Had it been a black person killed by a white person you'd be screaming at the top of your lungs and making sure everyone knew about it.

Let's stop pretending politicizing murder is unique to one side of the screwed up political spectrum.

Also, it appears he was in the country legally, and even passed the E-Verify electronic immigration status check:

https://kstp.com/news/defense-lawyer-asks-for-limited-media-at-trial-for-christian-bahena-rivera-charged-in-mollie-tibbetts-death-disappearance-missing-iowa/5041308/

This from the guy who got so wrapped up in the Amanda Knox story that he was nearly stalking her.

@1 - Yeah, politicizing tragedies and killings is never unique in political spectrum, but considering that Stephen Miller is at the controls of White House immigration policy, Charles is right on on this one.

Gasp.

And what political capital are you cashing in right now Charles? To what end?

Comte dear, according to the Des Moines Register, the farm he worked at - which is owned by the brother of a prominent Iowa Republican, said that they cleared him through the e-verify system, but then it was revealed that they are not participants in it.

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/investigations/2018/08/22/mollie-tibbetts-alleged-killer-iowa-legally-lawyer-missing-student-body-found-brooklyn-trump/1064567002/

"She was just unlucky."

That may be the case. Her murderer IS an illegal immigrant.

Mudede, I notice how you didn't commodify her race. Doesn't serve a utility to you, conveniently.

Sure you'd be talking about her race all up and down your piece if she were pointing out he's an illegal immigrant. That somehow he's a victim of her lack of melanin. Not this time though.

Mudede is a race-baiting hack. That's not just the lens through which he mentally masturbates to his racist dogma, it's a lifestyle.

@1 The chances of a Black person being murdered by a White person is significantly lower than a White person murdered by a Black person. Blacks commit higher rates of crime against Whites than the other way around.

I'm sure Mudede would have everyone believe the 50% of murders in the U.S. being Black on Black is somehow linked to melanin deficiency in Whites.

Interesting how tRump never bellows about the countless young white trash mass killers with military-style assault weapons...

@10 A drop in the bucket compared to Black on Black murder. Curious how many young Black men kill, and maim innocent civilians during their thuggery.

Assault weapons aren't readily available for civilian purchase int he US. Military-style...sneaky way to put it.

@8

You've rather badly misread your crime statistics.

In 2015, a typical year, 229 white people were convicted of killing black people in the US, and 500 black people were convicted of killing white people.

So far so good, right? More white people murdered by black people than the other way around! But now we get to the tricky part:

The population of the US does not contain the same percentages of white people and black people. There are about 249,500,000 white people in the US, and about 43,600,000 black people. We can now do some very simple arithmetic to find that:

A white person has a 0.0002004% (500/249,500,000) chance of being killed by a black person, while a black person has a 0.0005252% (229/43,600,000) chance of being killed by a white person.

Even without adjusting for the effect of systemic racism on the liklihood of arrest and conviction, the numbers clearly say that a black person is about 2.5 times more likely to die at the hands of a white person than a white person is to die at the hands of a black person.

@1 Do you think politicizing murders is right or wrong? I mean, are you saying that this it is just and proper to politicize and my evidence is that liberals do it too, since liberals are the exemplars of propriety? Or are you saying its wrong when liberals do it and therefore justified when the shoe is on the other foot?

Or is your point not to actually a sincere engagement with an ethical question, but rather a mere rhetorical sleight of hand?

Just curious.

I know that it probably happens every day somewhere (aside from the areas of the world where abject misogyny is a way of life), but I don't get how a 21st Century man stalks a woman, does the "hey, baby, hop in" bit, gets told to run along, and resolves that the best thing to do in that scenario is to murder the woman and shallowly bury her amongst the corn stalks. How does even the craziest person make that jump? Will we ever get to a place and time when a woman can go for a run without the possibility that it'll be the last thing she ever does? What a heartbreaking story - one of hundreds.

