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800 Maynard Ave S, Suite 200, Seattle, WA 98134
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It isn't so easy being on the tolerant end of tolerance, is it?
Come in and confront uninterested customers = the assfucking
Gay people merely existing and buying a cake is different from anti-choicers handing out gory photos. If the gay people buying a cake were also handing out pamphlets with hardcore photos of gay sex, then the comparison would be apt. As it is, it's not even in the same universe.
The internet has a great definition for the idiom "so much for": that is the last of someone or something; there is no need to consider someone or something anymore.
That's it! We're done. The left is not tolerant. So much for that. You get it. We get it. It's done.
At least in the sense of not tolerating Nazis, fascists, KKKists, misogynists, anti-abortion terrorists. That shit? NOT tolerated. So much for that.
I hope we never have to discuss this again. As we have learned, WE NO LONGER NEED TO CONSIDER THE QUESTION of whether or not the left will tolerate your Westboro Baptist Churches or your Shermans Richard or your Yiannopoulouses Milo. Yiannopoulousi, if you want to be grammatical.
Case closed. Stop being shocked and outraged. Because everyone is on the same page: that shit ain't gonna fly. Take it back to Kansas, sweetheart.
And I do mean anti-abortion TERRORISTS. Fight me.
-- Milo stages offensive tour in Seattle, Berkeley
-- Alex "Cheap Propaganda" Jones wanders through Seattle trying to get people to react.
-- A dude w/ a Nazi armband wanders through Seattle trying to get people to react, twice!
-- Milo et.al. attempts to hold a "Free Speech Week", again in Berkeley.
-- Intolerant Anti-Woman Brigade harasses people in coffeeshops.
-- Spencer+Nazis stage a second torchlight parade as a flashmob in Charlottesville (10/7)
Clearly the intolerant ones --posing as nice, normal people, while still being intolerant, crass, and very uncivil-- are doing provocational things, uncivil things, to regular people trying to get them to react. THEN using that reaction to stage a false narrative of "Free Speech!" when their intolerant ass gets shut down.
It's the logic of the Bully: use low-level harassment to incite and instigate, and when they finally get punched in the nose, use it to claim victimhood, and denigrate the actual victim who finally fought back.
Isn't the right of business owners sacrosanct among you mouth breathing shit piles? I guess not.
Yeah. About as much as "states rights" when the tables are turned.
What difference does it make if they're enabling Al Qaeda or ISIS or the Army of God? Terrorism is terrorism. Not going to serve coffee to Osama bin Laden's lackeys or fan club either.
If these assholes were on a mission to save the lives of babies, they would send just as many letter bombs to politicians who take away childrens' health insurance. Tim McVeigh's groupies and handlers would have parked a truck filled with barrels of nitrate outside the office of anyone refusing to pay for prenatal care. They'd send one of their snipers to shoot any teacher who refused to teach comprehensive sex ed.
These terrorists don't give a rusty fuck how many babies die. They work for nothing except to subjugate women.
Thinking through issues clearly isn't trolling. Unless we're all treated equally, and treat others equally, it all falls apart.
@12: Follow the law - whose creating the scene here in the first place? Were they upset about a flyer on the customer's table? They should have just served the coffee, and unloaded in a well-deserved happy hour after work.
Gay people can't help being gay.
Where as you and these abortion protestors, granted with a tremendous amount of effort, can probably stop yourselves from acting like drooling halfwitted cretins for the time it takes to order a coffee.
Theoretically.
If a retail managers customers say, act like, or even hint "these people are harassing me" — or even if a retail business owners suspect there could be harassment — they are fully with in their legal rights to eject ANYBODY.
But yet again here you are offering apologia for shit piles. As per usual.
Let's hope this post gets updated or the owner chimes in and lets us know.
Otherwise, I'd agree with you (for the second time).
If I was in your retail establishment shoving large color photographs of gay sex or graphic violence in the faces of your customers would you not be inclined to have me removed?
@24: Again, there's nothing in the article to suggest that they were interacting with customers with the images - which is indeed a conspicuous clarification that Katie should track down.
Imagine thirsty and hungry gay pride celebrators in Boise taking a break at a local greasy spoon, with colorful gear and flyers only in their hands and on the table.
Equal treatment under the law.
You're better than that.
And it's now about time for Raindrop to complain we call him a right-wing troll.
There's a reason he has such deep sympathy for right-wing provocateurs.
Except you know all that already, jackass.
Most of the people responding to you seem bent on instantly dehumanizing these kids as terrorists, misogynists, and all around awful people. Pretty sure that's not the case. Shop owner is probably a nice enough person too, just handled the situation like kind of a lunatic.
Which means a demonstration of (safe) gay sex in the coffee shop would be exactly what anyone who really did want to save babies would want. Talk about a teaching moment!
