I've got pictures from my back porch of one of the victims of the bus shooting laying on the ground surrounded by cops with a bullet hole through him. It happened 50 feet away from my back door.

FAA has no power/authority in Canada. Try harder. Maybe by finding a competent editor/fact checker.

But it's all worth it because Genocide Joe is no longer in the White House and Free Palestine won! ::Touches earpiece:: nope, scratch that. Apparently Bad Orange Man is explicitly endorsing ethnic cleansing in Gaza and may destabilize the Middle East with his actions. We regret the error*

Still waiting for that apology, folx!

It's funny how anytime a government agency is cut even just a little (5%) suddenly the sky is falling. Bet those small cuts won't affect anyone in upper managment at Parks! Sounds like the agency is really mismanaged and has been for years, time for a shake up.

There is a lot of stuff Trump and DOGE are messing up (def not happy about the NPS) but blaming them for a weather related crash in another country seems a bit off the mark. That aircraft was too light to be landing in those cross winds and last time I checked the FAA doesn't have any jurisdiction over Toronto unless Canada was named the 51st state and we just haven't been told yet.

Let's also remember that issues with the FAA are nothing new and are widely known. Many of their systems are old and outdated and many different administrations have done little to fix them. Remember the reservation system debacle a couple year ago? https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/12/tech/faa-notam-system-outage/index.html. It doesn't seem likely Trump is going to fix this but what we are seeing may simply be the result of decades of negligence by both parties.

If that plane had crashed in the US, all those people would've died. Canada rules!

@3 You are shit out of luck if you expect establishment Democrats to apologize campaigning on Mideast policies way out of touch with voter opinion. Killing women and babies has never been very popular, duh!

@4: where do you get "the agency is really mismanaged"? because Melon Husk said so?

and which one? USFS? NPS? Interiors?

Did you know there is ONE Park Architect to cover MRNP, ONP, and NCNP? it "sounds" to me like the issue is chronic understaffing, and that it just got a lot worse.

Back in the eighties when Reagan fired all the air traffic controllers and broke their union, one of his administration's next moves was to change the metrics for how air safety was measured, thus rendering a simple apples-to-apples before-and-after comparison impossible. Given this administration's fondness for playing the 80s Greatest Hits, expect a similar move any minute now.

@7: Still flogging your one little flawed poll that shows what you want? Here, repeat this until you’re sure: “Gaza Isn’t Driving Votes.” That’s what real voters said, in real Democratic primary elections, in the really liberal state of Washington.

“Killing women and babies has never been very popular, duh!”

Well then, please tell Hamas to stop shooting at Israel from behind women and children, and to release their hostages per the ceasefire agreement’s schedule. (Or heck, just release all of them; holding them didn’t slow the IDF down one bit.) Just point out that American lefties eagerly threw away what little leverage they had to restrain Israel, so Hamas will definitely get no help from you now.

I had no idea making America great again would involve so many plane crashes. I mean I could have guessed but air safety was not on my list of things he was going to make worse.

@10 "one little flawed poll"

Not only was it several polls (before and after) that showed Harris doing poorly in some swing states because of Gaza but there was nothing flawed about them, or at least you didn't show it. On top of which several polls showed an overwhelming majority of Democrats and independents against the way the war on Gaza was waged. Surely took a genius like a progressive to guess a depressed turnout was likely.

You never tire of being a liar, do you?

@3 (@7)
yesterday's
losses are Over.
blaming Progressives's
but a big fucking Distraction*

tying us in knots
till the cows come home
or Thedonolde's already long gone

“This
is the fourth
major aviation crash
in North America in the past three weeks.”

djt’s bold new america
crash-landed atop
a bald fucking
Eagle

'In Montana, the cuts have left "just three full-time employees remain in both the Yellowstone and Bozeman ranger districts to manage 19 rental cabins, 60 bathrooms, 21 campgrounds and other infrastructure spread across 1 million acres... "'

"Stories like this are happening
all over: The Trump firings"

Looks like some good
ol Vulture capitalism
may be called for

I bet Felonious Maximus’s
got some buddies who
Just so happen to be
In that sorta Biz

*feckless dems
got no Answer just
we’ll get ‘em Next time

we need a
Kick-ASS Progressive
one who dgf about re-election

take no Prisoners
motherfucker

& It’s fucking NOW
or its fucking
NEVER.

