Two stupid blurbs about ICE, and still fails to mention the attack on the ICE facility in Alvarado Texas, where 11 ANTIFA militants were arrested for attempted murder and one Alvarado police officer was shot in the neck with an AR-style rifle by one of the ANTIFA turds. Way to go, Slog, you're so "progressive".

Heart is a Canadian band.

Was not expecting a Wolfenstein 3D deep pull this morning, but here we are and now I want to play again for the first time in 20+ years.

Bezos selling stock isn't newsworthy. He does it every year to fund his giant dick measuring contest of a company, Blue Origin. Who knew sending D-list celebs to space cost so much??

Whether speed-running building boats is a bad thing depends on what you're building. If you want to have the yard punch out more copies of the first few boats you're already having them build, then you can get them relatively quickly and cheaper. If you're building "exactly the same except [a long list of changes]" it leads to delays and expense.

It wouldn't surprise me if it would be cheaper to have Eastern Shipbuilding build more copies of the current contract of three 160-car boats on an extension of the current contract than to switch to smaller 130-car boats that would replace the Issaquah class boats.

I see we are still doing the "waste a fuck ton ferry electrification project" which will not improve ferry service, will not reduce ferry rates and will have absolutely no measurable impact on the environment. Smart! It's also sad to see these new boats built in Florida when we used to have a strong ship building industry of our own. But of course, Florida is a state which actually wants heavy industry to grow while we do everything in our power to run them off.

The folks at the Stranger are still butt hurt about Bezos decamping WA for Florida. He was an early adopter. Many more millionaires and billionaires will abandon this state as our tax system becomes more and more confiscatory.

Of course Trump can fire executive branch workers. Only nutjob Jackson voted against Trump. The remaining justices understand that the President controls the executive branch.

I'm glad the ICE agents were able to get through the crowd without injury to themselves. Obviously they are entitled to drive away when being accosted by protestors. Don't get in their way because the law will not protect you.

There hasn't been a single ICE abduction. There have been many legal and prudent arrests for immigration violations however. It almost seems like folks could avoid their deportations simply by choosing not to invade the US. But what the heck do I know?

@1 - eat shit

@1 crying helps so keep it up you’re doing great

@6 - right back at ya

@7 - eat shit

@5 We had a strong shipbuilding industry, then the suits got involved. Vigor got out of the newbuilding business because newbuilds only make 10% profits and they wanted 30% profits like their conversion and repair business lines get. Incidentally, that's why the Wenatchee was late and way over budget--Vigor does that every time. Dakota Creek in Anacortes doesn't do state government work because of bad experiences in the past. Also, they're in the process of being sold after the longtime owner died. Nichols on Whidbey Island can't really build this size boat, though they claim they can. Nobody else in the area (Lake Union Drydock, Stabbert, Hansen) has the capacity to build that scale of boats.

And the shipyards weren't run off by the state. They've been killed by strings of bad contracts (Marco, Martinac, Foss), industry busts (a number of fishing boat yards) or being bought by larger competitors (ahem, Vigor).

I guarantee that none of you naive Seattle "progressives" were even aware of the attack in Alvarado until I I started posting about it here yesterday.

@11: Yes, you get all the credit. None of us Naive Progressives read any other news sources but Slog AM.

@12 - Like I wrote. I do notice that you totally failed to actually dispute my statement.

If the bros from another frat launch their skyrockets into an upper-floor window, it's bound to start a serious fire.

@11 I sure wasn't so thank you for bringing it to my attention so I can donate to their legal defense GoFundMes

@15 - you're going to donate jack shit. You know it, and I know it.

@16 keep those tears flowing bro you got this

@17 - you're also going to donate jack shit, goofy naive "progressive".

@4, But will the NTSB recommend they have tug escorts approaching all turns and docks to prevent the occasional costs of groundings and wiping out dock infrastructure?

@12, Why do Progressives still read The Stranger now that, under Noisy Creek, they have gone soft on the war on guns and the war on cars?

Touch my Kindle at your peril.

