If only that bar had two security guards instead of one the shooters would have been deterred. Imposing more costs on an already-suffering industry is sure to solve our gun violence problem (or at least, is sure to help certain city officials be seen as doing something to solve that problem)!

Aid workers, not aide workers.

"I dunno, I think it's a good thing to prevent criminals from taking political control of a country and burning it to the ground for their own gain."

Yet The Stranger champions convicted felon Representative Tarra Simmons every chance they get, particularly when she proposes legislation to make it easier for more felons to vote.

So let's see if I have this right?

When its a state legislator with politics they like, The Stranger is all for felons in elected leadership, making it easier to get more felon voters eligible to vote in more felons.

When its an elected leader with politics they don't like, they are opposed to felons holding elected office, and having more of their felon supporters elect more of them.

Did I get that inconsistency right?

@1, If a business can't make enough money to meet their common law duty to provide reasonable security on their premises, its not a viable, responsible business. It covers all its costs of doing business, pays taxes to contribute the common good, and returns a small, competitive profit to its owners, or it shouldn't exist.

3 doesn’t sound like it, no

@3 I think the key phrase was meant to be "burning it to the ground for their own gain," but I agree that it's distasteful for people left of center to now demonize cRiMiNaLs because a politician they don't like was convicted of felonies. Anyone who's served their debt to society, like Rep. Simmons, should be as welcome to participate in our democracy as any other member of the community.

@6 Also, the key phrase in your response is "served their debt to society." When does Trump do that? Oh, yeah, never.

@1, A business that doesn't meet all its social obligations and costs is anti-social by definition, whether those costs are disposal costs for the pollution they create or the security problems they cause.

Customers who won't pay enough for the service or goods the business provides for the business to cover all its costs, including social ones, are also anti-social. They also show how little they value what the business provides when they vote their discretionary dollars at a different business instead.

Are you advocating for socially irresponsible businesses. It pays better doing it as a hired gun for some business, rather than in comment threads on The Slog.

@1 They did have two security guards. One of them literally ran away as soon as the shots were fired. They're just doormen. Aint worth dying for $20 an hour.

@7, An elected Judge in NY, ruled Trumps debt to society paid in full under the laws and authority granted to him by the democratically elected Legislature of New York.

I don't happen to agree with the Judge, but I am not a NY voter. Standing in the way of the democratic majority of NY voters, even if I was a NY voter, as they created the Trump outcome, would be antidemocratic.

Are you democratic when it suits you, and antidemocratic when it doesn't?

Then there is the matter of the national voters, that I disagree with, that elected Trump in spite of being a 34 times convicted felon. It's a feature of democracy, not a bug, that the folks who won the last election get to cram their candidate and priorities down the throats of those that didn't.

So democratic when it suits you, and antidemocratic when it doesn't?

@6, @7, Representative Simmons sponsored legislation to allow sentence serving felons the right to vote with a supportive right up from The Stranger.

I haven't seen TS champion Tarra Simmons "every chance they get". I don't remember seeing her name here before. Prob not my district.

The shooting at the house party in Tacoma happened AFTER the cops arrived? That kid must have been really mad. Teens and guns are a bad mix.

No one needs Shisha after 2 am. Go home.

Electing felons and felons having the right to vote are completely different things, as are felons “taking control of the country to burn it down for their own gain” and any felon at all. I don’t think a throwaway line in a morning news blog post should be taken as a declaration of an editorial stance but if you want to nitpick you need to have your assumptions in order.

hey
Wait a sec
that pic looks sus.
like a sun-Set. What gives?

“In the Tacoma area, two people are dead and four are injured after an early Saturday shooting . . . The victims were between 16 to 21 years old.”

when
neolibs
and Cons
Rule the Roost
“life” gets Cheapest

REPEAL
“Citizens
Fucking United.”

“,,, the open letter to Gov. Bob Ferguson signed by 68 local officials across the Evergreen state . . calls on Ferguson to seek new progressive revenue options as budget deficits grow and federal cuts become imminent.”