"you never tire of being a liar, do you?"
for derr Wormtongue it
never gets Olde

& It’s fucking NOW
or its fucking

never

now
mind the
scholastic terrorism.

@12: How about you first address the flaws I identified with the IMEU poll you keep flogging, then tell us what other polls you’re citing? And address the statements of mine, which you claimed were lies, that none other than kristo’ had to tell you were actually true? (Getting corrected by kristo? Ouch!)

@13:”yesterday's
losses are Over.”

(Cue long whiny spittle-flecked rant at the “d”nc for not anointing Bernie Sanders the presidential nominee of a party he’s not even a member of…)

'scholastic'?
stochastic!

@15 bugger Off
Wormtongue
you filthy
piece of
Distra-
ction.

@8 It's called 'breaking government to better claim it doesn't work', a GOP specialty for 50 years

@5 You didn't identify any flaw for any poll I cited. The fact that you don't like IMEU, the organization that ordered the poll, isn't a poll flaw, it's Tensorna flaw considering YouGov conducted the IMEU polls like every poll they do. Your YouGov lies for their client as long as they get paid is garbage.

You may like this forever repeating the same lies but I don't like having to restate the facts, so get lost.

One thing we should all be concerned about is the sudden dismissal of 600 Bonneville Power Administration employees. BPA markets all of the electric power generated on the hydro facilities in WA, OR, ID and WY and operates most of the transmission lines. It is responsible for our relatively low power rates in this part of the country.

@18: “You didn't identify any flaw for any poll I cited.”

It’s the latter part of this comment:

https://www.thestranger.com/slog-am/2025/01/29/79896661/slog-am-trump-is-flooding-the-zone-sue-rahr-has-her-last-day-as-police-chief-bob-kettle-melts-down/comments/72

I limited myself to just the three most obvious flaws, any one of which alone invalidates the poll. Once you’re done reading about those, we can discuss another flaw if you’d like. It slants the already-flawed results in the direction IMEU (and you) wanted.

@19: And Hanford DOE employees.

But I'm sure Ed Wilson's Nephew will be along shortly to tell us they're all just corrupt bureaucrats.

I see Vlad let Averagebob crawl out of his bunker. Gotta deflect away from the coming takeover of Ukraine, right?

nyt:

“President Trump’s newly installed health secretary, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., made his first address on Tuesday to employees of the Department of Health and Human Services.

He said that a commission established by Trump to look into the rise of chronic disease in the United States would scrutinize the factors he has cited in the past: the childhood vaccine schedule, electromagnetic radiation, pesticides, ultra-processed foods, artificial food allergens, psychiatric drugs and microplastics.”

EXCELLENT.

Corporate Americkkka’s seizing the
Commons as their very own Toxic
Waste Dump has $aved its $hare-
holders likely TRILLION$ in re-
mediation measures & been
Passed along to America’s
Stakeholders, for THEM
To pay for – just as if
It were another TAX

or another trumpftarrif
call it as you
will

“Nothing is going to be off limits,” Kennedy said. The Times obtained access to the address via a video link.

“What I promise you now is to hold my preconceived answers lightly,” he said. “I promise to be willing to be wrong.”.

[willing to BE Wrong
Is NOT the Same
As Willing to be
Proven Wrong]

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/02/18/us/trump-news#steve-bannon-elon-musk-feud

now
about
them Vaxxes

@22
yep. we
antifascists're
now Putin's buddies*

I learned that Too
right here in these
same comments. whoa!

*so djt's magats're
antifa too? this is
Most confusing

@19

NO Job is
'Too small'
for another
ENRON, baby:*

see: @13

*the colloquial
'baby,' Mrs
Val duRay

Mrs. Vel-DuRay
apologies!

@1 tbass1981: I'm really sorry you had to witness that, and especially so close to your home! Condolences to all involved.

@19 Catalina Vel-DuRay: I'm just as concerned as you are about all the cuts to Hanford personnel and Bonneville Power Administration, as well as to our State and National Parks and other federal agencies. This is beyond batshit crazy!
Elon Musk's and Vladimir Putin's Napoleon sock puppet, Mein Trumpf only wants to do one thing and one thing only: to hurt the Earth and as many millions of innocent people and living creatures as cruelly and insanely as possible out of sheer spite and hatred of the average citizen.
This shit has to stop and soon. We are already SO fucked. An escalation to WWIII will be too late, especially when all guns are likely going to be pointing at us. And the right wingers in Germany are turning back to fascism, as well. WTF is WRONG with this country and foreign nations who want to follow in Trumpf's orange pig hooves?
I wish I had answers, other than for my own health and sanity continuing with my music, beloved VW in good weather, pets, and all the good people around me.

