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Fast forward many (pill-free healthy-libido) years, once I got willfully pregnant, my libido was nuts, not in the good way. No desire at the right time with the right person (my husband), strange flushes of hormones at home alone that felt so purely physical I couldn't even find porn or fantasy to accompany it, it was just eyes-closed physical focus.
So if pregnancy is that crazy and the pill mimics it, Dan's advice might be worth trying.Get off it, use other methods, see how you feel.
Lots of people don't like porn, that is not being 'broken'. You don't have to view liking porn as a goal.
Consider other libido killers: too much stress, too little sleep or exercise, etc.
Thinking of yourself as broken and trying too hard won't help either.
I doubt that would be the only factor at play here, but perhaps once she's off the pill, she'll realize that she's simply not all that into him, and that her body simply wants to have sex with someone else.
Makes me wonder why all the right wing moral scolds are so anti-contraception? Since it appears the pill doesn't turn the ladies into mindless sluts. Seems they'd want all those horny lady folk tamed by the pill.
When people call something "ghetto" in actual current reality, it ain't about Jews.
However, the Cervical Cap is a barrier method that I can recommend highly.
Smaller, a tighter fit and easier to insert than a diaphragm, and definitely not a libido killer.
@13 i believe it's the "revisionist" that's doing all the work, and your post is evidence for that.
Everyone but Dan seems to be ignoring this little tidbit. If the LW has been diagnosed with depression and anxiety, these may greatly impact libido and ability to orgasm. Furthermore, if she has a diagnosis, she may be on medication for either or both (she doesn't mention it, but medication is common with diagnosis). Many drugs used to treat depression and/or anxiety can also greatly impact libido and ability to orgasm. It is entirely likely that the depression, anxiety, or drugs to treat either has more to do with her not being able to orgasm than the pill.
I would strongly recommend talking to your doctor about this before cutting off any of the medications. You could stop taking the pill and find that it makes no difference if the libido is being killed by depression or depression meds. A good doctor would probably have a better chance of figuring out which factors are causing the problem than random experimentation.
http://www.everydayhealth.com/sexual-hea…
And while you're at it...ask her/him to refer you to a good sex-positive counselor/shrink! You need to seriously examine your expectations about sex. (I never come and he’s always coming!) That sucks, and hence the OB/GYN/shrink advice, 'cause it sounds like you're holding that against the boyfriend, who is just doing what most twenty-something men/boys do - namely come at the drop of a hat.
As for the rest... you are 20, and I'd venture to say that there are other young women who who think they can't come out there as well. Don't feel like the Lone Ranger. And here's a little inside information, "A LOT of 20-something boys are fumbling around a pussy like blind mice looking for cheese in a maze. One of the things I have learned in my long and storied life is It takes time and experimentation to figure out what "winds your watch", and most helpful of all is throw off the guilt and repression the church (and maybe your parents) have drilled into your head. Anything in excess is not good, but a little porn is NO BIG DEAL. It makes me sad. I cry every time I think about him getting off...What a crock of shit!! Get over the idea that you can control what your boyfriend thinks (or watches)...YOU CAN'T! You have to accept us as we are - and if you can't do that, you will have a long and miserable life (unless you can find some Walter Mitty type that you can mold into your idea of a perfect man.) If you can't do that, do yourself, and this poor guy, a huge favor and move on.
And, by the way, if your guy was "into rape porn" in an all-consuming kind of way, you'd probably know it - as that sort of mindset usually shows up in a shitty personality.
She doesn't sound convinced she even wants to have an orgasm.
Many (not all) guys in their teens and 20's don't have the patience or the imagination, or they feel inadequate themselves for not being able to get you off, so they overlook it because it's easier than accepting they might need to learn something. Try telling your guy you'd like a session of just fooling around--nobody comes, you just figure out what kind of pressure and placement you like, and how long it can last before it stops feeling good. It will be weird, and it's often awkwardly clinical to get into "lower, no higher, no more left, lighter, not that light." It can feel weird to combine toys with being with a partner, and to add lube into the mix, so to speak. But if you treat it as an experiment with no stakes, and keep your sense of humor, you may make some nice discoveries. Even if you don't, spending time focusing on you might also help you feel closer and more valued in your relationship.
