing the opposite, let's see them.
Is that all you have got? A The Stranger hater like you has got to have more ....
@16: The page you cited says the event was "Hosted by Missing, Murdered Indigenous Women, People & Families, Seattle Democratic Socialists of America and 2 others". As it's entirely possible Socialist Alternative was one of those "2 others," this page in no way contradicts the Stranger's original reporting on this issue -- even though Rich and now you have each made that completely unsupported assertion.
Furthermore, the page was altered. The Event History shows the original title of the event was, "March on the Mayor's Mansion: Defund SPD!" and the first comment in the Discussion asks, "Is this march still going to Durkan's door? Is anyone planning on demonstrating there as opposed to marching back?" So, at least one person thought that was the original plan, which agrees with the event's original title.
As we know, Sawant was one of the persons who knew the address of Durkan's family home. So, this page actually bolsters the idea she was involved from the start in planning this event.
@18 Nope. If you had scrolled a 1/2" down the page you'd have seen all the organizers including the 2 others. If you weren't in such a hurry to arrive at your pre-determined conclusions you wouldn't make such elementary mistakes ...
as for your other speculations they come well short of substantiating anything
Not thank you for again making me correct your "mistakes"
WereBackBaby, I too was in Eastern Washington over the weekend and today. I would say the mood was muted at best. Most of the trump signs are gone now, as simple people have short attention spans.
But I didn't go to the Senior Center, so maybe it was more festive with your crowd.
As long as they all get their government checks, they'll be fine.
I was so happy not to see any links to X today. I hope this means you are forever leaving the dystopian nightmare that are X and Facebook. Yes, leave Facebook as well; remove those sharing icons from your website. It is well past time.
Back in the day, when it was fashionable to create various godforms from modeling clay and dreams, sending them off into the world like little lovecraftian chaos imps, the drippy-goo intent was always to manifest a happy populist movement quite different than this nightmare eyesore.
@19: First, my claim @15 remains valid, as the two quotes and citations @15 from the Stranger itself clearly show.
Second, have we evidence Socialist Alternative may have been involved with planning the event? Yes, as I have already described @18, the sudden and last-minute name change suggests this, as does the original name (and therefore true purpose) of the event.
Third, absence of evidence, by itself, does not provide evidence of absence. Socialist Alternative is not an honest organization, let alone a transparent one (https://sccinsight.com/2019/01/07/sa-sawant-tldr/), so their non-mention on the Facebook event page means literally nothing. They are exactly the type of organization which would both try to orchestrate an attack upon a political rival's family home, and keep their own involvement hidden.
Again, thank you for reminding everyone of the true purpose of that event. Sawant's recall election was indeed very well-justified.
Noone is disputing he had a one night stand with Rinck, so whatever "allegation" you're waiting for surely will not ever come. If you want to assert he was exhibiting questionable judgment in engaging in said stand then fine, but this absolutely does not make him any less a "gentleman."
I don't think you're raindrop as so many others have alleged fwtw, but you're absolutely a fucking ass.
I want to second @24 - hopefully TS will finally follow the lead of the Mercury and cease all use of fascist supporting oligarchs. The fact the two worse offenders / defenders of zombie twitter are under ethical review speaks volumes.
If there was a like button on this forum, I'd like zenhighwayman's wistful comment @26. The image he creates reminds me of this movie showing now:
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/porcelain_war
@35: “Absence of evidence” here means neither Rich nor you have any factual basis to dispute Nathalie’s account of the event. Rich groundlessly contradicted her account because his entire argument collapsed if Socialist Alternative organized the event. You’re literally trying to contradict her report with nothing.
HAPPY MARTIN LUTHER KING DAY!*
djt's our new King?
Welcome to
Dystopia
someone spelled
wormmy wrong.
*likely the Last.
so sorry, Martin
seems to me you
shouldda picked
Whiter Parents.
End the oppressive hegemony of the settler-colonialist Gregorian Calendar! The People's Calendar is Lunar!
I'd love to say this is shocking, but when you look the other way on blatant ethical violations in the reporting because you like the ideology you can't be surprised that other ethical violations skate through.
https://publicola.com/2025/01/17/two-stranger-reporters-put-on-leave-for-investigation-into-potential-ethical-violations/
MLK day also coincided with Clinton's and Obama's second inauguration!
@3 You are confusing your dislike for The Stranger's editorial line for ethical violations, which by the way are still potential at this stage.
What a glorious day! The sun is blazing in Central Washington even with the temperatures in the teens. A fitting day for President Trump to be inaugurated.
Executive Orders on immigration are great, but I hope President Trump follows those up with strongly worded letters to America's CEOs. Those letters should plainly spell out that the penalty for employing illegal immigrants is prison time- not for the immigrants but for the CEOs.
God bless Tom Homan and his planned ICE raids in Chicago. Chicago citizens will have more job opportunities and a greater shot at prosperity when we stop utilizing low wage illegal immigrant labor. Plus imagine how much more money will circulate in the local economy when foreign remittances dry up.