@18, A good Progressive shouldn't have any money. They should have donated it all to the government for the collective good. They should have turned down all merit based promotions to insure that their income remains equal to their fellow workers.

"Celebrate by throwing a stranger’s Kindle in the lake, or by tripping a bald guy in a bad tux"

Slog advocates committing violence against strangers because of what devices they have & because of their personal appearance.

Way to go Slog, you're soooooooo "progressive" and sNaRKy

@20, How many times do people need to tell you they don’t give a fuck what the stranger shares in the morning news before you accept it and move on to another weird obsession no one cares about. If people want to read about how dangerous guns and cars are they can read those stories in any of the countless mainstream media outlet that report the actual news. This is just a hastily compiled blog post and the only people who gaf what stories they post are annoying weirdos who hate everything about this place and can’t stop whining about it. No one else cares, dude.

@24 - only annoying naive uninformed weirdos (like you) don't care about The Stranger's blatant "progressive" hypocrisy.

barth @24, I'm curious. Does NotMyopic give you a kickback every time you respond to one of NotMyopic's posts exactly as NotMyopic wants you to respond to one of his posts?

You write: "How many times do people need to tell you they don’t give a fuck..." For someone who wants to speak on behalf of everyone who doesn't give a fuck, It seems you really do give a fuck about not giving a fuck.

This reminds me of a line from Yosemite Sam, "Shut up shuttin' up." Not that I'm tell you that, barth. I'm just reminded of that line.

I'll hand the baton back to you so that you can take the entirely wrong lesson from my comment, as I'm sure you will. (In which case, I might ask myself, "Why am I even bothering to write this comment myself?")

@24, Obviously you care. Look at the time you just devoted to the topic.

@23, Not a true threat. Protected speech. Of course they don't like it when others engage in similarly protected speech that describes violence that isn't a true threat.

@19 The NTSB has and will recommend that ports take steps to prevent ships from hitting bridge piers. What those measures are is up to the ports. Some ports (including Baltimore) may find that requiring tug escorts is more cost-effective than armoring bridge support piers. They won't recommend or require anything about docks. It's entirely possible that you don't know the difference between a bridge pier and a dock. That would be par for the "NotMyopic thinks they're way smarter on a topic than they actually are" course.

Is getting your butt kicked on this particular issue a kink or something? Because I'm kinda uncomfortable being part of your scene.

@25, On the contrary, I’m so well informed that i don’t cry like a baby when stories aren’t posted here bc i have other news sources and don’t expect a regional nightlife blog to tell me what’s happening and how to feel about it.

You guys are so conditioned to being spoonfed right wing content that you think everyone is waiting around to receive our daily talking points but we know how to think for ourselves.

@26, The only topic i just devoted my time to was calling you a loser. If i cared that the stranger wasn’t posting about whatever story you’re crying about today i would say “i can’t believe the stranger didn’t share that story today, as a hackneyed progressive stereotype i feel so betrayed” but instead i told you that no one cares for like the 50th time.

barth @28, you're certainly entitled to be the self-appointed policeman of the Slog AM comment threads. I know the rest of us never cease to be entertained, enlightened, and informed by your diligent expressions of annoyance. Goodness knows, NotMyopic needs somebody to amplify his quirky obsessions.

I suppose as long as I'm thinking about Looney Toons, I guess I can think of NotMyopic as the Roadrunner and you as Wile E. Coyote.

You: "You guys are so conditioned to being spoonfed right wing content...." Boy, it looks like I have some catching up to do on this front. Barth, if there are any right-wing news sources you'd recommend, I'd appreciate it.

@ 28 - I am not crying. I am mocking you. Learn to discern the difference, the fact that you seemingly are unable to do so is hilarious.

@29, You sure devote a lot of keystrokes to something you don't care about.

