UW Police Detained Joey Gibson and Other Far-Right Activists For Possessing Guns On Campus

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1

If the whole point of being a gun nut just to protect yourself from a tyrannical government then why do these proud boys pussy out when the government authority tells them to lie down?

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@2, Because they made their point, and they practiced de-escalation techniques better than the cops do.

They know the law (on this subject at least). They knew that they were going to be get cuffed (legal for the cops to do so at that point, even though there is no probable cause of a crime yet) and get released when they agreed to go. I don't agree with them on everything else, but in this regard, they know the legal issues, they know police procedure is to cuff them so everything is under control, they aren't a threat, and the cops can investigate quickly without someone getting jumpy and misconstruing a movement as furtive, determine there is no probable cause, and let them go. All the while the camera rolls so it can be released to the media and get them attention.

Steven explained the law pretty well. The WAC is the University establishing a condition for entry to their property. You can, but not with guns. The remedy for the property owner is to proceed as Steven described.

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They came to intimidate the people here especially people of color and women.. They are neo nazis. They are nasty thugs. People need to make sure they are protected..

4

"People need to make sure they are protected."

From assholery?
With bullet-proof clothing?
By bringing bigger weapons?

By not taking their bait?

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4 You seem very perplexed. Maybe you could read The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich to get an idea where these thugs are going if they can get enough of a foothold. This is serious. Ignoring this issue doesn’t appear to help from what has happened historically.

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@5 Oh yes, I am familiar with the tale of Adolph and his psychopathic synchopats If you would, end my perplexity, please: what is this 'protecting' you speak of?

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@5, please, help end my perplexity -- what is it you recommend, protection-wise?

And yes, I am familiar with Adolph and his eventual hordes of jack-booted psychopathic sycophants. Attention is what they crave. Can we starve the beast? Can we point at them and laff our asses off, while they lie face down on the pavement?

Enlightenment is what I seek.

8

Wow. A delay in postings....
wtf

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@6 redo: Hitler's hordes of psychopathic sycophants.

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Wow -- NOW they all show up.
cool

11

Proud boys = big guns, insecure males, tiny dicks...

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@6 and 5: You're both mentally ill, please stop.

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This thread is a fucking mess.

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I say the moment you brandish a firearm in a public place is the moment you are open for target. By hold out a WMD you are declaring yourself a combatant. If you are going to wield man-killing power, prepare to be killed.

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@12 Possibly; but at least (thank YOU, god) I ain't yet Bloated.
(Does it hurt, much? Would you say crucifixion is worse?)
also@Teddy: I'm sorry the website was all fucked up last nite;
I take Full Responsibility.

18

I believe in self defense - please get a grip. People have the right to defend themselves from these armed gangs. Remember Charlottesville. Remember the KKK, the nazis.......

19

It's sad what these fellas think they have to do to compensate for their small penis size.

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17 There is good white trash as well.

21

Thanks for the laughs.

22

If Elizabeth Hokoana got away with it (and more), why can't these guys? SEXUAL DISCRIMINATION!

23

These dudes are pathetic. Umm, you know the origin of the term white trash? White people so poor they had to associate and work with poor black folks. Ivy, I believe that all people in this country should have the right to own firearms and protect themselves, from their fellow Americans.

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If I am on a campus in a no-gun area and I see a person openly carrying a gun in a blatant sign of disrespect for the law, I feel menaced. I would not feel safe in approaching that person and attempting a civil conversation.
That seems to meet the threshold of menacing behavior in my book and pressing charges and curtailing that person's gun rights seems entirely appropriate.

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@24 @14, Washington State Court of Appeals, Division II, State v. Cassad, "It is not unlawful for a person to responsibly walk down the street with a visible firearm, even it would shock people." In the underline trial court case of Casad, "The statute does not and, under the [State] Constitution, cannot prohibit the mere carrying of a firearm in public."

State v. Spencer on appeal: "If there is no present threat, weapons must be carried in a manner that dos not warrant alarm in others."

