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I never hated Hillary Clinton. Who are these people who hate Hillary Clinton you're talking about? Everybody I know who hates Hillary Clinton is a Republican and they were unlikely to vote for the Democrat no matter who it was.

If you're only evidence that Clinton was a "bad candidate" is that she lost the election, you need a better theory.
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@2: You're right, not that many people hate Hillary who aren't Republicans. But a vast amount of everyone is very very very tired of her.
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@2: Read Shattered - it's your civc duty do do so.
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herzog SUCKS
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@2: Do you think that Trump was a good candidate?

Because if not, then how did such a good candidate lose to such a poor one, when the only basis for being "good" is the ability to win an election?
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So Herzog is a Bernie bro?
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Horseshit. Hit these traitors in every way possible.
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@1

Actually it could be argued that this is interfering with them finding a better candidate.

The DNC, as everyone points out when they are defending them, has a very limited amount of resources they can use and the resources they are using for this lawsuit are resources that are not being used to support candidates.

For what it's worth, I'd be just as irritated if they were doing anything else that didn't involve getting more Democrats in office. They have one job and one job only right now. Get Democratic candidates in office. Everything else is a diversion.
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@7: The popular vote doesn't matter. Trump won the election, Clinton did not. You need to come to terms with this.

Unless Clinton's whole plan was to rack up a high total in California just to win the popular vote. But that doesn't seem likely. But, I suppose it is possible she did not know how the presidential election works.
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@12. Hey dumbass. Anybody that the dnc puts up against trump will win.

And if you think that suing the campaign that beat you isn’t “limp noodle”...then your probably as big a pussy as you come across in these comments.
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Clinton wasn't any worse of a candidate than Al Gore or John Kerry. Both of whom triumphed over much more liberal candidates in the primaries. More than 50% of our candidates since 2000 have been duds. Yet we shit all over her. Hmmm. Wonder why.
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I agree this lawsuit is a BS publicity stunt that will do nothing but use up money paying pointless legal fees that could be used to support Democratic candidates in 2018. That said, I get so sick of people who use the argument, "Well, golly, we do it too, guys." And?

The implication of that argument seems to be that since we meddle in the elections of other countries, we should lay back, relax and enjoy other countries meddling in ours. I fully expect other countries to combat our meddling with every means at their disposal, and I expect us to combat meddling by other countries with every means at our disposal.

Using that "logic," I guess we should accept literal invasion and occupation of our country without a fight since, well, golly-gee, we've invaded and occupied other countries!
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"They hated her in the '90s, they hated her in the 2000s, and they hate her now, when all she's doing is taking forest walks and letting her hair go gray."

Not true. http://www.people-press.org/2015/05/19/h…. Keep in mind that this is her overall approval rating, which includes Republicans.
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@6 I don't know buddy but when they say 'people hate Hillary Clinton' note that there is 'people' in that sentence as well as 'Hillary Clinton'. Could it be that she lost the election to an even worse candidate because people in this country are really really fucking stupid? And maybe we should have that fact out there front and center whenever we talk about the 2016 election. Blame for the result lies exactly there: not the Russians, not Hillary Clinton but the absolutely appalling idiocy of the electorate in this country. It is quite laughable holding forth on how the poor quality of a candidate was the cause for an election defeat when the majority of the voters think that politics is basically a WWF match.
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Comey says we shouldn't seek impeachment. He appears to suggest that trump is some-sort of penitence which will teach the American people a lesson. A minority of the American people voted for trump, and some percentage of them were (too easily) bamboozled by illegal influences. This posting suggests we shouldn't seek legal redress. What is it with this tendency to believe suffering trump is somehow good for us relative to finding every @#$! way possible to counter him? I guess unless we found a successful means to stop him ahead of the election then there's nothing but the purification of masochism for us majority who voted against him now? -sigh-
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@17: The comedian does not get to claim that his audiences are just too stupid to get his jokes, or simply lack a sense of humor.

Because part of their job is to understand their audience and play to them.

Otherwise they are just a bad comedian. Right?
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Go DNC! Sue the racist homophobe puppy kicking bastards! It's your civic duty! Drumph lost the popular vote! Russia! Orange Julius Ceasar resistance, yo! ITMA, PETA, UCLA, SSI and other abbreviations too!

