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@124: LOL Don't pretend that Kim, as the latest iteration of Period Troll, isn't an EPIC stirrer of the shit, not to mention Uses Login Names Like They're Hashtags Troll. What a peach of person they are! Auntie is hot headed, you know that, but I have to say that your comment @122 was beautiful.

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I can only pass on what former Democratic voters who are also women have told me:

They are fed up with the left's insistence that "women" are now a class of people who view themselves as women, and longer a group defined by the reality of being female.

They view the Democratic party as irreparably corrupt after what Clinton did to Sanders, who would have trounced Trump.

They are concerned about excess taxation of their families.

They view the Democrats as a party which hates them, and yet still demands they obey a set of rules they did not agree to.

They are fed up with the open political indoctrination of children in public schools into a kind of kiddy-wokeness.

They view the hardline left in the Democratic party as anti-Christian yet pro-Islam.

They are tired of constant destructive protesting by anarchist groups and view Democrats as tacitly approving of it.

They are sick of bizarre sociological theories like Queer Theory being treated as if they are mainstream policy guidelines.

They view Marxist Analysis as incompatible with the existing culture of independence and individualism in the United States, and thus reject it completely.

They find the death of unborn children extremely upsetting and view things like "Shout Your Abortion" as distasteful and a sign the Democrats do not care about the issue.

They are sick and tired of people judging them negatively based on the color of their skin.

I voted Democratic this election, I wasn't left with much choice. But it needs to be understood that many women are turning their backs on Democrats, and not because they are stupid or delusional. They have a number of reasons they voted for Republicans and most of the time would be happy to explain them to you, if only you asked.

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@126: “...Sanders, who would have trounced Trump.”

Ah, so these un-named female used-to-vote-Democrats who confide completely in you are delusional? That would explain a lot.

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@127

No, these actual former Democratic voters are individuals with agency who told me what they believe and why they weren't voting for Democrats. They also expressed frustration with the level of demands for orthodoxy from them, and pointed out that people won't listen to them because they aren't saying the things others want to hear.

People, particularly women, want to be welcomed into a party and listened to. They don't want to be dismissed or told they are delusional when the read the emails for themselves and followed the class action lawsuit where the DNC's lawyers stated openly they are under no obligation to obey their own rules regarding primaries. Clinton F'ed a third of the Democratic base and that will have lasting consequences.

But, you don't seem to really care what they think or what they want. That's going to make it hard to convince them to vote for the Democratic Party again though, because it's one of the main reasons they stopped.

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@128: So you're saying that these women won't vote for democrats any more because they didn't get to vote for Sanders, who is a socialist, but also because they think the democrats are Marxist.......? Ummmm 0_o?

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@128: You're saying women who have voted democrat, the party that has been pro-choice for decades, have walked away because Amelia Bownow, who is in no way affiliated with the DNC, started a hashtag.....? 0_o?

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@128

No, I'm saying exactly what I said, not something else. The general public, of which women are half, typically reject Marxist Analysis (systems of oppression, critical theory, intersectionality, etc) because they view it as simplistic, dehumanizing, and dealing in collectivism. The general public has trouble squaring this with the individualism and desire for privacy that is intrinsic to American culture.

The public also finds it curious that the more militant a Marxist Analyzer is, the more likely they are to be a privileged white person who lives in a safe neighborhood, doesn't work with their hands, and seems to be using the ideas of Marxism to ameliorate their own class-based guilt.

Sanders was just barely a socialist, and mostly in the best ways that people support. Very few people are against a "socialist" fire department, and many people want "socialized medicine" like the rest of the First World has. He combined honesty, integrity, incorruptibility, and a very American "we can do it" attitude with practical socialist changes a lot of people wanted to see, which is why the betrayal stings still for so many people.

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@130: Well then I have good news! The Democratic Party hasn't enshrined any of Marx's edicts into their platform! Yay! Now go tell those lady friends of which you spoke. I'm sure they'll be relieved.

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@130

What? Seriously, what are you talking about?

Imagine you support a woman's right to choose abortion if necessary, but find it very upsetting and want to reduce the frequency of abortion, or limit it to 20 weeks. There are a LOT of people with beliefs like this, and when people have their first child they almost always move at least a bit in that direction.

Then imagine you find Shout Your Abortion, and the people doing that activism turn out to have very specific plans about how YOU should be voting, lest they tell you to "choke on the patriarchy", or call you Judas. These are not winning electoral strategies.