@9 Quick Fixes are Future Breakdowns: Yep. And Mu$k'$ and Putin's Mein Trumpf is borrowing a page right out of Ronald "Mr. Cue Card" RayGun's Tax Cuts For the Rich KKKorporate Golden Parachute "Make AmeriKKKa Great Again" playbook, benefitting only a forever shrinking handful of the most insanely corrupt, numb, and faceless.
And those in Mu$k'$ and Putin's Mein Trumpf Kool-Aid Kabinet of Krooks aiding and abetting, down to the dumbest of MAGA tools will all be thrown under the bus with the rest of us.

@20 Dude, investigating anything you claim is literally a freaking waste of time because it is usually false and this one is no exception. I'll take only your first argument (607 sample size is too small thus invalidates main results) because i have other things to do than remedy to your systematic incompetence.

Gallup uses a sample of 1000 for a population of 180 million, and they note (your own link) that if choosing a sample greater than 500 for that population size, the increased accuracy is small and decreasingly significant (your first "error"). There were 80 million 2020 Biden voters (population size for IMEU/YouGov poll) so less than half the Gallup pop size of 180 million US adults (Your second error). Of course, sample size determines margin of error so Gallup gets a 3% margin of error for a 1000 sample, while YouGov get a 4.5% margin of error for a sample of 607 (and less than half the pop size) so even when accounting for the margin of error the poll results are still very meaningful (3rd error)

You should be embarrassed.

@22 here comes Joe McCarthy who sees Russians everywhere. Trump is obviously only the tip of the authoritarian iceberg.

Has anyone seen Mitch McConnell lately? Or has Mu$k'$ and Putin's Mein Trumpf sentenced their pet turtle, Moscow Mitch to death by way of a deadly polio virus yet?
And just eight years ago, Mitch was eagerly helping stack the courts with neofascist extremists, laughing over the passing of Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Only to to be told by Trumpf in 2025 to "drop dead already". "Throw the bum out".
OH, the irony!

@28: You’re omitting the step where the poll first has to identify Biden voters from 2020. That’s different, and requires more work, than just taking a sample of Americans right now. (It’s also the source of the fourth flaw I mentioned, but since you didn’t address the others, I won’t bother.) IMEU was fine with a flawed and incomplete poll because better polls cost more money — and, from IMEU’s standpoint, are worse, because they are more accurate.

The second flaw I noted was the sample was not random across the population, because it sampled only on-line. If you go back to the article I cited, you’ll see pollsters went to telephone-only polling only long after telephones became household items. Missing even a few potential voters skews the poll, a point you simply won’t consider.

And do recall, your claim @18 remains false. That you’ve hand-waved away part of my response doesn’t mean I hadn’t provided one. I’d ask you about the other polls you mentioned @12, but given your late and incomplete response to the flaws I’d already cited in the IMEU poll, it’s not worth my time. Actual behavior of real voters in real Democratic primary elections showed, “Gaza Isn’t Driving Votes.”

@23 Sigh. I'm down with like 50% of those risk factors (pesticides, psychiatric drugs*, ultraprocessed foods, and microplastics). I doubt they'll actually make progress on the potentially useful things because of the distractions of the whackadoodle stuff.

Note that this is absolutely not a statement that I don't think that psychiatric drugs are useful in some/many cases. In some cases, it feels like they're prescribed for acute cases of being an 8-year-old boy, for convenience of the adults since that's easier to deal with age-appropriate behavior sometimes.

There is not a vast government conspiracy to keep us from knowing about the causes of chronic disease. People have been studying chronic diseases forever but it is difficult to understand their origins because by definition the cause happened long before the diagnosis.

One thing I can say with confidence is that any given boogeyman of the “naturalist” cult — pesticides, vaccines, high fructose corn syrup, et al — has already been ruled out. These are all the definition of low-hanging fruit and if they were causing disease they would have been exposed a long time ago.

The irony of these clowns politicizing and meddling with our medical research infrastructure in the name of curing diseases is that they are going to set us back generations. Absolutely nothing good will come of RFK’s work unless you like seeing kids die from diseases we conquered half a century ago.