Excellent.
Like FDR* once
said: ‘MAKE Me Do IT.’

“I dunno, I think it's a good thing to prevent criminals from taking political control of a country and burning it to the ground for their own gain.”

very
Bold,
Natty!
Thedjt’s
Gonna put
you on his shitlist

meetchya
@the Gilag!
“Honeybee
deaths in the US
have reached record highs.
Scientists don't know what's causing it.”

‘science’!

have Faith in
America, gottdammit!
and never~Mind Microplastics
forever Chemicals (unlike the E.U,)
pesticides herbicies and Genocides

we’ve got
Profiteering
on Our little minds.

*President.
Progressive.
Electd FOUR
Fucking Times
(so Sorry,
sleepyjoe!)

Good
Mourning!

@8 well shoot, sounds like Kettle's proposed ordinance (with important input from Davison) is totally pointless then

A minor point, but the DoD has nothing to do with visa issuance or revocation. And the article linked to makes clear in the first graf that the emails came from the DoS.

dead man walking says, “I will live FOREVER!!!

Any chance y'all know who and where to send the most effective constituent feedback on fairly distributing income & sales taxes to include the top 20% of the incomes in the state? The Gov., then my State Congressional reps??

Churches should be, too. Give them various "rebates" to reflect what actual services they provide as charitable, but tax them.

Good work, again, SLOGger Team!

Are these hookah lounges operating as private clubs as required if they permit indoor smoking? If so, their membership records should be readily available for review by police with a valid search warrant. And that should help identify any shooters. If these hookah lounges are not maintaining accurate membership rosters, shut them down. We voted for smoke free bars and restaurants. Being a member of a favored minority group doesn't allow you to break the law.

Local jurisdictions absolutely do not need more revenue. Tax revenue has climbed consistently with population. Local jurisdictions need spending reductions. Regular taxpayers are broke and the taxpayers with means are moving out of Washington to avoid capital gains / future wealth taxes.

Musk has spent a bunch of money to influence elections. And while it's completely legal, one might be worried if that is within the spirit of "one-person-one-vote". But then one remembers $400 million Zuckerbucks and moves on to other more pressing concerns.

The plummeting stock market is clearly a result of Biden's policies. Or Obama's. Or maybe FDR's.

"Allegedly, the students getting these emails participated in campus activism or showed social media activity—things as small as liking a political post the Trump administration considers unsavory—critical of those in power."

The linked article quotes Sec. of State (as @14 noted, not Defense) Rubio at length as to the rationale behind these attempted visa revocations. From a State Department transcript:

"And so there may be other movements, but that’s partly the movement we’ve seen on college campuses. Let’s be clear: It is a movement that is supportive of the group that just slaughtered babies, like deliberately targeted and slaughtered babies and civilians and took hostages and killed hostages. That’s the group they’re aligning with.

"But beyond that, they are spray-painting buildings. They are taking over buildings. You must have seen these reports in campus after campus where students can’t go to class and can’t function and the universities don’t know what to do about it. When you look at it and you realize that some of the people involved in this are here on student visas, it’s crazy."

(https://www.state.gov/secretary-of-state-marco-rubio-remarks-to-the-press-3/)

While I have little illusion this administration will act with any consistency, competence, or good faith, last year's abusive protests alienated many Americans, and now those protests and alienation get used by wonderful folks like Sec. Rubio, to deny visitors access to the United States. Great work all around.

@19 what does Horseshoe Theory have to say about you being low key excited Trump is deporting Gaza protestors?

@20

it Says
someone
once bounced
an Horseshoe off
of his poor cranium

and took his
Empathy
bone
out.