@13

Yes, you are correct, it is ALSO true that a black person is about 12.5 times more likely to be convicted of killing a white man than a white man is to be convicted of killing a black man, but that is not the claim Shirtless was making.

(and thank you, I wasn't 100% sure the setup for that would get sprung)

facts have always scared Marxists like mudede

nice own-goal robotslave.

golf-clap.

@16 You just acknowledged a Black Person is 12.5 times more likely to be convicted of killing a White person than a White person is to be convicted of killing a Black person.

You realize that means a Black Person is 12.5 times more likely to kill a White Person than a White person is to kill a Black Person.

The only person a Black man is most likely to kill any other race of people is other Black persons. Now that statistic is true for Blacks and Whites, that a race is more killing to kill a member of its own race.

That said, a White person is much more likely to be killed by a Black Person than a Black Person is to be killed by a White person.

@20: Your logic sucks. The criminal justice system is far from being 100% perfect. Guilty people walk free, innocent people go to prison, and disproportionately non-white Americans get convicted of crimes, regardless of their guilt or innocence, while white Americans are less likely to be charged with or convicted of crimes at all. The statistics you cite about murder convictions don't actually give us much useful information about who-kills-who in reality. That said, I doubt there's much point in arguing reason with a racist.

@21 Link me up to the 12.5X discrepancy in murder between White on Black v . Black on White.

I'm simply pointing out the numbers. Looks at the federal statistics.

So are you saying that Blacks are 12X more likely to be convicted of murdering Whites when they actually didn't?

Curious which above numbers robo provided are true. Were at least 2X as many Blacks murdered by Whites than Whites by Blacks? Let's say we are off by 2X. That would mean Blacks still murder Whites 6X the number of times than Whites murder Blacks.

You're talking about a discrepancy between .87 per 100,000 (White k Black) v 10.8 per 100,000 (Black k White) being roughly 1,000%+ off. Come off it. Systemic racism may be a measurable thing, but 1,000% discrepancy.

This isn't rocket science.

@22,

"So are you saying that Blacks are 12X more likely to be convicted of murdering Whites when they actually didn't?"

The other way around. White people are far less likely to be convicted of murdering black people. You don't even have to know history to know that... it's still happening today.

@23 I didn't say it's not happening. But Blacks are 12X more likely to kill Whites than Whites kill Blacks.

Are you saying that robotslave's numbers of 500 Whites killed by Blacks and 229 Blacks killed by Whites is off? How off? 100%, 500%? If it was proportional then we would be looking at over 1,800 Blacks murdered by Whites per year. Are you saying 1,800+ Black murders by Whites aren't documented?

The more I delve into numbers with fellow lefties I realize more and more the validity in my embarrassment when I'm forced to acknowledge I'm a Liberal. Numbers mean things. The data is real, it's accessible to all of us.

Wait a minute, are you making an argument for alternative facts?

@23 "White people are far less likely to be convicted of murdering black people."

It's because Blacks are far more likely to murder Whites.

Check this out: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/7/14834454/exoneration-innocence-prison-racism

Let's say Blacks are 7X more likely to be wrongfully convicted of murder than Whites. That would mean Blacks are still roughly 5X+ more likely to murder Whites than Whites murder Blacks.

@19

I think you may have emerged on the wrong side of the stadium when you went to get those nachos.

Here, let's recap Shirtless's original claim, word for word, in @9:

"The chances of a Black person being murdered by a White person is significantly lower than a White person murdered by a Black person."

The rest is just simple, methodical gravy.

BTW, most of those wrongfully convicted murders are the result of misidentification, meaning people mistaken one Black Person for another Black Person. Meaning, a Black Person likely committed the murder, but the one convicted was the wrong one.

@26 And you offered the numbers to verify my claim. Much thanks.

@28

If you want to think so, nobody's stopping you. If you want to believe the shit you're eating is a sandwich, if you want to tell everyone what a fantastic sandwich it is, then by all means, keep at it. This isn't math class, and you're not being graded.