T = The
E = Ever
N = Nattering
S= Sycophant
O= Of
R= Retrogressive
N = Nationalist
A = Agendas

@30 "Actual behavior of real voters in real Democratic primary elections showed, “Gaza Isn’t Driving Votes.”"

Can you please tell @3 because they seem to think Gaza Driving Votes away from the Dem nominee is what caused Trump to win.

Big Chem can unleash their
poisons upon US with Impunity
unlike in Civilized Nations where they
gotta Prove UNHARMFULNESS Before unleashing

there's something like 20 or 30 THOUSAND
chemicals, dumped into/onto our Food
Chain not to mention microplastics

turning boys into girls
making Everyone
Sterile, maybe

we
just
don't
Know

gawd only knows
what rfkjr'll do
that's Good
for US

@30 Unsurprisingly, you keep making shit up as you go along. It is a poll of 2020 Biden voters who didn't cast a vote in 2024: a total population of 19 millions, not 180 million as you claimed. The sample size of 604 is perfectly fine for the reasons outlined in my previous comment.

You are obtuse and I don't expect you to acknowledge anything. Get lost.

35, If you don’t want to eat food with ingredients you don’t like you can just read the label and buy something else. RFK is going to completely destroy our medical research and public health infrastructure over conspiracy theories about food dyes making kids gay or whatever dumb things you credulous idiots believe.

@37

it's hard to argue
djt/rfkjr Won't
destroy our
food, drugs
medicine
et al but

how long till
ALL food is labeled
'may contain microplastics'?

how long till
We are?

as
the djt
Maladministration
is likely bent on destroying
our Protections, big oil's already been
poisoning us for a century, not to mention
Catastrophic Climate Change & their Denials

@13: "blaming Progressives's
but a big fucking Distraction"

Yeah, why would the Stranger, of all places, want to ask how ten solid years of unwavering support for Seattle's leading "progressive" politician could result in her stumping for Trump? What possible good could that do?

You just don't understand.

@30: You're missing the distinction between encouraging citizens to vote, and discouraging them from voting. Gaza wasn't motivating anyone to vote, but constant "Genocide Joe" type rhetoric drove down turnout among Democratic-leaning voters. If the 2020 electorate had voted in 2024, Harris would be president. A solid year of relentlessly negative advertising (e.g. "Genocide Joe") finally succeeded in driving down turnout. That's how we replaced a president who acted to restrain Israel, with one who's openly calling for deporting all Palestinians from Gaza.

@36: How did they identify the Biden voters? There's a bias lurking in there which the poll did not seem to address.

And again, the poll was not random across the American population. It was exclusively on-line. That's what the pollster's telephone story was trying to tell you.

Finally, there was the ludicrously loaded question I cited, which nakedly appealed to tribalism, to elicit a negative response to any foreign aid to anyone. Not a good look when Trump is busy gutting USAID, but you didn't even read that far, did you?

Everytime tenny brings up Hamas and human shields, take a drink

@38

plus microplastics*
offer entry for
endocrine
blockers

@40

but that'd entail
Reading wormmy's
vile projections his tripe
justifications and what-nots

pass,
fervently,
bmleon thnx.

*may as well toss
in a few nan-
oplastics
too

are you saying
we needn't
Worry,
barth?

@36: "...It is a poll of 2020 Biden voters who didn't cast a vote in 2024..."

You couldn't even get that right. (Impressive, even for someone schooled on facts by kristo'.) It was a poll of voters who claimed to have voted in 2020 for Biden, who also claimed to have voted for someone other than Harris in 2024 -- or not voted at all. As I mentioned in the other thread, the title of the poll was, "Biden 2020 Voters Who Did Not Vote for Harris". But there's no need to take my word for it. Questions 8 and 9 in the poll come with the following note: "Asked of those who voted for anyone other than Harris, or did not vote".

But since you're convinced the poll was valid, here's Question 7, and the answers:

"Did the Biden administration’s policy of providing taxpayer-funded weapons to Israel make you [more likely to
vote for Kamala Harris in 2024, less likely], or make no difference?
More likely . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7%
Less likely . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 32%
Make no difference . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 61%"

Let's compare that 3-2 majority for "WTF cares?" against your claim, "...that showed Harris doing poorly in some swing states because of Gaza..." Better yet, add the 7% who said they were more likely to vote for her, and we get a 2/3 majority who either did not care, or voted the opposite of the way you described. This is a poll which supports your claim voters cared about Gaza? Really?