Thank you, Vivian, for the Heart classic, Crazy on You, from Dreamboat Annie (1976).
Go, Ann and Nancy Wilson---keep on rockin' and don't ever stop! :)

31 you created a profile to whine about a story that wasn’t covered here and to tell people to eat shit when they laugh at you, sorry but your actions speak for themselves

32 i have never claimed to not care that you’re an idiot and obviously it concerns me a great deal because i can’t stop telling you this

@34 - and yet you're still just a naive white-guilt- ridden Seattle "progressive" stereotype

35 beats being a nazi who has a sad because someone tried to hurt their favorite paramilitary goon squad and no one cares

@36
I'm not a "nazi", but I don't really care if you call me one. You're still a stereotypical naive white-guilt Seattle "progressive", though, and the Feds are coming to push your shit in very soon.

@37 How very ... not at all fascist of you.

38 - call me anything you want. I'm still right though

“I’m not a nazi, i just think immigrants should be put in concentration camps for minor civil infractions and that the government should punish you for opposing this”

No one ever said nazis were smart

"opposing this”, to you, apparently includes shooting a police officer in the neck with an AR. Nobody ever said you were smart either. Way to go, dumbass.

@2 DOUG: You're half right. Ann and Nancy Wilson are California born (San Diego and San Fransisco, respectively, according to Google) but grew up in Seattle and Bellevue. Since the early years of Heart their fellow band members are Canadian, from Vancouver, B.C. Ann joined the band in 1970. The Wilson sisters were living in Vancouver when their breakthrough album, Dreamboat Annie premiered in 1976. Nancy Wilson was married for 24 years (1986-2010) to filmmaker Cameron Crowe. They have twin sons.

I didn’t shoot anyone, i’m just not losing any sleep over fascist goons getting what they dish out

@43 - the Alvarado police officer who was shot by your ANTIFA turds wasn't a "fascist goon", just a regular cop who was called to the scene of what, at the time, was just vandalism, and then he was shot. He isn't even ICE. Do you think all cops are "fascist goons"? You can't hide your obvious glee and approval. Oh well, those ANTIFAtards are going to go away for at least 10 years to Federal fudgepack prison. Some of them are "trans" too, and I'm sure you'll cry when your "comrades" are rotting in the men's prison instead of being able to prey on actual women at the women's prison. LOL

Yes i am gleeful that people are standing up against an unlawful and blatantly unconstitutional organization and i don’t see what the problem is. This is basically the plot to inglorious basterds. We’ll get to the truth and reconciliation phase eventually but in the meantime ice and their enablers can all eat shit.

Also if you’re going to try to make antifa happen again please note it’s not an acronym.

"Also if you’re going to try to make antifa happen again please note it’s not an acronym."

Whatever it is, it's still a stupid word, not only stupid-looking (like all the ANTIFAtard reject losers themselves), but stupid-sounding as well. You might as well call yourselves the "Anti-Badguy Squad", and label anyone that you disagree with as the "Badguys".

"This is basically the plot to inglorious basterds."
That's a fictional movie, dumbass.

@33: Glad to see you back! We were starting to worry about you :) My favorite of theirs's is Dog and Butterfly

@46-47: You need to pace yourself babe. Or go get some ice cream with psob and Babyback or something. xoxo

@44 "the Alvarado police officer who was shot by your ANTIFA turds wasn't a "fascist goon", just a regular cop ... He isn't even ICE"

So you agree ICE at least are fascist goons? Maybe you're not as hopeless as you seem

@50 - Play your stupid word-games with someone else

It's weird to me how many right wing nazi types spend their morning reading a blog written by a bunch of queers, girls and people of color just so they can whine about it all day. Don't you guys have some crosses to burn somewhere or something?

"Don't you guys have some crosses to burn somewhere or something?"

No, it's more fun to mock you naive white-guilt "progressives".

@ Vawoli: Sigh...You seem to be unaware that the Alvarado event has been under-exposed nationwide in the mainstream press - it's not just TS. As a Seattle progressive, I actually quite agree with you that this is egregious. But your conclusion that this kind of selective promotion of national new events is part of a conspiracy to make "Antifa" look like the "villain" is ridiculous. Accordingly, I don't see your point in harping on the fact that you were the first person to introduce this news item to SLOG. If anything, you have exposed progressive readers to glad tidings that they might otherwise have missed; personally, it always warms me to the cockles of my heart to encounter anti-fascist activity. I don't consider anyone who builds their career on fascist brutality (a description that applies to every ICE officer) a victim if they get shot in the neck while discharging their horrific duties.