@29 Don’t get all upset about it. I’m wrong sometimes too.

@30

You sure are!

Oh. Look the racists are here.

@7:

Catalina dear, if that's the case, what do you think the odds are that the farm and its owner be held culpable?

Thanks to @15 for being the ONLY commenter to talk truth. Race is irrelevant. What matters is the fact that women are routinely murdered by MEN in the course of a normal, everyday activity like going for a run on a nice summer evening.

Runner’s World magazine did a story about this last year. It’s sobering: https://www.runnersworld.com/training/a18848270/running-while-female/

And RW did a follow-up with comments about “running while female,” and again, it’s sickening and disgusting. https://www.runnersworld.com/news/a20829437/readers-respond-running-while-female/

So how about we turn the focus on the real problem — MEN.

White man kills his pregnant wife, and his two daughters. President doesn't say shit. Hmm...

@24/25,

I'm not arguing alternative facts, not saying numbers are wrong, and yes I know the data are there to see.

However, stats only get you so far in research. It's impossible to control for every variable and all these data are giving you is 1) white race or black race, and 2) victim or perpetrator. There's a hell of a lot more things out there that influence behavior.

@36 the majority of murder is committed by men against men.

You dismiss race, but are just fine with focusing on gender. I get it, too afraid of being called a racist for even broaching the subject. Trust me, I was called it right out the gate in this thread. Guess facts and data are only used by racists.

You want to cherry pick the identity to talk about, and choose gender over sex, go for it. Women are by far less likely to be a victim of violent crime by men than men v men violent crime.

@38 I agree, there are a lot of things that influence behavior, which includes race.

“Lalita Byrne, however, was killed by some guy. Certainly, we will not blame all white men or people for that death. Colorless domestic violence is politically worthless.”

Mudede sure like talking out of both sides of his fucking mouth, doesn’t he. When it tickles his fancy he’s more than happy to point out the White man calling an African guy a N*gger. But when an illegal Mexican murders a White woman than all the sudden it’s just some guy. And according to the racist Mudede White America acts as if this murdering piece of shit is all brown people. Uh, no we don’t.

Unlike Mudede, who is obsessed with talking about the White devil, most of us White folks would be just fine with keeping race out of it. But you have to bray on about White people, as if the mote in the eye of the Black community hasn’t become a health crisis of its own. As if the White community is fair game for critique, but the Black community is beyond reproach because...it’s not their fault...because poverty and stuff.

Is the guy being illegal relevant? Yea, it is. Is it everything? Nope. But you want to pick and choose what to racialize and what not to. Let’s look at the hard numbers Mudede. No fucking excuses. No bitching about how hard life is. You either choose to murder someone or you don’t.

@37 Just like he doesn’t say shit about all the young Black men murdering each other and innocent civilians.

Trump has a lot to deal with. I would prefer he not say anything more because it’s exhausting to listen to him.

Give up your bullshit, 'No Spin Zone' (what a joke) ...military-style assault weapons have been used by young white trash killers at Sandy Hook, Aurora, Parkland, and on, and on..... who gives a shit about your pathetic attempt at parsing words, you fucking weirdo

@43 So-called assault weapons make up a small fraction of firearms used in murder. The handgun is by far the most popular for both White trash, and thugs.

Most thugs who shoot little girls doing homework in their kitchen, old ladies sleeping in their bedroom, and other innocent victims use handguns. And when I say most, I mean to say it’s somewhere in the neighborhood of 75%+.

No surprise when a bank robber breaks other laws like stealing cars and assault in addition to armed robbery. Also no surprise when an illegal trespassing boarder jumper breaks other laws like kidnapping, rape, and murder.

Doesn't the same logic that The Wall will keep violent criminals from crossing the border also apply to unrestricted reproductive rights keeping them from being born in the first place?

oath of citizenship...

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."