Cool with me. I'm delighted by not having a blue wave midterms, especially if Dems are going to do all the work.
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@19,
True, though Americans ARE largely a stupid, willfully ignorant, self-centered, oblivious bunch. Trump is merely the showroom display of the lack of character and insight in the rest of the population. Trump is a shitty comedian playing to a crowd of people who like shitty comedians.
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@19 I see, so politics isn't a WWF match, it's a comedy sketch.

Well continuing with your feeble analogy: if Lenny Bruce was performing in front of a bunch of Mormons, and unsurprisingly did not go over too well, would that mean he was a bad comedian?
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@17

For the first time in my life I voted for a Democrat for president in 2016. As appalling a person as Hillary Clinton is, she had experience of governance and access to people experienced in governance. More accurately, in this election I voted for the lesser evil.

But seriously? They're all stupid because they see things different than I? Yeah, that'll help win elections. Go with that.

And as @19 said, it's the job of the candidate to communicate with the electorate. Dismissing half of them as 'deplorables' and her fundamental arrogance- the belief that she was owed the presidency and the election a mere formality- is why Clinton lost.
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@21: I would call that fair.

@22: If his goal was to get laughs, then yes, that night he was a bad comedian. For booking a show he should have known would be a disaster, and for not changing his act to suit his audience.
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I don’t know what value this column adds. Certainly not context or anything more than typical Herzog ignorant, cynical, pseudo-jaded bullshit.

The Democrats weren’t trying to duck responsibility for losing the 1972 election when they sued Richard Nixon for breaking into the Watergate hotel. The Republican campaign committed a fucking crime. Who gives a shit how much a difference it made in the margin over McGovern?
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/l…

In the case of the 2016 election, the horrible candidate who was the first woman nominee only managed to win three million more votes than her next closest opponent despite having a foreign government, hostile NGO, rogue FBI office in New York, widespread systemic voter suppression in GOP controlled states, and having a partisan 24-hour cable news channel, national local-news empire, and tabloids organized against her.

The terrible candidate won more votes. Unlike McGovern, without the criminal acts against Clinton and the DNC in 2015 and 2016, it is difficult to imagine how she would not have won.
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Dear Katie, Hillary didn't lose because she was a bad candidate. She lost because no one could imagine Trump winning, and millions of Dems sat home and didn't bother to vote! Can the DNC change this apathy or spitefulness this year? Maybe you can help get out the vote.
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"On the night of the election, Chozick describes a dejected Clinton when she was told by campaign staffers that it was over.

'Of all the Brooklyn aides, Jen Palmieri had the most pleasant bedside manner,' Chozick writes. 'That made her the designated deliverer of bad news to Hillary. But not this time. She told Robby there was no way she was going to tell Hillary she couldn’t win. That’s when Robby, drained and deflated, watching the results with his team in a room down the hall from Hillary’s suite, labored into the hallway of the Peninsula to break the news. Hillary didn’t seem all that surprised. ‘I knew it. I knew this would happen to me….’ Hillary said, now within a couple of inches of his face. ‘They were never going to let me be president.’”
https://www.thedailybeast.com/hillary-cl…

Hillary-arious!!!... "I knew this would happen to me" "They were never going to let me be president"

Such the victim... Things HAPPEN TO HER, people, "they", don't LET her be the thing she wants to be.

Christ... She's insufferable as hell right up to the bitter end.

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The only people I met during the campaign who hated Clinton were Republicans or "out of touch with reality" Sanders supporters (a man who would have lost the popular vote in a landslide, while Clinton actually won it).

Your broad assertion that everyone hated Clinton is more than likely based on talking exclusively to your small circle of like-minded friends. Tunnel vision such as you display does not make for good or trustworthy journalism. You sound like the Fox News of the left.
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“The Dems just filed an insurance policy guaranteeing that if Mueller is fired and his files confiscated by Sessions’ and buried inside the Department of Justice, the Trump campaign and those who willingly encouraged and accepted Russian interference and assistance to elect Trump will still be called to account. Trump is probably apoplectic that the DNC has adopted his trademark tool, but this lawsuit, unlike most of Trump’s, has merit.”

--‘JHC’ from Wynnewood PA. This comment is from the New York Times's comments on today’s “Democratic Party Alleges Trump-Russia Conspiracy in New Lawsuit” article.
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Gerrymandering; one ‘network’ devoted to Far alt Right propaganda 24/7/365.25; voter suppression; oh, and Far-alt-Right voting machines -- that only count the ones their owners want counted – add that to one of the most reviled (by the so-called right and by women’s-rights haters) candidates in History (not to mention tilting the scales AWAY from Sanders), and you have the recipe for a Mein Trumpfy ‘victory.’