History has shown that the mainstream press will ignore progressive political agitation ("Antifa," in vawoli's parlance) for as long as possible. If there's been any conspiracy to suppress the Alvarado event, its purpose has been to keep pro-democracy and human rights activists from getting any uppity ideas.

What immigrant took this incel's job at GameStop and can they give it back so he leaves us alone

@2 and @42 I'm gonna go with @2 -- formed in Canada, and the Wilson sisters grew up in Bellevue.

And what is a 40/60 chance? 2/3 chance? 40%? 60%?

Update: oops - my mistake. The officer who was shot wasn't ICE. My condolences to the injured, but that doesn't effectively change anything I said. I don't think all cops are fascist goons, but last time I checked, getting shot was a job risk that law enforcement recruits. He wouldn't have been shot if a fascist organization like ICE didn't require his presence to protect them from the inevitable public backlash.

@55 - you'd be more honest and true to the point you are attempting to make to just stick your fingers in your ears and shout "WAAAH WAAAAH WAAAAAAH I CAN'T HEAR YOU WAAAH WAAAAAAH WAAAAAAH!!!"

47 i never said it was a documentary dipshit, just that it glamorized killing nazis and it was a massive mainstream success. I thought this point was self-evident but i forgot who i was talking to.

@27, "The NTSB has and will recommend that ports take steps to prevent ships from hitting bridge piers. .... Some ports (including Baltimore) may find that requiring tug escorts is more cost-effective than armoring bridge support piers."

So which is it Boatgeek? They are recommending preventing ships from hitting bridge pierce or the are recommending armoring bridge supports if they do? If you do the former, you don't need the latter.

The fact that the NTSB is not being specific, as they often are with the FAA, recommending specific technology and remedies, (e.g. TCAS for aircraft mid-air collision avoidance, rather than just generally saying, "Find ways to avoid mid-air collisions) is VERY TELLING. The NTSB is very granular and specific in their recommendations when they think that granular specifics are the way to go. The fact that they aren't being granular and specific tells you they didn't think tugs were important enough to recommend them specifically.

It also contradicts earlier prognostications of yours that tug escorts would be the outcome.

In an air crash there is one regulatory agency to accept or reject what the NTSB recommends. The NTSB can only recommend, its up to the FAA to implement it or not. The fact that there is that one-to-one relationship, and the FAA can't pass the buck to anyone else if they don't do what NTSB recommends, and there is a future air crash because the FAA did not mandate what the NTSB suggested, greatly increases the pressure and likelihood that FAA will require the specific technology or granular fix that the NTSB recommends.

Unlike when the FAA mandates something under pressure from the NTSB, a bridge can still be built and operated in disregard of the NTSB's recommendation. The FAA says to Boeing, Airbus, and friends, you must have "x" on your plane or it won't be allowed to fly. There is no similar regulatory authority for bridge operators.

Not so with the thousands of bridges, operated by hundreds or different agencies, over navigable waterways. They will look at the NTSB report, say they weren't specifically recommending a specific action, only that they look into what might be done, realize whatever might be done costs money, and go, "meh". To not get the "meh" outcome would require a Congressional mandate, via new law, which ain't gonna happen absent one or two similar bridge collapse maritime collisions a year, with large loss of life in each.

So we won't see the tugs you were advocating for in the wake of the accident. Your prediction that it was likely, probable, or prudent, won't come to pass.

Not one single Congressman, not even the Congressman representing the district where the Francis Scott Key Bridge fell, has introduced a bill to require tug escorts. NOT ONE.

I don't think ICE is fascist, I think they are patriots who are protecting their country and serving their fellow citizens.