Translation: You can openly carry any lawful firearm; however, absent some present threat, the MANNER of carry (e.g. holstered, on a sling over the body) that makes it benign. The fact that the mere sight of a firearm, no matter how it is being carried, alarms some, is not enough. They carrier needs to be handling the weapon being carried in a manner that is alarming (e.g. pointing at people, looking at them and fingering the trigger (when the person being looked at is not manifesting threat by word or deed), etc. It is highly fact and circumstance dependent, in examining whether it is criminal harassment. Callan's last Police Reports Illustrated is example where the firearm carrier crossed the nuanced and ill-defined line.

“The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself, or the state, shall not be impaired” Article 1, Section 24 of the Washington State Constitution.

Clear as mud?

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"The shop was known for delivering packets of drugs inside your sandwich based on the sandwich ordered. That [Black] Panthers had no love for drug dealers near schools. [in this case Garfield] Their tactic for shutting the place down was to stand across the street, fifteen of them, all with rifles pointed into the air" - Seattle Justice (Book)

Seemed to work ok, then.

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@27, I agree. They were detained to investigate if they had voilated conditions for entry to the UW, which includes no firearm. They had, were told to leave and did so

I was responding to those posters who suggest that open carry is unlawful intimidation, harrassment, or may be construed as a threat. Our State's Constitution and Courts have spoken on the subject and given all of rules to govern the subject. Like them or hate them, those are the rules as they currently stand

29

Why are these guys always so ugg?

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28 Well my point is that UNlawful carry, in willful violation of posted rules IS subjectively seen as threatening behavior and is not to be tolerated.

So go take your goofy gun fetish to whichever gun-tolerant place you want and parade around like a banty rooster to your hearts content. I see a guy on campus brandishing a weapon I'm calling 911 and I want to see some follow-up.

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@ - "Because they made their point,"

What point?
"Oh look, we can carry guns in public sometimes" ?
"Our desire to carry a deadly weapon trumps your right to have a gun-free zone" ?
much Patriotic. very Ego. many Selfish. large Consensual. wow.

The day that these "Gun Rights" people /actually use their guns to protect the FIRST AMENDMENT/, especially of someone that doesn't look like them or holds a counter opinion, then I'll begin to have respect for them. But no, they haven't done that and they won't.

Carrying guns for the sake of carrying guns is remarkably weak sauce.

33

In 15 years time, we can expect to see heavily armed 'fraidy cat cunts everywhere. This is the brain disease of the far right, and once it infects your culture it's over.

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32: see Pink Pistols, Huey P Newton Gun Club, Redneck Revolt, et al

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Looks like a loser to me.

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@27 and @28 the article clearly points out that it was a violaton of a State Law (WAC)....and not a policy of the UW

For everyone...one of the many laws that were put in place to disarm the Black Panthers when they attempted to stand up for their constitutional rights when the local police and the UW rent-a-cops and THE FBI (the man) forgot that the black man had rights too. Read your Seattle history, read earlier Stranger articles, or rewrite history, Your choice Seattle. They’ll come for you someday.

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@30, As well you should. The follow-up will be officers responding, advising them that they have violated conditions of entry, and that if they don't take their guns and leave voluntarily, they will be arrested for Trespass. The officers will cuff them (for their safety and that of the subjects), locate the weapons, and escort them to the U.W. property line, uncuff them, and send them on their way. If they return with weapons, they get charged with trespass.

@32, Just because they made their point, does not mean you or I have to agree with it. I certainly don't.

@36, It is violation of Washington Administrative Code (administrative policy), not a law established by the Legislature. Hence, it is a condition of coming on the campus, as you and I would set such conditions for entry to our own. The remedy under Trespass and Common Law is exactly what took place here. There is no chargeable offense, unless they had elected to defy the officers and refuse to leave. Then the remedy is forceful removal and a misdemeanor trespass charge. Yawn!

In the process, they get great publicity from The Stranger. Everybody wins except the U.W. taxpayer and the U.W. tuition payer.

