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Which way did Durkan vote?
Explain your answer, and its relevance to The Stranger's coverage of the mayoral race.
She doesn’t take office yet @1, votes are not certified yet, we vote by mail and any postmarked Election Day are valid
All of those facts are true, and yes, it is a trick question... but you have not found the correct answer.
Hint: Which way did the sitting mayor vote?
@1: Mayors don't vote on the council, and she's not mayor yet. Otherwise, brilliant comment.
Correct! Seattle Mayors do not vote on Head Tax bills that come before the city Council!
Now explain the relevance of this answer to The Stranger's coverage of the Mayoral race.
Harris-Talley said she received "three-to-one" public feedback in support of the tax. She pledged to return to council chambers after incoming council member Teresa Mosqueda is sworn in on November 28. "There's going to be a new council and we're going to show them twice as much of what community has to say," Harris-Talley said.
This is the kind of response you get from someone who just listens to the people in their circle instead of listening to everyone you are supposed to represent. This is flawed taxation in so many ways. 1. They haven't listened to specialists who did studies that say we are spending enough now, just need to spend it more wisely. 2. Taxing a business on gross numbers rather than net is silly. Some firms have super thin margins, others are dramatically higher. Using gross figures just proves this council hasn't a clue about how businesses work. 3. Really easy to spend more of other people's money and call it "a fair share." Who determines what is fair. Silly council.
Some people just want to add taxes on business, because their rhetoric gives them no choice but to up the ante over and over again or get cannibalized by more "progressive" challengers. They seem out of ideas, unwilling to aim efforts at the real barriers to funding housing and homelessness abatement, and more interested in grandstanding than investing in the long stuff slog that would be DEMANDING A FUCKING STATE INCOME TAX.
You all just took back your state government. And fixing your regressive tax code should be ALL YOU TALK ABOUT. Keep refusing new regressive taxation until your leaders start getting it right.
Just look how the City Council already has divided up the proposed income tax. It goes a dozen ways and tax relief for low income (ya know, what it is supposed to be for) is last on the list.
as for the rest of the council, just how much money will be enough? as it is emergency shelters are not full because mean rulez - no meth or heroin, etc.
how much money will be enough?
A while back there was talk here of actually holding the various community groups that were supposed to be getting people into housing accountable by getting the information of just how many people they got housing for and if they were still housed. Surprise, surprise!! All these politically connected groups had (1). No idea how many people they'd helped (2) Had no way of tracking any of them (3) Didn't want to . Has that reached Seattle yet?
A few years ago there was an idea floating around to raise height limits on main streets here in SF. Raising height limits on major traffic corridors like Geary, Market and Mission to 7 stories. The uproar from neighborhoods that want to keep low limits put a stop to that. Said it would ruin their family friendly areas. Never mind that it only included the actual lots that line the street. And who led the charge? Homelessness advocates and anti-eviction groups who claimed that it would lead to thousands being thrown out in a massive building frenzy.
Ever been without enough money to afford your rent? Ever been homeless? Ever had someone you love (e.g. parent, child or close friend) die from addiction? Are you so poor that you have a hard time affording food, housing and transportation? If you answer this do not lie.
Would you have wanted your job to move to Thurston or Whatcom county? That could well have happened, since Seattle has become an expensive place to do business even without the head tax. As it is, Amazon is signaling that it might be taking its first baby step in the direction of Seattle's exit door. Jeff Bezos started his business here only because at the time Seattle was a cheap place to do so, not because he was in love with the city.
Another way to fund local homeless programs must be found instead. And my feeling is that it should in some way be tied to real estate development.
Salt Lake City, Utah solved its homeless problem and it was written up in the New Yorker.
There are 1.5 million people in SLC and thousands of homeless. The city is run by the Mormon Church and this church understands the business model.
Shelters don’t work...BUT individual apartments do! Basically people need a place to stay where they can keep their stuff locked up with a key.
SLC found that it cost $8,000 a year to put folks/families in newly constructed studios and 1-2 bedroom apts.
They had social workers for each set of places.
Utah is one of the reddest, most conservative states in America. Building housing made business sense.
I have had to live in domestic violence shelters before and any type of shelter sucks. No privacy, (10 women and 30 kids in one open bay), no place to cook your own meals but WORST they never allow drugs or alcohol! That’s DUMB! People need a stable place to stay before they can work on issues. That’s if you remember Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/…
Utah is doing well. Seattle should give it a go.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/…
Utah is a VERY conservative red state. Thousands no longer homeless out of a city of 1.5 million.
You're going to use a magazine article as your primary source for the economics of public housing? Really? Are you assuming the the "New Yorker" doesn't have an ideological agenda, or that its "facts" are checked against the most authoritative sources? Oh, please.
On its face, the assertion that housing can be built for "$8,000 a year" is ridiculous. If the construction was of high quality, the lifetime amortized cost would be several times that; if it was built on the cheap, you'd see the project wrapped in plastic for construction defects before the paint was dry. And still, the lifetime amortized cost would far exceed $8,000 a year.
Assertions like "what Utah did" are just emotional pixie dust that well intentioned people sprinkle over complex problems. They don't begin to address the more basic behavioral problems that exist among many people who comprise the long-term homeless. (Remember, some of these people have even been evicted from homeless camps!) And until a sober examination of the problem in its entirety is made, no amount of wishful thinking is going to cure it.
Instead wouldn't it be nice if the City Council got to work on a real solution instead of just taxing and throwing money at a problem without an end goal or finish line.
As I have suggested, if the City Council wants business to "help out" then why not invite the business community to form a committee and provide some solutions. These companies have vast amounts of intellectual capital, skill, resources which would seem to lend itself to a genuine interest in solving this problem.
How ironic....The city council will listen endlessly to small angry mobs and special interest groups, but fails to listen to the business community and their concerns. Sawant, having been sued for slander, twice already continues to paint the business, which contribute greatly to the community as "capitalist vipers" oppressing the poor and workers at every turn.
Yes the New Yorker fact checks. Every American knows it is a generally reputable and non-ideological publication...oh wait—I see your comment posted about 5:00 pm Moscow time. Interesting.......
Wow, that was clever. Do you give lessons?
And if you think the New Yorker doesn't have an ideological slant, ask yourself when you last saw a conservative writer published therein (N.B.: I'm not conservative, just an anti-dogmatist).
And if you think the New Yorker's "fact checking" is unimpeachable, well, I'll have what you're smoking. They're out to sell magazines (or, to be Chomskyan, readers to advertisers) and there will be expectations that fact checking support a story line. There's too much money involved in the production of a story to have some intern's objections, no matter how well founded, put the kibosh on it.