BUT, even I am a bit put off by Vowali. He's a little too intense for my liking. Chill, bro, chill.

I don't see how anybody is armoring a bridge pier to withstand a collision with a large moving container ship. With the weight and momentum of the ship, I find it unlikely any armoring would be up to the task. That is a tremendous amount of energy to absorb / dissipate.

Tug escorts seem more reasonable to me. And the tugs are already in the harbor. Maybe expensive but more likely to actually help the situation by stopping a drifting vessel.

@59 - and yet here you are, trying to compare the plot of a fictional movie about fighting Nazis and winning, to a bunch of antifa turds who literally lost (getting caught and facing a minimum 10 year sentence in Federal fudgepacking prison counts as losing in my book). Your comparison sucked on a couple of different levels.

@45, ICE is a unconstitutional institution? Please provide your case law to support that assertion. The Constitution, as long and consistently interpreted by SCOTUS, says otherwise.

"Long-standing Supreme Court precedent recognizes Congress as having "plenary" power over immigration, giving it almost complete authority to decide whether foreign nationals ("aliens," under governing statutes and case law) may enter or remain in the United States.1 But while Congress’s power over immigration is well established, defining its constitutional underpinnings is more difficult. The Constitution does not mention immigration, but parts of the Constitution address related subjects. The Supreme Court has sometimes relied upon Congress’s powers over naturalization (the term and conditions in which an alien becomes a U.S. citizen),2 foreign commerce,3 and, to a lesser extent, upon the Executive Branch’s implied Article II foreign affairs power,4 as sources of federal immigration power.5 While these powers continue to be cited as supporting the immigration power, since the late nineteenth century, the Supreme Court has described the power as flowing from the Constitution’s establishment of a federal government.6 The United States government possesses all the powers incident to a sovereign, including unqualified authority over the Nation’s borders and the ability to determine whether foreign nationals may come within its territory.7 The Supreme Court has generally assigned the constitutional power to regulate immigration to Congress, with executive authority mainly derived from congressional delegations of authority.8"

"In exercising its power over immigration, Congress can make laws concerning aliens that would be unconstitutional if applied to citizens.9"

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S8-C18-8-1/ALDE_00001255/

The 5th and 14th Amendments apply to immigrants, even though they are not citizens, the instant they touch U.S. soil. That means they must be given due process and the right to challenge their detention for allegedly not complying with conditions for their entering and remaining in the U.S. under the terms set by Congress. That means a hearing where they can argue that they entered the U.S. in compliance with the requirements set by Congress, and remain under the terms set by Congress.

They need not be convicted of a crime to be removed. They aren't entitled to a jury trial. "Probable cause" is not needed to detain them on the allegation they entered or remain unlawfully in the U.S. ICE can pick up a non-citizen at any time and assert a non-citizen entered or remains unlawfully.

A determination at that hearing that they entered or remain unlawfully in the U.S. doesn't require evidence beyond a reasonable doubt, just a preponderance of the evidence. Once they have exhausted all the due process to challenge their deportation afforded to them by Congress, ICE can put them on a plane. Hence ICE showing up at Immigration Hearings, and when the hearing officer doesn't find in their favor, and they don't ask for a stay pending appeal to the final layer of due process afforded by Congress, ICE can put them on a plane.

The problem, if there is one, isn't ICE. It is that there are no Constitutional rights to enter or remain in the U.S., there is only whatever rights Congress has chosen to grant for entry to, or remaining in, the U.S. for a non-citizen. The only thing that a non-citizen may challenge is the assertion by ICE that the immigrant hasn't dotted every "i" and crossed every "t" that Congress has required for them to enter or remain here.

And no I don't support the deportation of immigrants where they have not been granted the due-process hearings and appeals granted by Congress, or the defying of rulings in those hearings. I don't support the deportation of people in defiance of court orders. That has occurred; however, that does not mean that the rest of the deportations, where that due process has been observed are unlawful or unconstitutional.

63 no i am saying that even normies hate fascists so much that it’s completely mainstream to fantasize about killing them, jfc you really do need everything spoonfed to you

@62, You are absolutely correct with that analysis.