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@37 Washington Administrative Code (WAC)
Regulations of executive branch agencies are issued by authority of statutes. Like legislation and the Constitution, regulations are a source of primary law in Washington State. The WAC codifies the regulations and arranges them by subject or agency.

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@38, Correct, but you can only prosecute based on a law that they interpret and define. In this case their isn't a prosecutable underlying law other than Trespass which requires the procedure above, because that is the nature of trespass.

40

Over a year after having heard of these guys and I still don't even understand what their platform is, other than trolling.

And I mean, sure, troll away, but "we like the president and don't like 'antifa' (whatever the fuck that means)" is a pretty lazy mission statement to base your organization around. I'm not sure if Joey is brain damaged, a grifter, or some kind of inspired mix of both.

41

Somebody shoulda lit a firecracker. The dumn sucks would draw and shoot each other. That would be good

42

"Washington state is a concealed carry state, and it’s only a crime to bring a firearm onto K-12 school property. Bringing a firearm to a university campus is only administratively punishable if brought by a student." http://www.dailyuw.com/news/article_d9c0c9a2-1500-11e7-a80e-bfe02b633c12.html

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One of the worst write-up and excuses for "journalism" I have ever seen. What is far-right or "neo-nazi" about a group many of whose members are Black or Hispanic? They are much more like Ron Paul libertarians. This writer is too lazy do do his research on Patriot Prayer, and just goes along with what the Antifa kiddies say. Good for them for exercising their rights, making their point, then going home. People who really want to know about Patriot Prayer go here: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/sep/3/patriot-prayer-free-speech-group-urges-supporters-/

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Ayn rand fascist, racists, neo-nazis, far-right. Ayn rand fascists worship corporations. Ayn rands hero was a serial killer. Ends justify the means, like Hitler, Franco, Mussolini. Corporate rights. Corporations are people because their John Galts, are superior.. Mostly rascists. Civil libertarians are not far right ideologues.

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Ayn rand and ron paul ultra right fascism. As mussolini said : fascism is ultimate corporatism: this is wat ronny paul is all about. The ultimate righwing neofeudalism and fascism. Ayn rand libertarians are proud of their bs faux patriotism and racism. They dont want liberty. They espouse slavery for most and exploitation by the few. The ultimate neofeudal model of the elite.Here are 10 Things I Learned About the World from Ayn Rand's Insane 'Atlas Shrugged'
If Rand were still alive she would probably say, "Thank you for smoking."
By Adam Lee

've been reading and reviewing Ayn Rand's massive paean to capitalism, Atlas Shrugged. If you're not familiar with the novel, it depicts a world where corporate CEOs and one-percenters are the selfless heroes upon which our society depends, and basically everyone else — journalists, legislators, government employees, the poor — are the villains trying to drag the rich down out of spite, when we should be kissing their rings in gratitude that they allow us to exist.

This story first ran on AlterNet in 2014.

Rand's protagonists are Dagny Taggart, heir to a transcontinental railroad empire, and Hank Rearden, the head of a steel company who's invented a revolutionary new alloy which he's modestly named Rearden Metal. Together, they battle against evil government bureaucrats and parasitic socialists to hold civilization together, while all the while powerful industrialists are mysteriously disappearing, leaving behind only the cryptic phrase "Who is John Galt?"

Atlas Shrugged is a work of fiction, but as far as many prominent conservatives are concerned, it's sacred scripture. Alan Greenspan was a member of Rand's inner circle, and opposed regulation of financial markets because he believed her dictum that the greed of businessmen was always the public's best protection. Paul Ryan said that he required his campaign staffers to read the book, while Glenn Beck has announced grandiose plans to build his own real-life "Galt's Gulch," the hidden refuge where the book's capitalist heroes go to watch civilization collapse without them.

Reading Atlas Shrugged is like entering into a strange mirror universe where everything we thought we knew about economics and morality is turned upside down. I've already learned some valuable lessons from it.

All evil people are unattractive; all good and trustworthy people are handsome.