Oh, and I almost forgot the BILLION$$$ invested in TeeVee and internet and radio, much of which was aimed at keeping the Electorate pissed off and at home.

We’re either gonna hafta beat them at their own game, or come up with an Excellent Candidate. And in this age of Corporate dominance aka ‘Citizens United,’ I will not be holding my breath.
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@30,31

Celebrating 4/20 I see.

Some guy commenting on a NYT article as a cite? Ok.

As for the rest Fox is rightwing propaganda. MSNBC and NPR are propaganda for the Democrats, though NPR comes close to being journalism too. And? Anyone who uses a single source, or sources with a common bias, for understanding politics and current events is only looking to support inflexible personal beliefs anyway. Their minds and their votes are already owned by one party or the other.

Again, Trump won because Clinton campaigned on 'I deserve this and if you don't agree you're a bad person." Unsurprisingly plenty of people disliked that approach. Some disliked the idea of political dynasties. Some just looked at her and saw a disagreeable and condescending person and said no, thanks anyway.

But you nailed it. Right or left, come up with an excellent candidate and most of the work is done. I don't need to sell a good package to clients. I just need properly and accurately to present it and the thing sells itself. (Which is good because sales are a needed part of my business and I suck at it.) Same with a good candidate.

Or run someone like Hillary Clinton in the next presidential, and watch a two term Trump smirk at you while being sworn in.

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"... NPR are propaganda for the Democrats,"

Your right -- if you want the Centrist and Corporatist point of view, go no further.

What the Left needs is a Billionaire with the desire to shift America's politics back to the center, and then, gradually, to the Left. Rupert "Uncle Snoopy" Murdoch has done a fabulous job of dragging the US far, far to the nauseating right. Where we and Mein Trumpfy can join Russia/Putin, Brexiteers and Neo-Nazis in bringing Fascism to the Planet. Sieg Heil! (Ooh -- it's Adolph's Birthday! Happy Hitler!)

(Say, didn't the wonderful Kochs and their Kleen Koal purchase NPR? Or was it PBS... Remember -- inherited Wealth is Best!)

Happy 420-ing!
And don't forget to save $4.20 by getting a lift from Lyft today!
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"Oh, and I almost forgot the BILLION$$$ invested in TeeVee and internet and radio, much of which was aimed at keeping the Electorate pissed off and at home."

Whatchya think, Thecenterhasmovedwaythefucktotheright? You pro, or anti-Citizens United?
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Oh, and 'bout them Far-alt-Right voting machines?
Think you'd like to have machines THAT ACTUALLY COUNT THE fucking VOTES? Ofr are easily hacked? Or are you ok with the status quid pro quo?
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Holy.Shit.
Talk about your head far up your fucking ass...
If anyone should be sued over the 2016 election it is the DNC;
for Gross Negligence and Malpractice.
We don't know weather to respect their gall or pity their towering totally out-of-touch-with-planet-earth stupidity.
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weather!
HA!
damn spell check.
...whether...
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@7
Damn, you are a persistent little thick skulled prick.
Oh well; two can play this game;

.

Oh no, the popular vote again.....?
We're simply going to have to come up with a parlour game
that uses the popular vote that we can get out whenever The Left comes over;
you girls just can't get enough of it....

Or better yet;
we'll silkscreen some Tshirts;
"I WON the Fucking POPULAR VOTE !
and all I got was this lousy Tshirt...sniff!..."
.

You'll be wanting yours in a XXXL, extra short?
Is mauve OK?
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Clinton was an unpopular candidate at best and the democrats drifted away from being champions of the middle class, that's why they lost in a nutshell.

They're lucky Trump won, if anyone less objectionable from the GOP had won, the dems would have had to do some REAL soul searching and do the hard work of reconnecting with their voters. Now all they have to do is surf on the damage Trump's done and all of a sudden there's talk of a blue wave.

Democrats really do need to get back to their roots, the working/middle class needs strong representation and right now they still don't have it.
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@36

I'm actually unsure what a far alt right voting machine even is.

Cite proving that any of the voting machines were used in 2016 were tampered with?

Gerrymandering is in fact a problem. How to solve it I don't know. Latitude for drawing voting districts is necessary to reflect changing social or economic realities. Doing so on the Snidely Whiplash like schemes some districts makes Republicans look bad and I hate that. What do you think the solution to be?