Because tugs are more expensive than the annualized cost of bridge replacement and repair, given how rarely they are hit, and how rarely they collapse when they do, it won't happen.

With all regulation, there is a cost per life saved. We have effectively decided its too costly, beyond a certain dollar amount, to save additional lives, or not worth the trade-offs (e.g. reduced gas mileage, and more carbon emissions, from adding more weight to the passenger vehicle to make crashes more infrequent, and more survivable). It's trade-offs.

The FAA for example, uses $9.6 million per life as their regulatory threshold. If implementing the regulation increases cost more than $9.6 million, it doesn't happen. How safe is safe enough? There is a dollar value for determining that.

@65 - tell yourself whatever it is you need to imagine about me to make yourself feel better, but in the end, you're the one jumping through my hoops.

Nobody fuckin here on this rag has ever been a fuckin nazi or fascist. You people are so far away from understanding the sentiments of a real nazi it isn't even funny.

67 Im not imagining anything, i know for a fact you’re an idiot bc it took 3 comments for me to explain an extremely obvious point to you

@60 JFC, you're a fool. Actually, scratch that, that's unkind to fools. I'll try this one more time, and then you're on your own.

NTSB didn't tell bridge owners what to do with their bridges because no analysis had been done. In fact, if you look at the NTSB report, the recommendation is that bridge owners evaluate the bridges to AASTHO standards for ship collisions. There is no way in hell that NTSB is going to recommend that anybody do anything in advance of that analysis being done. Heck, it's possible (unlikely, but possible) that all of the bridges already meet the AASHTO standards, and nothing needs to be done.

NTSB was never going to tell ports to use tug escorts. I never said that they would. I said that ports would almost certainly find it cheaper to use tug escorts than to rebuild bridges to meet ship collision standards. I stand by that conclusion, too. NTSB would probably prefer that bridges meet the AASHTO ship collision standards, since passive (ie built into the system) safety measures are generally preferred to active (ie requiring human intervention) measures. But it's also telling that NTSB didn't tell bridge owners to upgrade their bridges. They simply said to do the analysis and take action on the results. If tug escorts were a nonstarter for NTSB, they'd have just said to retrofit the bridges to meet the AASHTO standards.

OMG, no Congresscritters have introduced legislation to mandate tug escorts?! Congress hasn't moved to impose a solution before determining if there's a problem! Why that's amazing! Especially since tug escorts aren't mandated by Congress*! They're mandated by the states and local authorities! And you're a fool (sorry for the insult, actual fools) for not knowing that! MAYBE YOU CAN MAKE UP FOR YOUR TOTAL LACK OF UNDERSTANDING OF THE PROBLEM WITH SOME ALL CAPS THOUGH! And some overwrought language!!!1!!1!

The bridge owners will probably do a study on their bridges, simply because they're likely opening themselves up to liability if they don't. And once they've done that study, they'll make a decision about what to do next. I agree that it's vanishingly unlikely that they'll spend the money to upgrade to AASHTO standards if they don't already meet those standards. It's an unfunded mandate, there's no money coming from this USDOT for those changes, and nobody has a few hundred million lying around going unused.

But here's another thing you don't know, which gets to @62's statement. Tug escorts cost the port and the bridge owner nothing. They're paid by the ships. And they're insignificant in the grander scheme of port and shipping costs. The Dali would have paid ~$10K-$20K to extend their ship docking tugs to an escort through the bridge. That's about $1-$2 per TEU on board. When the shipper is paying a thousand or two dollars to move that container, it's noise. And no, shippers won't go to another port over that charge.

Once state and local authorities find out they have a problem, tug escorts are by far the cheapest way for them to have claimed to have Done Something about it. Of course, that won't happen for some time yet because they have to figure out if there's a problem first.

You're so much dumber than you think you are.

Except for the oil tanker escorts in and out of Prince William Sound.

69 - the fact that you imagine that I never got your point, even for a split second, proves just how stupid you actually are.