I will make my point to the fact that Israel made a mass grave for aid workers. So Israel is as much of a terrorist as Hamas. It's pretty disgusting. And drumpf can call that antisemitism, I guess? And I also guess I have earned my way to Gitmo because I am calling the obvious murder of aid workers terrorism, well cold blooded murder is really what it is. No doubt that Israel has joined the realm of war criminals. They are just another kill crazy, irresponsible and savage tribe of mad people. I still don't like Hamas, but I have no sympathy for Israel's government any longer. Whatever comes of this after Israel kills or displaces all the Palestinians is the result of criminal enterprise. The state of Israel is forever stained in evil acts and the innocent blood those acts have shed.
I'm sorry for the aid workers and their families and their friends that have endured their loss and subsequent disrespect by way of covering up their murders.

As I believe another mentioned above:
A correction needed on your "International Students Asked to Self-Deport" -- if you check your original source, it is the "Department of STATE" the letters are coming from, not the "Department of DEFENSE". (If the WERE coming from the DoD they'd be highly sus!)

@12: Great catch! I think that a sunset v. sunrise faux pas happened in the final scene of 'The Green Berets'. The storyline is (Wikipedia) "At Da Nang, Beckworth watches as Ham Chuck runs from helicopter to helicopter, desperately searching for Petersen. Eventually, Kirby tells him of Petersen's death and comforts him, before the two walk along the beach into the sunset."

But the sun setting is really the sun rising as it's over the ocean in Vietnam.

@9 As usual, you do the sophistry while deliberately missing the point.

Trump continues to avoid all responsibility for the felonies he's committed. Not just the NY one (which he avoided responsibility by getting re-elected), but also all of the other criminal acts he's committed. No, he hasn't been convicted, but both the Jan 6 and classified documents crimes were committed in plain sight and stopped only by his re-election. And as I said in 7, Trump will not see any consequences for any of those.

It's not anti-democratic to recognize that the rich and powerful don't always get held to account for their crimes. But you knew that already too.

@20: Yes, to the absolute best of your demonstrated reading comprehension skills, my final sentence, "Great work all around," contained absolutely no sarcasm. At all.

But there's no point in anyone arguing this with you, now is there? Your reaction to protestors at UCLA blocking Jewish students from entering their classrooms, unless the Jews denounced Israel, was to wonder why the Jews didn't simply knuckle under to this harassment.

All last year, protestors were warned -- including many, many times, by commenters right here -- that their abusive tactics were alienating the very persons whose support they supposedly needed. In response, we were told that prancing performances of purity poutrage were more important than caring about what anyone thought. Now we see the entirely predictable result of such abusive indulgences.

And as you mentioned Horseshoe Theory, can you name another country which once allowed harassment of Jewish students on university campuses?

bibi's
little Keep-
Outta-Prison
Gambit's done
More to make Jews
UNSAFE Planet-wide

than
good
Gawd
I don't
Know what
but it'd be quite
the Feat to somehow
make it even fucking Worse

bibi's little
Genocide's
a Bane to Jews
and a Boom to
Armageddonites

btw
is That
your wish?

@26 "can you name another country which once allowed harassment of Jewish students on university campuses?"

Sure: Israel.

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/hjshlzgxr

"Washington's regressive tax code means there isn't enough "funding for infrastructure, housing and human services, public health, and public safety" investments."

No this is not due to WA regressive tax code. The primary reason we have a budget deficit now (after having a $20B surplus just a few years ago) is that the legislature took one time funding from the Feds for covid relief and used it to start up ongoing programs without a continuing source of revenue. The legislature also ignored the advice of their economics advisers and assumed a growth rate that was much much higher than forecasted and then spent the money (akin to taking a payday loan). When their wishing upon a star didn't work it made the deficit even worse. Revenue is growing. We are forecasted to grow $4.5B in the next 4 years however the state spending is growing even faster. This doesn't include the indirect tax from the CCA. This whole thing is a joke and the taxpayers are the punchline.

I think it's waaaaaay obvious that it's time to tax the wealthy in our state. When the fed tax cut will only benefit the rich, the states have the obligation to extract the rich people's dues. If WA can get ahead of that reality by instigating the wealth tax earlier than waiting for the sting from the destruction of the federal gov the better off we will be.