The first and most important we learn from Atlas Shrugged is that you can tell good and bad people apart at a glance. All the villains — the "looters," in Rand's terminology — are rotund, fleshy and sweaty, with receding hairlines, sagging jowls and floppy limbs, while her millionaire industrialist heroes are portraits of steely determination, with sharp chins and angular features like people in a Cubist painting. Nearly all of them are conspicuously Aryan. Here's a typical example, the steel magnate Hank Rearden:

The glare cut a moment's wedge across his eyes, which had the color and quality of pale blue ice — then across the black web of the metal column and the ash-blond strands of his hair — then across the belt of his trenchcoat and the pockets where he held his hands. His body was tall and gaunt; he had always been too tall for those around him. His face was cut by prominent cheekbones and by a few sharp lines; they were not the lines of age, he had always had them; this had made him look old at twenty, and young now, at forty-five.

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The mark of a great businessman is that he sneers at the idea of public safety.

When we meet Dagny Taggart, Rand's heroic railroad baron, she's traveling on a cross-country train which gets stuck at a stoplight that may or may not be broken. When the crew frets that they should wait until they're sure it's safe, Dagny pulls rank and orders them to drive through the red light. This, in Rand's world, is the mark of a heroic and decisive capitalist, rather than the kind of person who in the real world would soon be the subject of headlines like "22 Dead in Train Collision Caused by Executive Who Didn't Want to Be Late For Meeting."

Dagny makes the decision to rebuild a critical line of the railroad using a new alloy, the aforementioned Rearden Metal, which has never been used in a major industrial project. You might think that before committing to build hundreds of miles of track through mountainous terrain, you'd want to have, say, pilot projects, or feasibility studies. But Dagny brushes those concerns aside; she just knows Rearden Metal is good because she feels it in her gut: "When I see things," she explains, "I see them."

And once that line is rebuilt, Dagny's plan for its maiden voyage involves driving the train at dangerously high speed through towns and populated areas:

"The first train will... run non-stop to Wyatt Junction, Colorado, traveling at an average speed of one hundred miles per hour." ...

"But shouldn't you cut the speed below normal rather than ... Miss Taggart, don't you have any consideration whatever for public opinion?"

"But I do. If it weren't for public opinion, an average speed of sixty-five miles per hour would have been quite sufficient."

The book points out that mayors and safety regulators have to be bribed or threatened to allow this, which is perfectly OK in Rand's morality. When a reporter asks Dagny what protection people will have if the line is no good, she snaps: "Don't ride on it." (Ask the people of Lac-Megantic how much good that did them.)

Bad guys get their way through democracy; good guys get their way through violence.

The way the villains of Atlas Shrugged accomplish their evil plan is ... voting for it. One of the major plot elements of part I is a law called the Equalization of Opportunity Bill, which forces large companies to break themselves up, similarly to the way AT&T was split into the Baby Bells. It's passed by a majority of Congress, and Rand never implies that there's anything improper in the vote or that any dirty tricks were pulled. But because it forces her wealthy capitalist heroes to spin off some of their businesses, it's self-evident that this is the worst thing in the world and could only have been conceived of by evil socialists who hate success.

Compare this to another of Rand's protagonists, Dagny Taggart's heroic ancestor Nathaniel Taggart. We're told that he built a transcontinental railroad system almost single-handedly, which is why Dagny all but venerates him. We're also told that he murdered a state legislator who was going to pass a law that would have stopped him from completing his track, and threw a government official down three flights of stairs for offering him a loan. In the world of Atlas Shrugged, these are noble and heroic acts.

Then there's another of Rand's heroes, the oil baron Ellis Wyatt. When the government passes new regulations on rail shipping that will harm his business, Wyatt retaliates by spitefully blowing up his oil fields, much like Saddam Hussein's retreating army did to Kuwait in the first Gulf War. In real life, that act of sabotage smothered much of the Middle East beneath clouds of choking, toxic black smoke for months, poisoning the air and water. But as far as Rand sees it, no vengeance is too harsh for people who commit the terrible crime of interfering with the right of the rich to make more money.