It seems very reasonable that the Federal Government would establish various definitions based on biological sex. What other definition of sex would be accurate? Place your trust in science, that's what I always say.
I'm a little disappointed that Trump has backed off his support for a TikTok ban. But the man has surprised me before. I'm sure he'll come to his senses.
Why does the Stranger staff promote MLK Jr so much when they very much disagree with the principles of equality and merit, preached by Mr. King? Instead, they prefer equity which involves Government picking the winners and losers. MLK Jr. would be so disappointed with how far liberals have fallen.
All they have left is rage. Sad.
Zuck may be a cuck, but Elon is no loser. He spends his time defending free speech, moving humanity towards space colonization and financially supporting the party of the working class (Republicans). A loser wouldn't do such things.
How come no pics from the People's March? Could barely scratch up a crowd huh? Not surprising - most people welcome Trump's inauguration and the progress it will bring to our nation.
@sofuckingSoon?
MUX
'spends his time
defending free speech'?
he uses his bully pulpit
enabling the far right
to Ascendency at the
Expense of democ-
racy & speaking
of Hypocrisy
but Yeah
arrest the
Employers
of those sans
proper papers.
@5 Memory holeing your past positions on school closures and endorsements, positions published by your platform in real-time is most assuredly an ethical violation. Failing to include facts in your stories that go against your slant on the same story is an ethical violation. Fox News-style garbage journalism doesn't magically become good just because you like the slant. And once you go down that road of skipping ethical standards, it's not a huge step to here. After all, the former is way more important a violation than whether Smith and Rinck got hot and sweaty one night...one can easily see the ethical slide. "No one cared when I spiked my heroic homeless drug and neighborhood theft issue, why would they care that Rich got some?"
if nothing else the next 4 years will finally dispel the persistent myth that conservatives want the federal government to stay out of people’s lives
@9: Not a myth. Actually, the myth is that Donald is a conservative.
Congrats to the Stranger for helping to get rid of Genocide Joe. I'm sure the next four years with Trump will be much, much better for Palestinians.
@8 First, you'll have to demonstrate specifically how any of your claims hold true regarding The Stranger (affirmation is not demonstration) and second, tell us which news organization doesn't do any of the things you listed, like say omit facts that don't fit the editorial slant regarding Gaza. Good luck.
@3 — New Stranger column idea: “Bad Apples, but for Stranger writers.” Obviously written by anyone but Ashley Nerbovig.
The irony of Ashley “Bad Apples” Nerbovig facing professional discipline up to and including termination for dishonesty and then relying on a union to fight said discipline is rich enough you could take it down to Ivar’s on the waterfront and deep fry stuff for with it for decades. It shouldn’t be surprising to anyone that has read anything written by Hannah and Ashley that they are both willing to lie since they do it all the time in their articles.
Given the broader context of the two of them being so publicly upset about Rich Smith leaving combined with what occurred to get them suspended, you have to assume at this point that his editorial directive was to allow his reporters to lie. The good news for all three of them is that there are any number of conservative media outlets hiring that don’t care one bit about their writers being honest so they’ll all likely be able to find work soon.
10, i don’t care about whatever self-flattering technical definition you think it means, I am speaking in real world terms. If you took a poll of people who self-identify as conservative you will find a super-majority of them are enthusiastic trump supporters who also claim to believe the federal government should stay out of our lives.
This has been a myth for conservatives long before trump, mind you. It’s just way worse now.
@8, @12, @13: The Stranger has no problem re-writing its own past reporting to serve the Stranger’s present political needs.
For the protest event where Sawant led a vandalizing mob to then-Mayor Durkan’s family home, the Stranger initially reported, "The event was organized by Socialists [sic] Alternative and the Democratic Socialists of America. Sawant was invited as a speaker."
(https://www.thestranger.com/slog/2020/06/30/44005217/mayor-durkan-calls-for-investigation-of-kshama-sawant)
This event later became one basis of Sawant’s recall election. In defending her from recall, the Stranger stated as fact, “…Sawant did not lead the protest. The Seattle Democratic Socialists of America and the families of victims of police violence did.”
(https://www.thestranger.com/slog/2021/12/02/63242360/fact-not-exactly-heres-another-misleading-anti-sawant-mailer-from-the-recall-campaign)
Rich Smith, author of the latter post, simply had to erase Socialist Alternative from the list of organizers, lest he have to argue Sawant hadn’t led a protest organized by Socialist Alternative. (In Rich’s defense, nobody likes to have gales of derisive laughter buffeting one’s face.)
@10 If you are going to nitpick, 'conservatives' is a misnomer to describe the radical regressives who want to return governance to the pre-New Deal status quo and who deny the environmental crisis threatening human civilization.
@15 It appears that the initial reporting by Nathalie was not factual as SA is not listed as an organizer on the organizers' webpage: https://www.facebook.com/events/855913214917518/
Now if you have other sources showing the opposite, let's see them.