Since the pollsters put an even finer point on it in the very next question, how'd it go then? Question 8:

"If Kamala Harris had pledged to break from President Biden’s policy toward Gaza by promising to withhold
additional weapons to Israel for committing human rights abuses against Palestinian civilians, would it have made you [more or less] likely to vote for Harris, or would it not make any difference?
Asked of those who voted for anyone other than Harris, or did not vote
More likely . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .36%
Less likely . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 10%
Make no difference . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 54%"

Even with the loaded verbiage, "...human rights abuses against Palestinian civilians," specifically included in the question, "WTF cares?" still won a majority. Again, this is a poll which shows American citizens cared passionately about Gaza?

@40 Bmleon & @41 kristofarian: I consider tensy like baby doofus and just scroll past their idiotic comments.
Both spew nothing but senseless worm salad.

so according to the data provided by tensora, more than 4 times as many polled voters (32% vs 7%) would be less likely to vote for Harris due to the Biden administration's policy of providing taxpayer-funded weapons to Israel.
In a tight election, a 4 to 1 split is important. (Along with obviously taking the moral high ground and not getting involved in a Hamas religious war/Israeli land grab in the middle east.)
I get that tensora is too stupid to understand the poll, the hard thing is to have to learn that Kamala decided to not do the right thing and put some limits on Israel's use of American funded weapons and ignore the 32%. Guess the Liz Cheney folks were prioritized.

@44: I wasn’t the one who repeatedly cited this poll as showing Gaza had cost Harris support. That was averagebob. I’m the one who actually looked at the poll’s results, which show a majority of the persons who supposedly abandoned Harris over Gaza actually said they simply hadn’t cared.

the Wormtongue
was nutnyahoo's
Biggest Cheerleader
well he & his ai sockingbott
egging on first Joe and then
Kamala to do Israel's bidding
showering Palestinians with USA-
made WMDs. wormmy may as well've
told Palestinians to shut the fuck up and
eat our two thousand pound bunker bustin'
bombs for fucking Breakfast AND LIKE IT 'cause

that was just the way it was.

no surprise djt WON
with the Wormtongue.
bravo wormmy. well-Played.

but blame Kshama.

"RFK is going to completely destroy our medical research and public health infrastructure over conspiracy theories "

I'm not so sure about that, Barth dear. I think he's as stupid, shallow, and mentally failing as trump. Once his dreaded "big pharma" offers him some money, he's going to touch up his make-up, put a fall in his hair, and dust off his diaphragm for his big date with Pfizer and the rest of the boys.

And while I share everyone's concerns about Hanford, the much more immediate and concerning problem to me is grid stability and security. As one might imagine, a system as complex and enormous as BPA requires scores of engineers, lineworkers, technicians, constructors, etc. just to keep it going, let alone expand it for future growth. Seattle and Tacoma are somewhat protected from BPA failures, but it's not a sure thing. And outside of Seattle (including the airport) would be in a world of hurt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQXl5JZG-C8

You can take “don’t care” respondents off the table because their vote was unaffected by Gaza policy either way. The only relevant numbers for this question are the ones whose vote hinged on this issue and Harris lost up to 4X more voters than she would have if she had tried to distance herself from Biden.

We have no idea where there threshold was for changing their mind, and maybe none of them would have been appeased by any moderation short of ending our support for the war entirely. The only thing we can conclude from this poll is that she would have improved her chances of winning ~1/3 of former-Biden voters by moderating on Gaza even though over half of them were unreachable either way she went.

@42 another word salad from you to obfuscate the fact that you were wrong about the poll population size and the corresponding adequate sample size. You are an obtuse and incompetent twerp.

The poll sample size (607) is adequate and certainly doesn't invalidate poll results as you wrongly claimed

Regarding your 2 other points:

online polling is far from perfect but telephone polling isn't close to perfect either in this day and age when most people only pick up calls from phone numbers they recognize.

As to your claim the poll questions are hopelessly loaded, it is just a blatant lie as shown by the poll itself:
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/667c26da581c496ab9d4df6e/t/6787dae0e14e6a3c881d40da/1736956640764/IMEU_Jan_2025_Biden-non_Harris_toplines.pdf

Wormtongue's
pretzel logic
tying one
up in
knots

avoiding the
Fact that Milquetoast
Feckless Dems've got NO
Answer to eltrumpfster & Never will

other
than "Ignore
the Progressives!

if we just keep
Movin' to the
Middle we'll
Get 'Em
NEXT
Time!

it's All
THEIR
FAULT!"

we
need
a media-
savvy Firebrand

a Bernie at 40

@49: Once you take the majority of the poll's respondents off the table, you're looking at some very small numbers -- and the ratio of two small numbers can be almost anything. If the poll's questions had been loaded as heavily in the opposite direction, those two small numbers you're quoting could very well have had a ratio inverse of the one they now have.