Your body will change, too, as you age. I couldn't stand having my breasts touched at 20; now it's amazing. In my 40's, I'm much more comfortable with my body, I'm not too shy to grab my partner's hand and say "feel that? It's my cervix, and it hurts when you repeatedly bang into it before I'm warmed up." And I found a terrific husband who is amazing at helping me feel sexy in and out of bed.
Best of luck.
You don't "phase out" hormonal birth control. You either take a pill every day or you don't take a pill every day. Just a point of clarification.
As for UTAH:
The porn is a red herring. I am highly sexual and I don't like porn either. I find it vulgar and embarrassing. I don't mind if other people look at it, including partners. You need to come to terms with partners looking at porn and it being their damn business what sort of porn. You don't want to share the porn experience with your boyfriend; you want to porn-shame him, so no wonder he won't talk about it with you. Let it go.
The low sex drive is probably linked to the lack of orgasms. I wouldn't be terribly keen to participate on a frequent basis in activities that were only going to leave me frustrated. Many, many women your age find it difficult to orgasm. I didn't learn the joy of masturbation until I was in my mid 20s. Shame and not knowing what I was trying to accomplish contributed to masturbation being a frustrating experience for me. Does your boyfriend go down on you, use his fingers or toys on you, or does he just fuck you? Most women do not come from PIV exclusively.
It's not weird that you've only had one partner at 20.
All I am trying to say is that you sound very normal for someone your age, and I hope you find something that works for you. In the meantime, enjoy the sex you are having, and explore new ways of having it. Good luck.
"Researchers looked at 33 years of studies that included more than 8,400 women taking birth control pills. Of those women, 22% reported a rise in their libido, 15% said they felt less desire, and 63% reported no change at all."
http://www.webmd.com/sex/birth-control/f…
Side effects vary. Some women experience negative side effects like weight gain (those who didn't want to gain weight... I'd have loved to experience the increased breast size my friends "complained" about), and some experience positive side effects like shorter and less painful periods. Women's bodies are very different and hormones affect us in myriad ways.
Reverse @18: Yes. I think there's a greater chance that the depression meds are interfering with her libido than the birth control.
Urgutha @20: It sounds to me like she is desperate to have an orgasm. In fact, she may be so desperate that her worry about it is ironically preventing it from happening.
So LW, please stop taking the pill, and stop blaming yourself for your lack of libido, you are only 20, and at your age, I still hadn't found out what turned me on neither how to act on it or what made me come. Just keep experimenting new things, both in bed and out of it. Try reading erotic tales, for instance, it worked for me. And don't think that porn must be the solution, even when you will find out what will work for you, and your libido rises, you might still not be interested in porn. I don't like it, for instance, even if I have nothing against it, I just don't find arousing.
My take while reading the letter was that it was a fake. I don't often get that vibe. It's just that we had someone describing something absolutely normal-- if a bit old fashioned-- while second guessing Dad by saying that she knew he disapproved of everything she was saying. She's in a monogamous relationship. She's had only one partner at 18. She's picky. She doesn't want to "experience" other people. She enjoys sex but doesn't come. She has no urge to masturbate. She doesn't like porn and doesn't like her boyfriend watching it. Her boyfriend initiates sex; she doesn't. It's like she's baiting Dan to go against his principles. For the first 4 paragraphs, I was convinced an older conservative male was the real writer. Something in the last 2 paragraphs seemed more real to me.
Then I read Dan's answer and liked it.
For UTAH: Hormonal birth control can affect libido. So can a lot of other things (like antidepressant meds). 18 is the right time for you to be figuring out what's normal for you. If you go off the Pill, you're going to need another form of birth control. Condoms are a good possibility. They can also help your boyfriend from coming too quickly for you. Talk to your doctor.
Right now, concentrate on enjoying sex without pressuring yourself to orgasm. That doesn't mean orgasms aren't important, just that the whole experience is important too. It's not a race to a goal.
Picky is good. Keep being picky.
More important than orgasms is treating your depression and anxiety. Look to everything else in your life that makes you feel good about yourself. Look at what you're great at: School? Friends? Talents?
And one more bit of advice: Learn the difference between "your" and "you're". It will help you be taken more seriously in the adult world. I'd say it was even more important than using the word "ghetto" correctly.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20487…
*and other authors with not nearly as funny names
The Wallwiener et al. three-way in 2015 found opposite, women NOT using hormonal contraceptive had lowest sexual functioning:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25905…
"Median FSFI [Female Sexual Function Index] was significantly lower in non-users (24.4) versus users (28.7) of contraception (p < 0.001)." [both studies used German-speaking female med students, hardly representative of a general population, much better educated about bodies and sexual functioning]
So, science says maybe, maybe not.