Citizens United was properly decided on the legal merits. It was however improper for the court to rule on a point of law neither attorney arguing before them had raised either in briefs or oral argument. But there is literally no evidence that this case has changed one single issue or election so all that's irrelevant. Or that massive expenditure on political ads changes much in outcome of elections.

Massive indifference, particularly among young Democrats or those likely to vote Democrat, did cost Clinton the election. It was the fault of the DNC, not the RNC. Nor Julian Assange or the Russians. The Democrats screwed up the running of Clintons campaign. Heck, they screwed up by nominating a poor candidate on the assumption that any Democrat would beat Donald Trump and it was 'her turn.'

If you actually think this country is shifting right I can't help you. The opposite is happening. Kennedy, a Democrat, would be run out of the party for his "ask not" speech today. What Democrats think is citizens should constantly demand that the government do things for them, not ever what they can do for this country. Gay marriage is now the law of the land. Legalization of marijuana is only a matter of time. Social mores have shifted far, far to the left, or more accurately the anarchic.

Come on. You can't pretend you don't know all that?
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@8

I dunno, if she's a Bernie Bro, she sure is subdued about it.

Maybe she's got the sense to realize an old Jewish communist with a wobbly record on gun control would have been at least as much of a disaster as Hillary was.

The problem wasn't the democratic candidate, the problem was Trump, and a lot of America still doesn't understand what the hell happened. A lot of us have just flat-out forgotten what politics means, I suspect.
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Evidenciary discovery works both ways... maybe we’ll finally get the hacked server that’s Debbie Wasserman Schultz refused to hand over to the FBI, the full story on who bought the Steele Dossier, and get to the bottom of how the Clinton campaign and the DNC colluded to demy Bernie the nomination. Hell, we could even get to see Bubba and Lynch deposed under oath about thier tarmac meeting. We’ll certainly see Clapper deposed and investigated for leaking to / through CNN.

Everyone’s dirty laundry is going to be pulled out into the open for the world to see. It’s going to be decadent.
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When I'm a Billionaire, I'm gonna own EVERY voting machine in these United States. Beats the Fuck outta gerrymandering, massive voter suppression, not to mention handing Billions of $ to corporate mass media on hate-filled advertising, specifically designed to make those under-informed Citizens among us (and there's LOTS) to throw their hands up in anguish.

So, when I own all the machines, thefarrightistheneocenter can you guess who's gonna Win?
I can.
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@44

Again, if you think the trend in this country isn't left of center you're not looking at reality.

The rest amounts to a scream of frustration that your pet ideas, far far to the left of the general voting population, aren't widely embraced. There are countries that are closer to your ideal. I'd encourage a move for your own happiness. Cuba, some of the economically volatile/non-viable Latin American nations, some of the less solvent EU nations, maybe a few of the former Soviet Bloc countries?

Well, the EU and Canada won't let you in without significant assets they can loot. They already have plenty of non-taxpayers supported by 20%-30% of their fellow countrymen who actually do pay taxes, like us only more extreme. Unsure of Eastern Europe or Latin America in that regard. But good luck!

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In point of fact:
1) The DNC didn't choose the candidate. Neither did superdelegates. Voters did.
2) Tom Perez didn't become a DNC official until long after the election.
3) Hillary Clinton ranked high among most-admired Americans for decades.
4) Stuff happened -- a whole lotta stuff -- before the election. Some of it happened just days before the election, but a lot of it started in the 70s with a defamation campaign that was well organized, lavishly funded, and relentless, whether either Clinton was in or out of office at any given time.

And in point of fact, if you took the Hillary-hater bait, you're probably just as gullible as any Obama-hater who took the birther bait.
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“We in 2018 are beset with signs of impending collapse. The droughts, wildfires, flooding, soaring temperatures, crop failures, poisoning of the soil, air and water, and social breakdown from global warming are leaving huge segments of the world’s poor without adequate food, water and security. Desperate migrants are fleeing the global south. Crisis cults carry out nihilistic acts of terrorism, often in the name of religious beliefs.

Our predatory elites, who have retreated to their own versions of Anasazi Great Houses, with access to private security, private education, private medicine, private transportation, private sources of water and food and luxury items that are unavailable to the wider population, have walled out reality. Their hubris and myopia, as well as blind obedience to an ideology—global capitalism—that benefits them but accelerates social and environmental destruction, mean they have only bought a little more time before they succumb like the rest of us.”

--Chris Hedges, in “ Chaco Canyon, Chaco Earth” @ Truthdig

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