"We have no idea where there threshold was for changing their mind, and maybe none of them would have been appeased by any moderation short of ending our support for the war entirely."

Which is what the protestors, and folks like averagebob, were actually demanding. As commenters here noted at the time, that could well have cost her far more support than it would have gained, so there was no point in her even trying.

@50: The poll size was regarded as insufficient by a professional polling firm in the previous century. No amount of name-calling personal attacks upon me will change that. You're also still trying to avoid understanding their point about telephone surveys (again, from a time when most telephones were still landlines). They didn't go to telephone surveys until almost every American had a telephone. (Not merely "most" Americans, but almost all.) An on-line survey is not merely not random, but skewed against the very age demographic which most reliably votes: senior citizens. So the sample size is both too small, and unrepresentative of actual voters. (The latter point actually argues more strongly for declaring the poll's results invalid, but I won't bother trying to explain that to you.)

"As to your claim the poll questions are hopelessly loaded, it is just a blatant lie as shown by the poll itself..."

Ha, ha, ha. Here's Question 6 from the poll: "How much do you [agree or disagree] with the following statement: The $18 billion in weapons the U.S. provided to Israel over the last year, funded by taxpayer dollars, would be better spent lowering costs and supporting Americans dealing with inflation and struggling to afford basics like housing and healthcare." (Impressively, a mere 77% agreed.) That loaded question primes the respondents for Questions 7 and 8, above. And still the "who cares?" answer took the majority in both questions (!). Maybe in the next IMEU-funded poll, Question 6 will have Israeli soldiers stealing food straight from the mouths of American widows and orphans?

And as far as "blatant lies" go, I'm not the one here who got schooled on facts by kristo. (kristo!!)

@52 Of course you came back to repeat the same lies because in your own little obsessive sicko world whoever speaks last won.

Repeating almost verbatim your previous argument like you do without specifically addressing the points debunking it is nothing but cheap propaganda. You easily won a gold medal in that category.

@53 -- that's a BINGO

The Wormtongue* Prize:

thee Last Word
salad doing Goebbels's
Heavy Lifting repeating it Often
enough like Thedonolde soon it becomes

True?
or Truish

*AIPAC

@53: First, the concern about the non-random sampling of an online poll is not a lie, it’s a fundamental concern about the basis of the poll, and one which you have failed to understand already in this thread — despite your loudly false claim of having debunked it. Your ignorance, or refusal to understand (I’m guessing the former) about the basics of sampling is not anyone else’s problem. Calling it a lie merely restates your own failure to understand the poll you cited.

Second, you got schooled by kristo for making false statements about what he’d written, false statements you made to support your claim about my supposed lies. Why you believe your making further such accusations counts for anything must remain your own little secret.

Now, as you’ve finally demonstrated your claim about my not having identified flaws in the poll was false, and you’ve recognized each of the flaws I had indeed identified, we can now talk about the larger, underlying flaw. The poll supposedly sampled citizens who’d voted for Biden in 2020. How did the pollsters identify this sample from the overall population? After an election, voters’ memories of how they voted are unreliable. Where in the poll do they correct for this tendency? If they didn’t — and you’ve cited no evidence they did — then it biased the results, possibly in favor of what IMEU (and you) wanted it to say.

“A surprising number of respondents don’t remember how they voted; they seem likelier to remember voting for the winner; and they sometimes report voting when voting records show they did not.”

(https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/06/upshot/polling-methods-election.html)

But hey, at least this time, kristo isn’t proving you wrong! You’ve cleared the absolute lowest of all possible bars! Congratulations?

"Second, you got
schooled by
kristo"

"schooled"
Wormtongue?

that ab may've overlooked
my comment[s] is Not
testament to ab's
Honesty

some
Thing
Sorely
Lacking

in Your
'character'
compleat Lack
Thereof, most accurately

as for the
Rest of your
seizure word salad

TL;DR
whining
whinging
Victimhood
writ Largesse

hard
Pass.