The government has never invented anything or done any good for anyone.

In Rand's world, all good things come from private industry. Everyone who works for the government or takes government money is either a bumbling incompetent or a leech who steals credit for the work of others. At one point, the villainous bureaucrats of the "State Science Institute" try to sabotage Rand's hero Hank Rearden by spreading malicious rumors about his new alloy:

"If you consider that for thirteen years this Institute has had a department of metallurgical research, which has cost over twenty million dollars and has produced nothing but a new silver polish and a new anti-corrosive preparation, which, I believe, is not so good as the old ones — you can imagine what the public reaction will be if some private individual comes out with a product that revolutionizes the entire science of metallurgy and proves to be sensationally successful!"

Of course, in the real world, only minor trifles, like radar, space flight, nuclear power, GPS, computers, and the Internet were brought about by government research.

Violent jealousy and degradation are signs of true love.

Dagny's first lover, the mining heir Francisco d'Anconia, treats her like a possession: he drags her around by an arm, and once, when she makes a joke he doesn't like, he slaps her so hard it bloodies her lip. The first time they have sex, he doesn't ask for consent, but throws her down and does what he wants: "She knew that fear was useless, that he would do what he wished, that the decision was his."

Later on, Dagny has an affair with Hank Rearden (who's married to someone else at the time, but this is the sort of minor consideration that doesn't hold back Randian supermen). The first time they sleep together, it leaves Dagny bruised and bloody, and the morning after, Hank rants at her that he holds her in contempt and thinks of her as no better than a whore. Almost as soon as their relationship begins, he demands to know how many other men she's slept with and who they were. When she won't answer, he seizes her and twists her arm, trying to hurt her enough to force her to tell him.

Believe it or not, none of this is meant to make us judge these characters negatively, because in Rand's world, violent jealousy is romantic and abuse is sexy. She believed that women were meant to be subservient to men — in fact, she says that "the most feminine of all aspects" is "the look of being chained" — and that a woman being the dominant partner in a relationship was "metaphysically inappropriate" and would warp and destroy her fragile lady-mind.

All natural resources are limitless.

If you pay close attention to Atlas Shrugged, you'll learn that there will always be more land to homestead, more trees to cut, more coal to mine, more fossil fuels to drill. There's never a need for conservation, recycling, or that dreaded word, "sustainability." All environmental laws, just like all safety regulations, are invented by government bureaucrats explicitly for the purpose of punishing and destroying successful businessmen.

One of the heroes of part I is the tycoon Ellis Wyatt, who's invented an unspecified new technology that allows him to reopen oil wells thought to be tapped out, unlocking what Rand calls an "unlimited supply" of oil. Obviously, accepting that natural resources are finite would force Rand's followers to confront hard questions about equitable distribution, which is why she waves the problem away with a sweep of her hand.

This trend reaches its climax near the end of part I, when Dagny and Hank find, in the ruins of an abandoned factory, the prototype of a new kind of motor that runs on "atmospheric static electricity" and can produce limitless energy for free. Rand sees nothing implausible about this, because in her philosophy, human ingenuity can overcome any problem, up to and including the laws of thermodynamics, if only the government would get out of the way and let them do it.

Pollution and advertisements are beautiful; pristine wilderness is ugly and useless.

Rand is enamored of fossil fuels, and at one point, she describes New York City as cradled in "sacred fires" from the smokestacks and heavy industrial plants that surround it. It never seems to occur to her that soot and smog cause anything other than pretty sunsets, and no one in Atlas Shrugged gets asthma, much less lung cancer.

By contrast, Rand informs us that pristine natural habitat is worthless unless it's plastered with ads, as we see in a scene where Hank and Dagny go on a road trip together:

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Uncoiling from among the curves of Wisconsin's hills, the highway was the only evidence of human labor, a precarious bridge stretched across a sea of brush, weeds and trees. The sea rolled softly, in sprays of yellow and orange, with a few red jets shooting up on the hillsides, with pools of remnant green in the hollows, under a pure blue sky.