".....Marine Le Pen, was barred from seeking office by a court due to embezzlement."
Just another example of how correct the far right is in their disdain for the French.
(That's sarcasm.)
Just one more reason that, if Soc Sec would pay for medical care outside the US, I'd move to France in an instant.

Phoeb, as Michael Herr pointed out, "The Green Berets" wasn't about Vietnam, it was about Santa Monica.

@32; The Australians are the only ones who really get war songs right.
Try Listening to I Was Only 19

To each and all, how long before WBB claims to have a house in Italy?

@28: So, where in that article does it say students were denied access to their classrooms unless they said what the protestors demanded? It seems everything went peacefully:

"The university protests ended without major incidents. Hadash activists were escorted into the university to avoid confrontations. Police separated the groups with a large presence."

@34 where in any article does it say anyone whose visa was revoked denied anyone access to classrooms?

@35: Good luck chasing your own tail, dude.

@35: Since you obviously didn't see it, it was in the remarks Secretary of State (not Defense) Rubio made, which I quoted @26: "...where students can’t go to class..."

@37 yes I see you and Rubio, and his boss, are perfectly aligned on this issue

their
Infiltration's
reached Peak Nazi

@33 - of course I don't have a house in Italy. I thought my disdain for Europe came through loud and clear. I may have to step it up a bit.

I can offer a travel tip for Tuscany however, don't try renting a house. There is absolutely nothing available.

Now, as for war songs, Goodnight Saigon was pretty good. Written and expertly performed by one of my favorite Americans.

from the Guardian

Israel killed
15 Palestinian paramedics
and rescue workers one by one, says UN

Workers on a mission to help colleagues
were buried in mass grave in
southern Gaza, says
humanitarian office

Fifteen Palestinian paramedics and rescue workers, including at least one United Nations employee, were killed by Israeli forces “one by one” and buried in a mass grave eight days ago in southern Gaza, the UN has said.

According to the UN humanitarian affairs office (Ocha), the Palestinian Red Crescent (PRCS) and civil defence workers were on a mission to rescue colleagues who had been shot at earlier in the day, when their clearly marked vehicles came under heavy Israeli fire in Rafah city’s Tel al-Sultan district.

A Red Crescent official in Gaza said that there was evidence of at least one person being detained and killed, as the body of one of the dead had been found with his hands tied.

The shootings happened on 23 March, one day into the renewed Israeli offensive in the area close to the Egyptian border. Another Red Crescent worker on the mission is reported missing.

“Seven days ago, civil defence and PRCS ambulances arrived at the scene,” the head of Ocha in Palestine, Jonathan Whittall, said in a video statement.

“One by one, [the paramedics and civil defense workers] were hit, they were struck. Their bodies were gathered and buried in this mass grave.

“We’re digging them out in their uniforms, with their gloves on. They were here to save lives. Instead, they ended up in a mass grave,” Whittall said.

“These ambulances have been buried in the sand. There’s a UN vehicle here, buried in the sand. A bulldozer – Israeli forces bulldozer – has buried them.”

--by Lorenzo Tondo in Jerusalem,
Malak A Tantesh in Gaza, and Julian Borger
Mon 31 Mar 2025

oodles: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/31/israel-killed-15-palestinian-paramedics-and-rescue-workers-one-by-one-says-un

tell us
Wormtongue

tell us All
how they were
All "hiding behind Hamas."

@1, The single security guard caused the apprehension of the murder suspect. He perhaps save lives by wounding the suspect and causing him to flee.

Two security guards might have saved the first by dividing his focus and aim or neutralizing him with more hits before he cuod get a single shot, not just two into the single guard.