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@Korg you've got a lot of confused lady friends. Wanted to vote for Sanders, who is as to the left as it is possible to be as a member of the Senate, but at the same time feel that Queer and Trans and Muslim people are icky and don't want to hear about them. Wanted to vote for Sanders, who is VERY pro-taxation, but also left the dems because they were afraid of taxation.......?

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@132: Again, I have good news! As l said, Amelia Bonow is in no way affiliated with the DNC! In fact, she was even hoping that Sanders would get the nomination. Tell your lady friends, I'm sure they'll be relieved.

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@133

Lisa, you can pretend to not understand what I am telling you all you want. But pretending is what is driving people away. Pretending will not get more women to vote for Democrats. Women are not the same as each other and not all women who didn't vote for Democrats have the same reasons, sometimes they have opposite reasons with the same conclusion.

Let's cut right to the heart of it with a question almost every woman I had these conversations with the last six months was asking, including my own wife. Exactly what does the Democratic party think a woman IS? This is an article about the evils of "white women", but it's a part of the Democratic platform that some women now have penises, right?

You would be shocked to learn how many liberal women are not on board with this idea AT ALL. Once the Trans Rights movement shifted the window from a demand for respect, dignity, and protection from discrimination to a whole-hog demand that the concept of "women" be altered to separate it permanently from the state of being female, females began quietly turning their backs on you. It turns out that "women's liberation", to most women, is actually the liberation of females from males who seek to dominate them because they are female. Planned Parenthood removing references to women and females from their material about pregnancy and abortion is a huge turn-off to a lot of liberal women. Mothers being told their daughters should now expect to see penises in their changing rooms at the pool and "educate" those daughters that some women are male drives people away.

Just one example of the disconnect, but be my guest, bury your head in the sand and la-la-la all you want. Average women aren't down with some of the things the Democrats stand for these days, and they are choosing to vote for other parties. Calling these women names or implying they're stupid for believing women are female just drives the wedge deeper.

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"Average women aren't down with some of the things the Democrats stand for these days, and they are choosing to vote for other parties." --Korgy

IS there some party they're 100% on board with?
Obviously not.

So ... they're voting for Republicans?
Greens? Democratic Socialists? Whom?

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And what about above-average women?

What choices do THEY have?

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@136

Depends on the election. Republicans can be a viable alternative on the local level, but rarely on the national level. I do know a few women who voted for Trump though, mostly because they despised Clinton and wanted her to lose.

The Democratic Party has done huge damage to their brand though and it's going to take some convincing to win people back, some people just don't want to know from national politics at all anymore and don't vote in national races, they fill in none of the above.

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Lissa @129 &c.: Thank you for sticking with it; I got busy, and could not join in the fun. I love how we rejected the premise of Korg's claims from the get-go, but since he's a right-wing guy and therefore cannot possibly be wrong -- just ask him! -- he kept on Very Earnestly Mansplaining to you the very points you were obviously mocking.

Among other laughers, he provided:

-- Persons who were not already Bernie-bros would pore over DNC e-mails;
-- Former pro-choice voters now favor the practical criminalization of all abortions;
-- The candidate who won the popular vote outright (and not by a small margin, either) was driving voters away;
-- Treating trans persons like human beings drove away female Democrats;
-- One sweeping generalization after another after another after another about women, all based on a tiny straw poll his readers don't even believe ever happened, followed by this gem: "Women are not the same as each other..."

Again, Lissa, thanks for egging Korg on. His resulting slew of laughers fit the "trashfire" theme of this thread perfectly.

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@135: The Democratic National Committee (DNC) adopted a platform that strongly backs LGBT equality, and specifically supports fairness for transgender people, reflecting Americans’ expanding awareness and understanding of the critical need to afford dignity and respect to all.

Addressing the current political climate, it says, “It is unacceptable to target, defame, or exclude anyone because of their race, ethnicity, national origin, language, religion, gender, age, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability.”

The DNC platform calls for comprehensive federal nondiscrimination laws that clearly protect LGBT people in housing, employment, education, public accommodations, credit, jury service, and federally-funded programs. It opposes efforts to impose state-sanctioned discrimination, including efforts to exclude LGBT people from public spaces, and denounces “the misuse of religion to discriminate.”

Other platform provisions call for addressing LGBT youth homelessness, school bullying, and racial and LGBT disparities in school discipline; supporting LGBT elders; collecting data on LGBT people along with other minority populations in federal surveys; and ensuring access to necessary health care—as well as “ending the crisis of violence against transgender Americans.”

So your lady friends have a problem with that, do they?
But also because they couldn't vote for Bernie Sanders who supported, and supports, all of the above........? 0_o?