... "What I'd like to see," said Rearden, "is a billboard."

Crime doesn't exist, even in areas of extreme poverty.

In the world of Atlas Shrugged, the only kind of violence that anyone ever worries about is government thugs stealing the wealth of the heroic capitalists at gunpoint to redistribute it to the undeserving masses. There's no burglary, no muggings, no bread riots, no street crime of any kind. This is true even though the world is spiraling down a vortex of poverty and economic depression. And even though the wealthy, productive elite are mysteriously disappearing one by one, none of Rand's protagonists ever worry about their personal safety.

Apparently, in Rand's view, poor people will peacefully sit and starve when they lose their jobs. And that's a good thing for her, because accepting that crime exists might lead to dangerous, heretical ideas — like that maybe the government should pay for education and job training, because this might be cheaper and more beneficial in the long run than spending ever more money on police and prisons.

The only thing that matters in life is how good you are at making money.

In a scene from part I, the copper baron Francisco d'Anconia explains to Dagny why rich people are more valuable than poor people:

"Dagny, there's nothing of any importance in life — except how well you do your work. Nothing. Only that. Whatever else you are, will come from that. It's the only measure of human value. All the codes of ethics they'll try to ram down your throat are just so much paper money put out by swindlers to fleece people of their virtues. The code of competence is the only system of morality that's on a gold standard."

You'll note that this speech makes no exceptions for work whose product is actively harmful to others. If you burn coal that chokes neighboring cities in toxic smog, if you sell unhealthful food that increases obesity and diabetes, if you sell guns and fight every attempt to pass laws that would restrict who could buy them, if you paint houses with lead and insulate pipes in asbestos — relax, you're off the hook! None of this matters in the slightest in Rand's eyes. Are you good at your job? Do you make money from it? That's the only thing anyone should ever care about.

Smoking is good for you.

Almost all of Rand's heroes smoke, and not just for pleasure. In one minor scene, a cigarette vendor tells Dagny that smoking is heroic, even rationally obligatory:

"I like cigarettes, Miss Taggart. I like to think of fire held in a man's hand. Fire, a dangerous force, tamed at his fingertips ... When a man thinks, there is a spot of fire alive in his mind — and it is proper that he should have the burning point of a cigarette as his one expression."

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I get what they're trying to do. The policy seems dumb on college campuses as college students are for the most part functioning adults who should be able to defend themselves. I would like to see students with concealed carry cards be able to bear arms on campus. The reason I want this is because I personally know someone who was raped at University. I myself have a daughter who will hopefully be going soon. If she does go, I intend to give her a handgun to protect herself and will absolutely encourage her to live off campus so that she has the ability to protect herself. These men knew what would happen in were there to make a statement.

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I would not want anyone of those sucks to be on my kids campus with guns! What a crock of shit.

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@43 it's mostly that they march around with self-described neo-Nazis, hang out with self-described neo-Nazis, post racist memes with self-described neo-Nazis, take selfies with self-described neo-Nazis, attend rallies with self-described neo-Nazis, are members of the same facebook grups as self-described neo-Nazis, joke around with self-described neo-Nazis about how theyre going to "sack liberal cities", amonsgt many, MANy other things they do right along side self-described neo-Nazis.

It's almost as if your characterization of them as "harmless " "Ron Paul types" is absolute bunkum.

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Joey and each of his group of angry, rightwing, gun flaunters, exhibit the same traits of this Group:

White man executes 9 in Charleston
White hispanic man executes 17 at Parkland
White man executes 28 at Sutherland
White man executes 59 at Vegas

Why would anyone want them near you or my kids on a college campus, much less a local restaurant.

