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Correction: *Industrial* Workers of the World.
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So, a facist agitator shot an anti-facist actively engaged in de-escalation, and the shooter is not being charged with a crime, and "The campus and the community remain safe"?

Fuck you SPD.
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@2: Err, UWPD
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@2: Well, what would you prefer then?
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@2 repeat after me: "Self defense". play stupid games, win stupid bullets
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@5 Why do you care? Don't you believe in nothing?
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@5, Nihilist? Fuck me. I mean, say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.
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It's a very strange situation indeed.
The authorities are being very cagey...hardly transparent in any way...totally confusing to everyone on every side of every table.
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Self defense my ass! ...yet another entitled extremist right-wing shooter. My take is this Neanderthal brought a gun because he was looking to stir up trouble. At the very least UW should expel him for creating an extreme danger on campus.
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@11: Or from Polish sausage.
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Uncharged?
That is an outrage.
Obviously the anti-fascists need to arm and protect themselves, they can't rely on the police.
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Please correct the article--the shooter is a *current* UW student who is therefore subject to the rule against bringing guns on campus. He is subject to expulsion. This is from the UW Daily.
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I can't see why the shooter won't eventually be charged.

I watched a couple of videos. It looked to me like the victim may have been trying to move the shooter and one other person away from the area where opposing groups were meeting. My guess (just a guess) is that this probably also involved moving the Milo-loving shooter away from the building he wanted to enter. Then the shooter shoots the victim.

The victim probably had no legal right to put his hand on the shooter, which I think he did, or to try to move him away from where he wanted to be, but from the (not excellent) videos I really didn't see any threatening or harmful acts by the victim and the body language of the whole scene looked a lot like a peaceful effort to move somebody away from a conflict (and maybe also away from where he wanted to go).

I would imagine the law in Washington, as in other states, puts the burden on someone claiming self defense to prove that he acted in a reasonable way to protect himself. I think the shooter would have a very hard time doing that given the video evidence and (very significantly) the shooter's original claim that he acted to defend himself from a white supremacist. Why would a Trump-sucking fan of Milo (an actual white supremacist) fear attack from another white supremacist? That bizarre claim from somebody who the videos show was clearly on the side of the pro-fascist, pro-Trump, pro-Pepe side of the scuffle, doesn't make sense and makes him look like a liar trying to excuse his crime.

I have to believe he will be charged.
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When they asked thought it was Milo's boy who got shot, the administration's propaganda machine was ready to lead a lynch mob, against UW, the anti fascists, the media. But now it's all good.

The police's sympathies are on record. Why do we even want a police department? They didn't prevent violence. They don't uncover the truth. They don't punish the guilty. What good are these?
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Dude who got shot has a shitty lawyer - there are 100 great lawyers in town who'd jump at the chance to make the shooter and the cops accountable.
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@8 FTW
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Which sends the signal that it's now open season to murder Leftists.

Never before did I think the Black Bloc was justified for its all too frequent displays of violence. Now, I do. If the police refuse to charge anyone who shoots us, we can no longer rely on the law to protect our lives, and are therefore justified in protecting our own lives by any mean necessary.

Until the police arrest this man, if nothing else for unlawful discharge of a firearm within city limits, I will see you at the firing range, comrades. It looks like we have to learn how to use those things after all.
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Did anyone watch the video online? I think you would have to stretch to say that this guy was trying to calm things down. It looks more like he picked a small guy in the crowd and grabbed him. The Asian guy who shot this innocent "keeper of the peace" was standing in the crowd and the "keeper of the peace" grabber him. He was bigger, and throwing the this guy around.

You gun nuts can calm down this guy is guilty of a shooting. But you far lefties sound like babies when you defend these facist, yes the anti-facists were in fact the only facist group around there that night. The forcible suppression of your opposition makes you a fascist. The idea of dictator control is facist. I certainly wish you lefties got mad at Obama when he was hiring zars and giving executive orders. What we have now is worse and he is following the same presidential control plans that Obama did before him. When are we going to ditch political parties and call executive actions out for what they are, dictatorial control and wrong!
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Maybe, just maybe, the shooter and shootee are both grade A cunts. I assume, since there is video evidence, that the shooter would be charged if there are no grounds for self defense.
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I find this explanation compelling:

He [shooting victim] is on video, during the protest, trying to stop fights by interposing himself between troublemakers and their targets. The shooter is reported by multiple sources as having attempted to start fights and threaten people.


Video of the actual shooting doesn’t make it clear exactly what went down, but it sure looks like said Antifascist saw the shooter getting into shit with someone, interposed himself (admittedly pretty forcefully), escorted the shooter away from trouble, and moments later saw the shooter draw a firearm and turn back towards his original target. Shooter fired with right hand after turning back around, antifascist appeared to have a grip on shooter’s right arm; the only way that could have happened is if the shooter had the gun out already when the antifascist grabbed hold of that arm. In all likelihood he was trying to stop shooter from opening fire in a crowd, and tragically did not succeed.


If the shooter genuinely felt threatened by the antifascist prior to drawing his weapon, I doubt he’d have turned his back on him like in the video.


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Yet, no mention again that the police originally put out a description of the shooting suspect as a mid 50's Asian man, and the shooting victim as a younger white male.

I highly doubt the married, grandpa aged Asian heritage guy was out there to cause trouble, and he even he turned himself in to police. He likely claimed self-protection, which based on the current facts, seems highly likely. That's why he hasn't been arrested.
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@24: Maybe the 29-year-old UW student (yes, current student) just looked like a 50-year-old to witnesses. His image is not hard to find--you can judge for yourself.
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@25: Or, maybe the 50-year-old is married to a 29-year-old UW student.
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@26: Ken, in the video I saw (the one from a CNN reporter), yellow-hat-man appears to be heading back toward the earlier conflict--from which he was separated by the shooting victim--while other people hold him back. I didn't see an attack on him.

It's hard to argue self-defense if you escalate a situation to the point that people try to separate you from the target of your aggression, and then you shoot one of them while you try to go back in for more aggression and they attempt to hold you back. I don't know that this is what happened, but based on the recordings I've seen, witness reports I read, what I know about the nature of the victim (he's an acquaintance; we've not communicated since well before the event), it sure looks plausible.
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If he is charged with a crime, it is tacit admission by the UW through their police department that they are protecting themselves by protecting him. This is because if he is found guilty, UW will have serious civil liability. The coffers at the UW are more important than human life or justice. And because of this, the UW is enabling fascism to grow in this country and our city.

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