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@140: :) I'm just trying to figure out how all these ladies he knows are simultaneously against everything Sanders stood for, LGBT rights, not demonizing Muslims, reproductive rights, taxation, etc., but left because they couldn't vote for him. I mean......

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Also I'm still a little hazy on why they think the Democratic Party supports Marxism, while simultaneously being mad at them for not nominating a socialist AND nominating someone they disliked for being a neo-liberal capitalist, which is pretty much the opposite? Of Marxism?
I mean these ladies are very confusing.

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"Marxist Analysis"

LOL. Nice try.

Quick, label anything you dont want to talk about as "Marxist"! That'll scare everyone.

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@141

Lisa, just say it. What is the Democratic Party's position on the definition of the word, "woman"?

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What did they think was going to happen if Sanders HAD ended up being President? That their taxes would go DOWN? That Trans people would have fewer right? Be banned from restrooms and locker rooms? That under Sanders there would be MORE restrictions on reproductive rights? That he would have instituted restrictions on Muslims and immigrants?
Sigh. Like I said, his lady friends are very confusing.

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@145: Hmmm so you've abandoned all the other reasons you say your lady friends have walked away? That it all boils down to them being uncomfortable with Trans people? Did they think that if Sanders got elected that Trans people were going to be forced backwards? Really?
Are you sure these ladies really would have voted for him? Or did they have a fundamental misunderstanding of what he stood for? Cuz I gotta say, your lady friends sound like just straight up republicans.....

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We have a two-party Duopoly
and, as Clinton put it
(post-Triangulation!),
where ELSE they
gonna GO?!

Perhaps The Middle may be tonnes
more Powerful than the crappy
two Corporate/mostly Corporate
'choices' we're offered, and offer
More for the larger demographic.
Including the Womenfolk.

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[Hey Stranger -- if I hafta scroll down TWICE thru this clickfest (after having been so spoiled before) to have my comment appear before my eyes, I'll know Exactly whom to blame for my Carping Tunnel Syndrome]

[dammit!]

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@145

Hey Lisa, don't you think it's a little weird that you don't want to tell us what the Democratic Party thinks a woman is?

I understand - if you say women are simply what we call adult females you'll be pilloried as transphobic and lose your woke bonifides. If you say women are now just whoever says they are one, it kind of gives female voters a real reason to not vote for Democrats.

So Lisa, after reading this article and trash-talking the concerns of my female friends and co-workers, tell us, what exactly IS a woman anyway?

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Oh and I just went through the pertinent parts of the Democratic Party platform and I didn't find any definitions. Just, ya know, the stuff I posted @141. And again, all positions Sanders supported and still supports. So......I don't know what to tell your lady friends except that maybe they were LUCKY they didn't get to vote for Sanders, because as far as Trans rights go,(not to mention taxation and abortion rights and Muslims?) he would have been their worst nightmare.

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Yeah, Lissa, thanks for shining light on shade!
or, perhaps it was thru fog.

Those gal friends of Korg's --
they do seem quite confused.

Still waiitng for Clarification on them...

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@149: "Hey Lisa, don't you think it's a little weird that you don't want to tell us what the Democratic Party thinks a woman is?"

Well then, you'll just have to provide a quote from, and a url citation to, the Democratic Party Platform's exact words on this topic.

No problem. We'll wait.

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I'm also wondering why a Democratic definiton for a 'Woman' is imperative.

I wonder also if our 'definitions' for male and female are truly Relevant these days, etc, especially without The Church leering over our shoulders. Thank God for that small favor.

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@149: Didn't you say something about women voters not being monolith? Do you really think all Democratic women are Transphobic? Huh. Weird.
No, I'm afraid most people probably don't spend all that much time worrying what is or isn't under somebody's skirt like your lady friends do. I know I certainly don't.
I get that people like taxonomy, and being able to easily sort people, and maybe having to worry about pronouns now, when didn't before, can be unsettling. I even get that for some weird reason the idea of Trans people can give rise to an existential crisis in some people. But that's like an oak tree being freaked out by the existence of a Douglas fir. They're both trees. The fir tree doesn't cancel out the oak. Trans women don't mean your lady friends aren't women anymore, and Trans men don't mean you're not still a man too.
But hey, like I said, if this is the issue that drove your friends from the Democratic Party then they are lucky that they didn't get to vote for Sanders after all, because they would have been REALLY unhappy if he had won.