Yes, some women have trouble (persistent low level bleeding). But if you don't, it's the best thing that has ever happened. Try the hormonal one. The hormones are way lower than in the pill, and result in a nice long break from both PMS and your period, as well as preventing pregnancy.
Many, many women say "I don't get it. What's the big deal?" until well into their 20s, esp. re: intercourse. Ages 35+, 40s -- let's just say "orgasms so intense they cause loss of consciousness." I know a few men in their 40s who began relationships with women their own ages after divorce etc., and they reported absolute swinging-from-the-chandeliers sex, the most intense they'd ever had, because of how insanely their partners were into it. Whether that is because of women increasingly not giving a shit about all the social bullshit they are exposed to the older they get (notice how letter writer spends a ton of time comparing herself to what she thinks she's "supposed" to be doing -- something many women past 35 no longer care much about, resulting in a vastly freer sense of themselves), because of just having more practice, or because of things like your clitoris actually apparently getting larger as you age, I don't know -- probably a combo.
If I must choose between being able to exercise my freedom of speech as I see fit or conforming everything I say to win approval from a segment of the political spectrum that's decided censorship is good as long as they get to do the censoring......well, put it this way: I have much more use for my self-respect than I do for the likes of you, Dan.
I dunno... I didn't get that 'desperate to orgasm' vibe from her. I mean, some of the stuff she wrote:
"I have never really been that sexual."
"I rarely start the fooling around."
"I also don’t masturbate. I never have the urge to."
She talks about how maybe it's because of the pill, or maybe it's because of porn, but maybe... just maybe... she's just not into sex as much as she thinks she should be or thinks she is supposed to be? Instead of trying to force herself to want sex or to want to like porn, perhaps she can just try to accept that she doesn't and be ok with it?
"And by the way, you know, when you're telling these little stories? Here's a good idea - have a POINT. It makes it SO much more interesting for the listener!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JLbAePw…
Maybe not "fake" so much as she didn't know what's going on.
@39: Not quite word salad but she could certainly work on her thesis statement.
Pot is excellent for stimulating desire (everyone should try it—the planet as a whole would benefit).
Porn can easily become an addition (read: bad), especially in the internet age.
I recommend Sheri Winston 's book Women's Anatomy of Arousal for both info and skills, for UTAH and her boyfriend.
Libido doesn't always come naturally in this crazy sex-negative world where developing teens are being pumped with pharmaceuticals and hormones, and denied important life information about sex.
UTAH needs to get with a doctor and counselor who are both a woman friendly and sex positive, and adjust her birth control and treatment for depression.
Then she and her boyfriend, or a new boyfriend can start practicing skills. Women and men have entirely different patterns of arousal and pleasure, and if they are both expecting hers to be like his, she'll not get what she needs and wants.
How is "Please don't describe porn or anything else as "ghetto."" censorship? It is a request and an attempt to educate the LW on not only why some find the term offensive, but also about how they may be unwittingly presenting themselves to others. Censorship would be not allowing her to use the word, not even publishing her letter for using it. Not only did he post her letter, he also included the word without editing (aka CENSORSHIP).
I am a part black, but "passable" white person, with ancestors who were slaves and live (d) in the ghetto. I also have family members and loved ones with developmental disabilities.
I won't comment on the word "faggot" as you have more claim over that word than I, but I want to let you know what it communicates to me when I hear pejoratives against black people and the disabled. Just like body language and tone communicate more than your words on face value, so does the use of certain language. It tells me that a person may not be safe for my loved ones. They may discriminate against them, harm them, think them lesser humans, or not even human.
You are free to use whatever language you choose, and I will fight for your right to say it, no matter how distasteful I find it. However, some people appreciate a heads up when their language communicates something they don't intend. Dan just gave the LW a polite and measured heads up.
As an aside- I wonder where your line is? Do you have any words you choose not to use in public? Do you openly use the n-word for black people or the k-word for Jewish people too?
Retry masturbation, please! It can take a while for women to orgasm, even when flying solo, and especially when inexperienced. But it'll teach you about your own body and your desires, and it feels damn good, so it might make you more interested in sex.