The suspect in question is a Federal felon who was banned from owning a gun. See how well that firearms ban.worked.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/law-justice/judge-orders-south-seattle-double-homicide-suspect-held-on-5m-bail/

Ignore everything tensor and not myopic post.
???
Profit

“Washington's regressive tax code means there isn't enough "funding for infrastructure, housing and human services, public health, and public safety" investments. The signers then list the measures they support including current bills in Olympia that would lift the 1 percent property tax cap, expand the sales tax to fund public safety programs, and more.”

So the solution is more regressive taxes? When will these folks get serious about addressing our upside tax system (this means actually proposing replacing regressive taxes with progressive taxes).

This is not rocket science.

@12 Good catch, kris!
That is clearly a sunset in these parts.
Good evening, Christian Parroco.

@21 kris +1 for the WIN!!

@43 CDizzle: Thanks--I'm already doing that. I have also added Baby Doofus (a.k.a. WereBackBaby) to my automatic scroll down list.

@44 Buddhamat: I'm ready to tax the rich already, especially now that Bill Gates, Jr. basically said 'Fuck the 99.9%' and joined the rest of the billionaire$ in the global race to the bottom.

@38: Evidence contradicting your assertions, sitting right there on the screen in front of you as you deny its very existence, simply cannot come as a surprise to you by now, so you have no excuse for getting pissy when caught. Again.

Whether anyone here ever admits it or not, Sec. (of State) Rubio's action exploits the very negative experience Americans had of last year's pro-Palestine protests. Warnings came loud and clear -- some of them right here in the Stranger's comments -- that spoiled children flaunting bad behaviors for their social-media 'friends' did not bring support to their stated cause, but rather a resentful opposition. If a foreign student comes here to study on a student visa, then denies other students access to their classrooms, there's no small amount of poetic justice in sending that foreign student home. That's the reality last year's protests have now created, and everyone here who supported those protests should think about the actual lasting effects those protests have now created.

keep Silent
America. protesting
only leads to Fascism so
listen to the Wormtongue

from Caitlin’s Newsletter:

"Free Gaza From Hamas"
Really Means "Free Gaza
From All Palestinians"

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu continues to insist that Israel will carry out Trump’s ethnic cleansing plans for Gaza, saying the following on Sunday about “the final stage” of his agenda:

“Hamas will lay down its weapons. Its leaders will be allowed to leave. We will see to the general security in the Gaza Strip and will allow the realization of the Trump plan for voluntary migration. This is the plan. We are not hiding this and are ready to discuss it at any time.”

Netanyahu’s suggestion that Trump’s plan for the migration of Palestinians out of Gaza would be “voluntary” is misleading in two separate ways.

Firstly, it is nonsensical to deliberately and systematically make a place uninhabitable and then claim that anyone who leaves that place would be leaving voluntarily.

Israeli spinmeisters have been pushing this narrative since the early days of the onslaught, and it’s transparently bogus; telling people they can leave or starve to death is exactly the same as forcing them out at gunpoint.

Secondly, Trump’s plan for the ethnic cleansing of Gaza is not “voluntary” on its face. Trump has explicitly said “all” Palestinians are to be removed from the enclave and would not be allowed to return, which of course necessarily means that anyone who wants to stay will not be permitted to.

Netanyahu says he wants to realize Trump’s plan,
and Trump’s plan is forcible ethnic cleansing.

A Knesset member from Netanyahu’s Likud party named Amit Halevi was just on Israeli radio saying that the plan is “to occupy the territory to cleanse it of the enemy,” adding that Israel needs “to return to Gaza permanently and control this space, because it is part of our homeland.”

I mean, how much more explicit do they need to be?

When Israel apologists respond to chants of “Free Gaza” with “Free Gaza from Hamas,” what they really mean is “Free Gaza from all Palestinians.”

The agenda they are cheerleading has ultimately nothing to do with Hamas — it’s about purging a Palestinian territory of Palestinians and replacing them with Israeli Jews.

It’s yet another Israeli land grab
and yet another drive to eliminate
Palestinians from their historic homeland.