Again, you are jumping through MY hoops.

Again, not my imagination, just responding directly to your words. You know we can just scroll up and read your comments right.

Keep jumping little doggie
Good boy!

New details about the story that the naive "progressives" here at Slog love to hate!

Alvarado ICE facility attack: Military veteran wanted for allegedly shooting 2 rifles

ALVARADO, Texas - An additional suspect is being sought in connection with what officials are calling an "ambush" at the ICE detention facility in Alvarado on July 4.

The suspect is believed to have fired two AR-15-style rifles at three officers, and his criminal complaint document says he was in the U.S. Marine Corps Reserves for five years.

The latest:
Benjamin Hanil Song, 32, of Dallas, has six charges pending in relation to the ambush at the Prairieland Detention Center. Song is believed to have fired towards two correctional officers and one Alvarado Police Department officer.

His charges are listed in a criminal complaint document obtained by FOX 4 on Wednesday as three counts of attempted murder of a federal officer and three of discharging a firearm during, in relation to, and in furtherance of a crime of violence.

While others in the group of 10-12 lured officers out of the facility, the document says Song was positioned in nearby woods with two rifles, from where he and at least one other suspect opened fire on the law enforcement agents.

The document says both rifles found afterward in the woods were found to have been purchased by Song. One of the rifles was allegedly fitted with a binary trigger, which is used to double the rate of fire of a semi-automatic gun. The document implies that the device was likely an aftermarket modification.

Since the July 4 attack, Song has possibly been seen once on a DFW Airport camera on Sunday. The document says he is believed to have spent the night following the attack hiding in the woods near the facility.

The document notes that Song served in the U.S. Marine Corps Reserves from 2011 to 2016, at which point he received an other than honorable discharge.

What's next:
The FBI is now offering a $25,000 reward for information leading to Song's arrest.

https://www.fox4news.com/news/military-veteran-alvarado-ice-attack

Right wingers always tell us the 2nd amendment shall not be infringed in order to protect the first and all others. Then someone shoots at paramilitary gestapo and suddenly they want to arrest those just upholding their constitutional rights.

76 - there is no constitutional right to attack law enforcement officers, with firearms or any other kind of weapon, you blithering idiot.

Whoops I meant @75 hahaha
You're still a blithering idiot though, 75.

@77. You're a blathering shitbag who clearly doesn't understand the difference between constitutional law enforcement and secret police. Go ahead and defend the SS though.

Point out where in the Constitution it says it's ok to shoot law enforcement (or anyone) if you think that what they're doing is an "unconstitutional" activity of "secret police", idiot.

@65: "...no i am saying that even normies hate fascists so much that it’s completely mainstream to fantasize about killing them,"

Nazis have been (correctly) vilified in the US for generations. It should come as no surprise Hollywood made big bucks from proven box-office draws enacting a kill-Nazis fantasy. Any other result would have been a surprise.

Not all fascists are Nazis. That Americans will respond positively to a big-budget Hollywood kill-Nazis fantasy does not automatically mean Americans hate real, living fascists.

Also, CDizzle, I'd bet $10 you don't own a firearm, and have never fired one.

Totally unrelated, are you black?

Every legitimate law enforcement officer swears an oath to protect the Constitution of the United States from enemies foreign and domestic. When the constitution is ignored in order to deprive due process from undocumented immigrants and U.S. citizens alike with armed jackbooted thugs, then you are exchanging your freedoms for domestic insecurity and tyranny in order to uphold unjust laws passed without the consent of the governed in order to enrich private prison shareholders who profit from our tax dollars. When law enforcement becomes nothing more than a mercenary force, it is no different than taxation without representation and occupation by a foreign government. When ICE officers uphold the Constitution they can be rightfully deemed law enforcement. Until then, they are a glorified gang of masked thugs disappearing innocents and turning America into a fascist nightmare that oppresses its own people to the detriment of all those who once enjoyed the blessings of liberty.

I don't own a firearm because guns are for cowards who live in fear. I prefer to let my fists do the talking. However, I have fired a machine gun before.