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You Liberals are hilarious. LOL.
"They came to intimidate the people here especially people of color and women.. They are neo nazis. They are nasty thugs. People need to make sure they are protected." ~Ivy R. Nightscales

Clearly you know nothing of these rallies, because "people of color" (a racist term used by the left) and "women" were also part of these rallies and marches and demonstrations. So are many people in the LGBT community (myself included). We are not "Nazis, Neo-Nazis, Racists, Homophobes, blah blah blah." We are American citizens who have traditional values and beliefs and don't want our civil rights being stripped away by crazy liberals who know absolutely ZERO about firearms and just think "they are scary looking and kinda sorta look like military rifles" even though they're nowhere near military-grade or strength (I own one plus I am a Veteran who has fired military-grade weapons. And yes, some of us are LGBT. Please don't let your minds explode. We do exist. We believe in protecting ourselves, our loved ones, and our property, just like our heterosexual counterparts.

"I say the moment you brandish a firearm in a public place is the moment you are open for target. By hold out a WMD you are declaring yourself a combatant. If you are going to wield man-killing power, prepare to be killed." ~See You Next Tuesday

Obviously you don't have a clue what "Brandishing a firearm" actually is. You might want to look it up. Open carrying and Brandishing are two separate things. Open Carry is legal. Brandishing is not. Secondly, you think the open carrying of firearms warrants a murder?!? You honestly support murder of innocent people just because they choose to carry and protect themselves? You have serious issues, man. You might wanna talk to someone, in a "professional" sense. Smh. And lastly, you claim "If you are going to yield man-killing power, prepare to be killed." Let's discuss that for a second.....
Do you realize all the things that would cover? And again, you would be condoning the murders of innocent men, women, and children. Here's SOME things that yield man-killing power:
-Baseball Bats
-Vehicles
-Golf Clubs
-Hands and Feet
-Glass bottles
-Rope
-Chains
-Batons
-Motorcycles
Is that enough for you?? You are seriously messed up in the head if you support the murders of people possessing/using those things. If you are "going to kill me" because I open or conceal carry, then step away from your computer, keyboard warrior, and step right up and try it. I dare you.

"If I am on a campus in a no-gun area and I see a person openly carrying a gun in a blatant sign of disrespect for the law, I feel menaced. I would not feel safe in approaching that person and attempting a civil conversation.
That seems to meet the threshold of menacing behavior in my book and pressing charges and curtailing that person's gun rights seems entirely appropriate." ~kallipugos

Of course, because you're a sensitive Snowflake that needs "Safe Spaces" and "Cry Closets" for the daily times you get offended and triggered by anyone having a different opinion than you. Lol. A gun is not some scary, killing machine that has a mind of its own. It is simply a tool used for defense. Guns are not dangerous. The inexperienced, evil-minded psychopath that may be holding one intending to cause harm is what's dangerous. Law-abiding, trained, responsible adult gun owners are not those people. And sometimes when there is an unjust law, you sometimes need to rebel against it and get it changed by force (just like in the past with Prohibition).

25: AMEN! And THANK YOU!!!

29: Ugg? Do you mean "Ugly"? Is that too big a word for your simple mind? Lmao. I'm willing to bet that you're no model yourself.

33: LIBERALISM is the disease. Believing in freedom and preserving your Constitutional rights is not a disease. Go back to your "Safe Space" at Starsucks (Starbucks).

40: If it's been a year since you first heard of Patriot Prayer or Proud Boys or any of the pro-gun groups and you STILL haven't figured out what their mission statement/agenda/goals are, then maybe YOU are the one who is "brain damaged" and not Joey Gibson. It's really not that hard to find that information. You could go to their websites, their Facebook pages, or you know, you could even go to one of their events and LISTEN TO WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY. Lol. They are really not as crazy or "far-right" as you guys may think they are. They actually say some pretty legit stuff. And Joey Gibson is actually a very intelligent, well-spoken man. You might be surprised on what you find out.

41: Bill, you're an idiot. First, "shoulda" is not a word. It's "should have" or "should've". Second, it's not "dumn". It's "dumb". And third, these guys are not stupid. They're not going to "shoot each other" because some idiot lit a firecracker. Go back to school and learn proper grammar. And find some common sense while you're at it.

42: Washington is also an "Open Carry State" too, brother. Just saying.