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@154: Well if you ran into Buck Angel on the street would you accept what you saw? So? Why get your drawers in a bunch about it.
https://www.google.com/search?q=buck+angel+image&client=safari&hl=en-us&prmd=ivn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj7qai4mMveAhUCNn0KHdgRC98Q_AUIEigB&biw=1024&bih=672#imgrc=QQ9nPPBTlu9BjM

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@150

It may not be clear to you why this is important, but it's clear to females who are just reading the comments. Five years ago your response would have been something like, "What kind of idiotic question is that, women are adult females!"

But now, you can't or won't answer the question. What's changed? Why on Earth would you expect women to vote for your party when you respect them so little you can't even admit they are female? This type of thing is completely bizarre to normal people.

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@156 & 157: Ok, whaaaaaaaat?
You're being kind of opaque.

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@160: "But now, you can't or won't answer the question."

So I guess you'll just have to do that for us.

Any time now.

Really.

Once you're done with that, you can address what Lissa noted @146. You started @126 with a great big long laundry list of What The Democrats Did To Drive Women Away, which seems now to have rapidly dwindled to a dispute over a single point in the Democratic Party Platform that you yourself can't even seem to get around to quoting.

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@160: Pssst. I answered you in my comment @155. Oh and LOLOLOL about what you think my answer would have been 5 years ago. Are you under the impression that Trans people bloomed into existence, fully formed, all over the globe, in 2013? Sorry, but I'm hear to tell you that 5 years ago I knew Trans people, 10 years ago I knew Trans people, and before I knew any personally, I had know of their existence since the 70s and it has not influenced how I vote except to vote for their rights to live without being discriminated against.

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154
"Well, there are the folks with a bunch of shit in their heads that is not real..."

So I hear

"... and then there are the folks who accept what they see... "

And I bet they like to Look Awful Closely

"... and do not attempt to debase the ancient sciences."

Those ancient Religulous Sciences?

So, we're gotta be Beholden to them, forever?
(say, when's that Rapture a'comin'?)

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@160: You reminded me of when Doonsbury introduced a gay character in the late 70s named Andy I think. Another character came up to him and said " Hey man, I hear you're gay!" To which Andy replied "Hey, I hear you're black" The other man sputtered " But that's normal" And Andy said "Yeah? Didn't used to be."
Normal people used to think black people wanting equality was completely bizarre.
Normal people used to think that being gay was completely bizarre.
Shrug. We got over it (to a certain extent), and eventually your lady friends (and you, because let's be honest, this is mostly about you) will get over being freaked out about Trans people living their lives.
But until then feel free to vote republican.

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"You do not get to tell the entire universe to accommodate your High Unholiness."

Why on Earth not?

To Expect accommodation
would be the Mistake.

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Well, at least we know whom to Blame....

Thanks!

170

hmmm ... it disappeared
c'est la vie

[Hey, Stranger, I'll swap ya some CAPS for
Italicizin']

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@166: The problem is that people like Korg's lady friends seem to see Trans people wanting to live their lives as High Unholiness.

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171
They are not free to choose?
Oh, okay. The Problem is their Choice.

Thanks again, Lissa!
[i love your llama!]

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@165

Still no answer, huh? Hmm . . .

The reason why this particular issue is a sticking point is that your inability to express that women are, in fact, adult females demonstrates your total disconnect from the electorate. Average women living their daily lives are completely confused as to why all of a sudden progressives can't affirm that women are female and that women's issues are centered around being female.

You claim to advocate for their interest but can't bring yourself to admit they exist. yet you expect them to vote for your party. If you don't see what the problem is there you aren't going to get those votes.

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172
"Like that article by some Asian beast this very paper ran that said refusing to ram it up that thing’s asshole is transphobia?"

Yeah, that's some weird shit.
Is there more to the story?

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"... yet you expect them to vote for your party." --Korg, above

There's that 'expect' word again.
And THAT's Exactly the Problem.

Corporate Dems Expect everyone else to fall in line
'cause wherethefuck ELSE they gonna fucking go?

Fuck these corporate, Election-rigging Pro-Corps "parties."

There's Tons WE, the people can agree on.
And Corporate Rule most likely isn't one of them.

(Distractions, however, can be quite Useful...)

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There's Tons WE, the people can agree on.
And Corporate Rule most likely IS one of them.

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@174: “...total disconnect from the electorate.”

Would that would be “the electorate” which gave the Democratic presidential candidate millions more votes than other presidential candidates in 2016? Or do you refer to some entirely different electorate? Do tell.

“...women's issues are centered around being female.”

And yet, you have repeatedly claimed these very same women want restrictions on reproductive freedom so extensive that forcing childbirth would become a primary mission of the government.