Totally unrelated, are you white?

Scar hires the hyenas to enforce the laws of Pride Rock. Shitbag Vawoli complains when Simba and his friends fight back that they are attacking law enforcement officers.

I asked you first

@83 I don't watch Disney/children's movies, and I don't take "life lessons" from such crap. You have a real penchant for relying on fictions though

@85. That's a shame, it's no wonder you never grew up. Fiction is the lie that tells the truth. And I always tell the truth, even when I lie.

@86 hahahahaha I bet you thought that was soooooo very deep.

@5 You have made me realize that I don't actually want to thrown Nazis like you into re-education camps. No, once Democrats are back in control, we need to go full Nuremberg with you Fascist scum. Government employees are supposed to be public servants, not an oppressive secret police. Any ICE agent who drives throw a crowd of protestors should be treated exactly the same as I would if I drove through a crown of MAGA supporters. Someone really needs to teach you to dance!

@88, let's start at the top.
2029 deport the cheetohhitler to the Hague to face war crimes charges (his attack on Iran was unprovoked and illegal by international law, and the US won't charge him because we're pussies.).
Since the cheetohhitler thinks there aren't any rules for presidents, we can do exactly what he does, deport him. He sends folks to South Sudan, NL is a bit more civilized.
Need a dem or new party that is willing to use the tools of the enemy against him. Calling Boromir!

@68 if you're anti antifa... that makes you a fascist. Or do literally none of you understand what antifa means and it's just a random word you heard once and repeat like your Lets Go Brandon BS because that's what it seems like?

Holy shit... looks like a bunch of people didn't take their meds yesterday. Such a lovely discourse that I'm sure solved all of the world's problems.

68: Mere ideological and political choices doesn't make one a fascist or a nazi. There hasn't been a real nazi or fascist since the 40s and 50s in the last century. Just wannabes. Read your history, fool.

Previous comment goes to @90.

@90: "...if you're anti antifa... that makes you a fascist. Or do literally none of you understand what antifa means..."

You literally do not understand what 'logical fallacy' means.

@48 Lissa: Thank you! I am glad to be back. I have been on hiatus for health issues and needed to take a break from social media. I love Heart's song, Dog and Butterfly, too, with a lot of others. My biggest Heart thrill was winning tickets to Heart's 2002 Summer of Love Concert performance at the Paramount through KZOK Radio.
I was the lucky 10th caller, and finally got to see and hear them rocking the house live. WOO-HOO--look at me!
@49 Lissa, re @46 and @47 ad nauseum: I have determined that ol' violent woolie is beyond help. Especially when his too tight britches are riding his Grand Canyon scale buttcrack. Not even Ben and Jerry's will save him.

@56 The Chicken: I'm going by Ann and Nancy Wilson's biographies.
The Wilsons moved around a lot growing up because their dad was in the U.S. Marine Corps.
And my sources say that the classic rock band, Heart is actually Seattle, Washington based.

@88 Greenwood Bob: BabyBackRibs is unfortunately just as lost a cause as his too-big-for-his-britches brother, violent woolie. Like lemmings they'll lose everything in their futile race to the bottom.
But like you, I, too, would love to see Felon Mu$k, his Mein Trumpf, their KKKrooked KKKabinet, and all MAGAs dancing to a reenactment of Judgment at Nuremberg. Poetic justice would finally be served.

@55 thirteen12, re: @58: Never mind violent woolie. Like BabyBackRibs and Mr. Magoo, he obediently takes his miscues from raindrop. He's only howling because his limp lil 'shroom just got stuck in the zipper of the fly of his fat boy jeans after a trip back from the crapper. How's he gonna explain this em-bare-ass-ing pre-dick-a-ment to his mama, as well as to the paramedics in the nearest ER who will very likely be laughing their "seen-it-all-before" asses off during surgery in the examining room? Methinks ol' violent woolie isn't a day over 14, is bored to tears with middle school remedial out for summer, and is using his mama's account to pass the time.