--by Caitlin Johnstone; Mar 30, 2025

Oodles:
https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/free-gaza-from-hamas-really-means

@44, FTW!

The key is "replacing". In the past political Progressives in this state have rejected "replacing". They want to keep the regressive taxes and add to progressive taxes to them.

Shorter @43, @45. "Stay in your bubble."

Didn't that approach give us two rounds of DJT, at the expense of the entire nation.

@50

no.

your
and his*
justifications
sophistries and
distractions gave to
us this nasty Mess we're in

and're
Keeping
us mired in
all the muckness

haven't you got a
2nd amendment
to champion?

*the Wormtongue's

@45

THNX
auntie Gee!

@49: They were repeatedly warned last year about their obsessive focus on Gaza, and how throwing around terms like "Genocide Joe" could only help Trump. Now that the president who restricted arms deliveries to Israel has been replaced with one openly advocating complete ethnic cleansing of Gaza, they dodge responsibility for their part in that replacement -- even while continuing their obsessive focus on Gaza! See @47 and @50 for confirmation.

You may as well have told AM Talk Radio listeners in the '90s about Limbaugh's drug use.

Garb @43: Coming from someone who was actually banned from here, that's hilarious! Please keep bringing the laughs.

tl;dr
your
tripe cum
justifications
Wormtongue.
a poison you are
to @tS's Schlogg.

@52. Laugh like the clown you are, bootlicking trash.

@52 "the president who restricted arms deliveries to Israel"

As you put it: "Please keep bringing the laughs."

@55: "The Biden administration is holding up shipments of two types of Boeing-made precision bombs to send a political message to Israel, according to a U.S. official and six other people with knowledge of the deliberations."
(https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/07/us-concerns-over-israels-gaza-policy-led-to-weapons-holdup-00156528)

The choice was never between Biden, and someone who would order the arms embargo you wanted. The choice was between Harris, and someone who talks openly about driving the current population out of Gaza. That you guys all echo-chambered each other into believing an arms embargo was possible was always your problem, but you've successfully made the result into everyone else's problem, too. (You really should take credit for it; it's the closest to a political victory you'll ever get.)

political wins for Our side:
Good for All of Us

political wins for the
Wormtongue's side:

Excellent! for all the Mr. Burnses*
and, duh, (Doh!) for 'the top'
5% and for our Silver-
tongued devil

*Charles Montgomery Plantagenet Schicklgruber "Monty" Burns, usually referred to as Mr. Burns or C. Montgomery Burns, is a recurring character and antagonist in the animated television series The Simpsons

rich as Fuck
owns the local
Nukular power plant
Neverminds the 'occasional'
radiation leaks - "helps to thin the Herd!"

@56 ya that one delayed shipment made a huge difference, really turned the tide of the assault on Gaza. Biden's such a brave hero.

@58: Again, that was all you were going to get. You never had an option to get anything more, no matter how extravagantly vivid your fantasy life. Harris told you, very clearly, that an embargo was not a possibility:

'Kamala Harris will not support an arms embargo on Israel, her national security adviser says, a day after the presidential candidate was heckled by pro-Palestinian protesters at a rally in Detroit.

[...]

'The statement came after leaders of the Uncommitted movement - which has urged Democrats to boycott the election over US support for Israel - said Ms Harris had "expressed an openness" to meeting with them to discuss an arms embargo.'

(https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg798l439ydo)

Oh, look: "...the Uncommitted movement - which has urged Democrats to boycott the election..."

Yeah, the all-Gaza-all-the-time crowd bears no responsibility for Trump. None whatsoever.

@the
Womtongue

your
Incessant
Deflections
show the world
your conscience
knows Better than
your words can conceal

the smarmiest
man in the
room?

Always.

@60: Adding "deflections" to the Great Big List of (Mostly Long) Words you have absolutely no idea how to use, eh?

Go argue with the BBC.

@60

oh, balls!
there I go
Again! that
Shouldda been

to:
"@the
WoRmtogue"

apologies!