Now is the time for coffee shops everywhere to prepare for visits from these anti-abortion terrorists. Get your anatomically correct dolls together. Get your demonstration dildos and condoms. Your slides, your movies, your posters. Don't forget your bullhorn. Teach safe sex to anti-abortion terrorists. Teach the hell out of them.
Or throw the fuckers out. Throw them the fuck out. Terrorists are terrorists.
Right. Just like the poor, innocent guy wearing a swastika on his arm wasn't actually harassing anyone. If I walk into a Christian-owned bakery wearing a "Hail Satan" shirt, or into a Jewish deli wearing a "The Jews Killed Jesus" shirt - it's not REALLY harassment. I mean, how could anyone possibly interpret my wearing of a simple garment with a message of hate towards the owners and patrons of the establishment as in any way intimidating; why, it's just unthinkable!
So after the gay marriage, wedding cake, equal pay, and all the other civil rights debates you still didn't understand what a protected class is. Okay, I just didn't realize what a complete nitwit, who obviously has a sever reading disability, you are.
Get it?
By the same measure, if I go to a cafe, and the people at the next table are wearing swastikas - I don't feel safe either. And my appetite is spoiled. Yes, the people with the swastikas should and can be rightfully and unapologetically thrown the hell out - and told never to come back.
That is one smart cafe owner.
Want to demonstrate? About what idiots you all are? Go get a permit - to march in public location. I'm sure the tikki torches would be happy to join you.
In the meantime, stop harassing cafe owners and people trying to enjoy their food and free time without your Medieval attempts to impinge on their Constitutionally recognized rights and liberties.
Well, you can in a bar, a "public house", that's a major element of bars. Coffeeshops are a similar social space. So striking up a conversation w/ someone in a coffeeshop is pretty normal. However if they aren't interested, civil engagement means that you leave them alone.
It comes down to consent. If I don't consent to your engagement of me, then you must stop. Otherwise you are an asshole/douchebag/harasser.
@26,27,28 -- Actually, the wording in the blog post is ambiguious:
the group [...] decided to fuel up at Bedlam [coffeeshop] after some Westboro-style street harrassment in Belltown, complete with handing out photos of aborted fetuses.
Was the photo-hand-out only during the street harassment? Or also when they decided to 'fuel up'?
The sentence is unclear. I really hope Ms. Herzog or the Bedlam owner is able to clarify that for us.
Regardless, AFAIK, most places of business reserve the right to refuse service to anyone. So if the owner was aware that they were being intolerant douchebags on the street, he could refuse to serve them and also kick them out.
Will second what others have said: you can hear them admitting to not purchasing anything from the cafe, which really doesn't give them much of a right to stay.
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/images/2017/10…
I'm sorry Seattle's "safe places" didn't live up to their expectations, and feel welcoming to their hateful rhetoric. I'm also sorry that Seattle is apparently hosting so many people with such awful views. I had no idea until the last couple of months.
But, unfortunately, with enough provocation, SOMEone is going to flip out. Lefties could do it to Righties as well quite easily and eventually get a similiar response, except that most people generally don't bother to do something so low-minded.
1. Maybe when people see these provocateurs ANYWHERE, they should take video of them being intolerant assholes (w/ no reaction) and send it to the Stranger. If they want media attention, give it to them. On our terms.
2. Expect that they --or others-- will show up again, and practice de-escalation, and diplomatic ejection.
3. I don't know what three is for.
@56 - Well that's just it, isn't it. They don't deserve common courtesy, because they are being uncivil and rude. But they can film other people giving them what they actually deserve, and use it to prove their divisive narrative. They're doing it on purpose to "prove" a "point" and win points for whomever their audience actually is. (eg. Fox news).
They weren't kicked out because they were Evangelical Christians wanting a cup of coffee. They were kicked out for being assholes.
You're intolerant animals who think the only ideas worth defending are your own. Please, dismount the high horse and try not to faint from the stench of neck deep bullshit that's been accumulating around you blowhards for the last 20 years.
As for the author of this article, this must be the unforeseen consequence of participation trophies.
This brings up the point regarding depictions of graphic images and how desensitized a group can be to the point of using a violent or gross image and considering it normal even to the point of handing it out and sipping coffee while viewing it. To others it is offensive.
If really thought about by the perpetrator they might admit it is gross and maybe search somewhere deep within and stop handing them out and admit is is sick behaviour but they have normalized this behaviour and that means, to them, it is ok.
This is what you can expect from a group that normalizes a gory image of a guy nailed to a wooden structure. It is even shown to their kids as normal at a very early age.
The using of a violent image to get a religious point across is normal to them and they self righteously think it is ok to use that idea on others.