Is that all you have got? A The Stranger hater like you has got to have more ....
Rich Smith is no gentleman.
@16: The page you cited says the event was "Hosted by Missing, Murdered Indigenous Women, People & Families, Seattle Democratic Socialists of America and 2 others". As it's entirely possible Socialist Alternative was one of those "2 others," this page in no way contradicts the Stranger's original reporting on this issue -- even though Rich and now you have each made that completely unsupported assertion.
Furthermore, the page was altered. The Event History shows the original title of the event was, "March on the Mayor's Mansion: Defund SPD!" and the first comment in the Discussion asks, "Is this march still going to Durkan's door? Is anyone planning on demonstrating there as opposed to marching back?" So, at least one person thought that was the original plan, which agrees with the event's original title.
As we know, Sawant was one of the persons who knew the address of Durkan's family home. So, this page actually bolsters the idea she was involved from the start in planning this event.
Thank you.
@18 Nope. If you had scrolled a 1/2" down the page you'd have seen all the organizers including the 2 others. If you weren't in such a hurry to arrive at your pre-determined conclusions you wouldn't make such elementary mistakes ...
as for your other speculations they come well short of substantiating anything
Not thank you for again making me correct your "mistakes"
Lying during an investigation is a quick and easy way to elevate what might have been discipline into termination. Keep that in mind, kids.
WereBackBaby, I too was in Eastern Washington over the weekend and today. I would say the mood was muted at best. Most of the trump signs are gone now, as simple people have short attention spans.
But I didn't go to the Senior Center, so maybe it was more festive with your crowd.
As long as they all get their government checks, they'll be fine.
@17,
Based on what? Or are you just talking unsubstantiated shit on a local journalist you hate because it's the silly and fun internet?
Every time tenny mentions Sawant you have to take a drink.
Dear Stranger,
I was so happy not to see any links to X today. I hope this means you are forever leaving the dystopian nightmare that are X and Facebook. Yes, leave Facebook as well; remove those sharing icons from your website. It is well past time.
@22: If the allegation turns out false, I'll eat my words.
Back in the day, when it was fashionable to create various godforms from modeling clay and dreams, sending them off into the world like little lovecraftian chaos imps, the drippy-goo intent was always to manifest a happy populist movement quite different than this nightmare eyesore.
Sorry kids.
@26
& yet not Half as Sorry as
we Kids are nor as Our
progeny'll soon Be:
Drill, baby drill
& Burn baby
fucking
Burn
our
Shareholders
Demand we EARN.
and you Stakeholders?
Y'all can just Fuck
right Off.
the
Adults're
taking Over.
@19: First, my claim @15 remains valid, as the two quotes and citations @15 from the Stranger itself clearly show.
Second, have we evidence Socialist Alternative may have been involved with planning the event? Yes, as I have already described @18, the sudden and last-minute name change suggests this, as does the original name (and therefore true purpose) of the event.
Third, absence of evidence, by itself, does not provide evidence of absence. Socialist Alternative is not an honest organization, let alone a transparent one (https://sccinsight.com/2019/01/07/sa-sawant-tldr/), so their non-mention on the Facebook event page means literally nothing. They are exactly the type of organization which would both try to orchestrate an attack upon a political rival's family home, and keep their own involvement hidden.
Again, thank you for reminding everyone of the true purpose of that event. Sawant's recall election was indeed very well-justified.
@6 -- wanna see
what Justice for ALL
Americans looks like?
see: kristofarian on January 19, 2025 at 5:18 PM
https://post.thestranger.com/slog-am/2025/01/17/79877105/slog-am-tik-tok-is-banned-david-lynch-is-dead-its-fucking-cold/comments?page=2
we likely have
Oodles more Overlap
than Dempublicans'd Prefer
'Republicrats'?
a duopoly party
by Any other name.
@25,
Noone is disputing he had a one night stand with Rinck, so whatever "allegation" you're waiting for surely will not ever come. If you want to assert he was exhibiting questionable judgment in engaging in said stand then fine, but this absolutely does not make him any less a "gentleman."
I don't think you're raindrop as so many others have alleged fwtw, but you're absolutely a fucking ass.
I want to second @24 - hopefully TS will finally follow the lead of the Mercury and cease all use of fascist supporting oligarchs. The fact the two worse offenders / defenders of zombie twitter are under ethical review speaks volumes.
@32,
3'd. Or maybe 3rd'd, whatever.
If there was a like button on this forum, I'd like zenhighwayman's wistful comment @26. The image he creates reminds me of this movie showing now:
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/porcelain_war
@28 classic tensorna word salad
absence of evidence literally means that you have no evidence to back up your slander, which has never stopped you of course.
@35: “Absence of evidence” here means neither Rich nor you have any factual basis to dispute Nathalie’s account of the event. Rich groundlessly contradicted her account because his entire argument collapsed if Socialist Alternative organized the event. You’re literally trying to contradict her report with nothing.