Also, masturbating during penetration is divine. I find missionary to be the best position for it let him fuck you while you touch yourself. A+ orgasms!
Out of frustration (and fear there was something wrong with me) I switched back to my old brand even though it was like $40/month compared to the $5 copay from the covered one, and BAM (so to speak).
I would recommend starting with trying to sort out exactly why UTAH is feeling so pressured to be or be into things she isn't; is she's seeing a therapist for the depression/anxiety, ze should be able to help with that. Once she can separate what she's trying to do for her own sake versus for the sake of conforming to external expectations/pressures, she can discard the stuff that's not really coming from her and strategize about addressing the stuff that is (unpacking socialized hangups, trying to adjust medications/dosages in consultation with a physician/psychiatrist).
This doesn't work for everyone, but I think it's something worth trying. It's a lot of pressure to cum in front of a partner using his body parts when you aren't really even used to doing it by yourself. I second the book rec above.
Hormonal bc never worked for me either. Some of it made me very horny though, so I think it can go in the opposite direction as well. My problem was that it generally made me want to blow my brains out.
So even though it doesn't always mean black, it always refers to nonwhite poor people. So yea, racist, even though young kids these days don't always intend to use that word that way. It's slang for "dumb, low quality" but it's important to know what your slang comes from.
But there are some that are less bad than others, so I would talk to the shrink first.
I was on the pill from the time I was 16-24 because of severe PMDD. I didn't have much of a libido before that, so it didn't worry me until I was in my early 20s. I react really poorly to most exogenous hormones, so it took three tries to find a pill that didn't make me more of a basketcase than my cycle already was. I came off of it when I was 24 because I wanted more of a libido, and I needed to know whether it was a problem caused by the pill. In my case, it definitely was. Fortunately, my PMDD also resolved by that age.
I had to take Plan B a few months after that when a condom broke, and the nervous breakdown those hormones caused in me (just as I was taking my exams, which was great) was terrifying. Exogenous hormones. Total bummer.
I decided to get an IUD so that I wouldn't ever have to take either the pill or Plan B again. You may think, oh, she must have gotten the copper one. NOPE! I had two different doctors and my own research convince me to go for the hormonal IUD, and I'm very happy I did.
Brief biology lesson:
Estrogen and Progesterone are produced by your ovaries. The systemic effects of those hormones (moodiness, irritability, and horniness, for instance) are caused by them getting into your blood stream and up to your brain. This is a problem when you take the pill because the way it gets to your uterus its by getting absorbed into your blood stream from your GI tract. Some of it travels to your uterus, but it kind of goes everywhere. Therefore, you have to take a relatively large dose to get enough to your reproductive organs- a lot ends up all other places, like your brain.
The hormonal IUD, by contrast, is inserted into your uterus where it acts LOCALLY to convince your uterus not to make a good environment for a fetus. It is a very low dose, and only a teeny tiny amount gets out to your bloodstream. The doctors I talked to, both very open youngish women, assured me neither of them had ever had a patient who complained of emotional or libido side effects of the hormonal IUD. They had both, however, had patients who got the copper IUD ask to have them out because the cramping and heavy bleeding were intolerable- something to consider.
Another piece of advice: If you are taking an anti-depression or anxiety medication, please discuss with your doctor how important to you your libido is. There are other meds, besides the traditionally prescribed SSRIs, that can be prescribed for your diagnosis. Bupropion, for instance, has a much lower incidence of sexual dysfunction than other medications. If you are not on a med for your diagnoses, maybe your low libido is caused by the depression/anxiety. You may find your libido rising by going on even an SSRI.
Lastly, you're 20 years old! Give yourself a few years! The media tells you that by 18 you are in your sexual prime, but it's totally inaccurate. My orgasms are so much better and easier than they were a year ago, and certainly than a year before that.
And honestly, as great as orgasms are, there is much more to sex than orgasm. I've personally only orgasmed once during penetration and it required a vibrator to help- too much work for my taste. I'd rather focus on enjoying what's going on. Find what you DO like and stick with that. That being said, if you are not getting wet (or not getting turned on at all), consider talking to your doctor about whether there could be a biological cause for your problems. Wouldn't you regret it if there was a simple solution and you never knew because you didn't bring it up to your OB/GYN? And if sex just isn't your thing, that's ok, too. :)