@62

oh, ballses!
there I go, yet
fucking Again! that
Actually Shouldda been

to:
"@the
WoRmtoNgue"!

deeper
Apologies!

[hey, @tS:
sure could
use an Edit
Button here!

THNX! --@k]

@61 -- thanks,
sliver-tongue! (the
List L e n g t h e n s)

also:

"the Smarmiest
dude in the Whole
mutha~fawkin' Room."

--Classic!

"...the Uncommitted movement - which has urged Democrats to boycott the election..."

And it worked! The 2024 electorate was millions of voters smaller than the 2020 electorate. And if the 2024 electorate had been the same size, and voted the same way, as the 2020 electorate, Harris would be president:

"Kamala Harris won 74,999,166 votes or 48.3 percent of the votes cast. That was 6,285,500 fewer popular votes than Biden won in 2020, but 774,847 more than Trump won in 2020." (https://www.cfr.org/article/2024-election-numbers)

So the Uncommitted movement got what they'd wanted. Millions of persons boycotted the 2024 election, and Harris lost. Why they're not taking credit for this now is beyond me; how many groups have swung a presidential election so decisively?

@62, @63:
"sure could
use an Edit
Button here!"

Well, we cannot reasonably expect that someone who has posted as infrequently as you have could use this system flawlessly, now can we?

Maybe after you've made several times as many posts, you'll get better?

Good luck with that.

@64 damn sounds like Kamala was incredibly stupid to insist she'd never do what these Uncommitted folks wanted given that cost her the election. I guess unconditional support for Israel was more important to her than becoming President.

@65: Damn sounds like Uncommitted movement was incredibly stupid to insist on throwing the election to Trump, seeing as he wants to cleanse Gaza of Palestinians. Kinda the opposite of what they said they wanted, no?

How many votes would she have lost for promising an embargo? The Uncommitted folks never quite got around to answering that one, it seems.

But I'm glad you're finally giving Uncommitted credit for helping to elect Trump.

@66 "How many votes would she have lost for promising an embargo? The Uncommitted folks never quite got around to answering that one, it seems."

You think Pro-Israel people would have abandoned her campaign if she had stopped sending arms to Israel? So wait, let me get this straight, are you implying people on both sides of the issue would choose not to support a candidate who was explicitly on the opposite side? Like people choose whether to support a candidate based on whether or not that candidate aligns with them on the issues they consider most important? Mind blowing!

While we're doing hypotheticals, if she had committed to an arms embargo and as a result American Jews refused to vote for her and Trump won, after Musk threw up the Nazi salute would you and your alter-ego thumpus have spent the past several months mocking them and their concerns like you've done Arab Americans?

"You think Pro-Israel people would have abandoned her campaign if she had stopped sending arms to Israel?"

Depends on the pro-Israel person in question. Trump had already taken money from someone who wanted Gaza razed and hotel-casinos built on the Med' shoreline. Someone in favor of that outcome would definitely have preferred a Trump victory.

"Like people choose whether to support a candidate based on whether or not that candidate aligns with them on the issues they consider most important? Mind blowing!"

What the Uncommitted folks refused to understand was that their choice was only between Harris and Trump, and the latter has spoken in support of deporting all Palestinians from Gaza. There was no choice where an embargo would happen, as your very next point makes clear:

"While we're doing hypotheticals, if she had committed to an arms embargo and as a result American Jews refused to vote for her and Trump won,"

So, in your hypothetical, she would have lost the election anyway, but from promising an illegal arms embargo. In my book, promising to break the law is the very best reason for a candidate to lose an election, so I would have been fine with that.

"...would you and your alter-ego thumpus have spent the past several months mocking them and their concerns like you've done Arab Americans?"

Quotes and URLs, please.

Again, thank you for recognizing Uncommitted and Abandon Harris helped Trump to win. That was all they accomplished, and it may yet get Palestinians deported from Gaza.