45: Da fuq? O.o Uhh, I think someone lost their marbles and went on a incoherent, unrelated blabbering rant of random shit. Hey Doc, I think someone escaped your Psych Ward!!

46: Amen Brother!!!! And thank you!! I pray for your daughter's safety and health in that crazy environment. You're a great father for protecting your daughter and giving her the tools needed.

47: You'd be lucky if they were on your kids' campus. They are smarter, more responsible, better trained, and better disciplined than any of your kids' bullied, emotionally unstable, tide pod-eating, condom-snorting classmates that have parents who don't lock their shit up in a safe.

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48: Wow dude. Obsessed with Neo-Nazis much?? LOL. Almost every other word in your comment is "neo-nazi". I think YOU are the one in love with "neo-nazis" and their culture. I have been to these events (not this UW one though) and I haven't seen any neo-nazis or any collusion between Patriot Prayer or Proud Boys and your fan-girl crush Neo-Nazis. And with a name like "SecludedCompound", you sound more closely connected to that hate group than any of the Patriot groups. Smh. Lol.

49: Racist much? Smh. If you wanna play that card, then game on.

-Middle Eastern Muslims- On Sept.11, 2001, 2,996 people were killed (including 19 terrorists) and more than 6,000 others wounded. These immediate deaths included 265 on the four planes (including the terrorists), 2,606 in the World Trade Center and in the surrounding area, and 125 at the Pentagon.

-Middle Eastern -June 12, 2016 - Omar Saddiqui Mateen, 29, opens fire inside Pulse, a gay nightclub, in Orlando. At least 49 people are killed and more than 50 are injured. Police shoot and kill Mateen during an operation to free hostages officials say he was holding at the club.

-Asian -April 16, 2007 - Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, Virginia. A gunman, 23-year-old student Seung-Hui Cho, goes on a shooting spree killing 32 people in two locations and wounding an undetermined number of others on campus. The shooter then commits suicide.

-Middle Eastern -December 2, 2015 - Married couple Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik open fire on an employee gathering taking place at Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino, California, killing 14 people.

-Middle Eastern -November 5, 2009 - Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan kills 13 people and one unborn child and injures 32 at Fort Hood, Texas, during a shooting rampage. He is convicted and sentenced to death.

-Asian -April 3, 2009 - In Binghamton, New York, Jiverly Wong kills 13 people and injures four during a shooting at an immigrant community center. He then kills himself.

-Asian -February 18, 1983 - Three men enter the Wah Mee gambling and social club in Seattle, rob the 14 occupants and then shoot each in the head, killing 13. Two of the men, Kwan Fai Mak and Benjamin Ng, are convicted of murder in August 1983. Both are serving life in prison. The third, Wai-Chiu "Tony" Ng, after years on the run in Canada, is eventually convicted of first-degree robbery and second-degree assault. He is deported to Hong Kong in 2014.

-Black -September 25, 1982 - In Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania, 40-year-old prison guard George Banks kills 13 people including five of his own children. In September 2011, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court overturns his death sentence, stating that Banks is mentally incompetent.

-Black -September 16, 2013 - Shots are fired inside the Washington Navy Yard, killing 12. The shooter, identified as Aaron Alexis, 34, is also killed.

-Asian & Hispanic -August 10, 1991 - Six monks, a nun, a monk in training and a temple worker are found shot to death at Wat Promkunaram, a Buddhist temple in Waddell, Arizona. Johnathan Doody, 17, and Alessandro Garcia, 16, are later convicted of the crime and receive multiple life sentences.

-Black -June 18, 1990 - In Jacksonville, Florida, 42-year-old James Pough, angry about his car being repossessed, opens fire at a General Motors Acceptance Corp. office, killing nine people. Pough takes his own life.

-Black -August 3, 2010 - Manchester, Connecticut - Omar Thornton kills eight co-workers at Hartford Distributors before turning the gun on himself. Thornton had been asked to resign for stealing and selling alcoholic beverages.

You see, mass murderers come in all colors and backgrounds. It's not just white people that lose their shit.