“Still no answer, huh? Hmm . . .”

Yes, when will you quote this incredibly important point from the Democratic Party’s Platform, a point of such overwhelmingly dominant importance that every last woman you know seems to have become utterly obsessed with it? (To the apparent exclusion of the entire rest of your laundry list @126, may I add.)

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@173: You are kind :) Oh and it's a rabbit. A rabbit with a vicious streak a mile wide! Run away! Run away!
@174: ? Ummmm as I told you, I answered you in my comment @155....
Go read it again. Trans women don't make me, or your lady friends, any less of a women, any more than a pine tree makes an oak tree any less of a tree.
And like I said, both you, and your lady friends, are free to vote for the party which most closely aligns with your values, which in this case is the Republicans. The rest of us, who aren't Transphobic, won't.

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Oh, I can see that now
I liked him better as a llama
(just my Opinion)

he was in that Movie,* was't he?!

*Holy Grail
Viscious little bugger...

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@182: Well, Llamas are a fabulous. Of the ruminants, they are among my favorites.

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@180

Ah, there's an answer finally. Stating that women are female is transphobic. Got it. I'm sure the voters will just go bananas over that and be beating down your door to vote your way.

Right up until they find out they can't talk about endometriosis anymore because it's offensive to women who have prostates. Or when they find out the party they've been voting for for 30 years no longer believes that lesbians are female homosexuals and pushes for legislation to give protection to straight men living a fetish lifestyle with their wives , because they "identify as lesbians".

Or when their daughter, a champion sprinter, is third on the podium behind two people who were on the boy's team last year. Or when they find out their trans child has been on Lupron for three years and wants to detransition, but finds out they now have a permenently child sized penis and can't ever have a normal sexual relationship.

If you think me pointing out that somebody like Charlotte Clymer is NOT A WOMAN is transphobic, so be it. But this is complete lunacy and women, as in females with uterine linings, are not okay with these changes once they really internalize what you have in mind for them, what future you have planned for the "women" of the world.

Crazy stances like these are driving women away from progressive spheres and away from the Democratic Party.

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@124 tensor: It's time for you to chill out and put out some of the trash fires you spew about KimK. @1 was inarguably the very first commenter to post to Katie's thread, and then later broadcast an overlong, rapid fire mini novel in comment @86, which ClaraT and Lissa had both commented on. WTF, tensor, are you and Sportlandia dating or in a relationship by any chance, and, like Tammy Wynette, you gotta stand by your man? You both appear to be on the same bait-and-bash drag -em through the trash fire page. How ironic that you complain about trash fires, only to get off on fanning the flames yourself. Mmmmm----smell the burning hypocrisy. KKKKim is FAR more inflammatory than I am.
@125 Lissa: Hotheaded? If you got ganged up on by trolls spewing really nasty, vulgar insults (please reread from @27 on past @71--you'll notice about 10 comments have since been pulled, and none of which were mine), wouldn't you get a little hot-headed, too? The content from the banned comments was absolutely inexcusable, Lissa. If you had been the target of such atrocity---which was beyond horrible---what would your reaction in this thread have been? What I was fighting off was in my opinion, equivalent to cyber-bullying at its worst.
@55 kristofarian: Thank you and bless you, Phoebe, ClaraT, Lissa, and others for jumping into the fray.

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@180 Lissa; Aha--I knew I'd spotted a rather aggressive looking lop eared bunny grinning wickedly.

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@124: Tensor, I have decided that trash fire is really more of a perfect term for you than I, especially when you retort with "Is that how you got out of trouble in kindergarten, too?"
By the way, I don't start shit, let alone fan any flames, but I usually end it.

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@124: If you had been subjected to the severity of trolling comments from @27 through @70 as I had, what would your reaction have been? Never mind Wile E. Coyote---would you have responded like sweet, little ol' Penelope Pitstop? Mmmmmmm---smell that burnin' hypocrisy, y'all.

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Katie, in summary my only real beef about your article is the generalization of white women voters referred in the title, which others besides me have since pointed out. Not all of us white women over 50 vote Republican. I for one know better.

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@184: We’re still waiting for chapter and verse from the Democratic Party Platform which would support anything you’ve so far written. Given your descent into expression of flat-out terrified bigotry against trans persons — now with barely a mention of all those many many many women you know, every last one of whom just so happens to agree with you that trans is so, so icky — I doubt you’ll get anywhere close enough to reality to quote anything from it.

(Also, I highly doubt everyone you know with “uterine linings” really wants the state to monitor the status of such linings to the degree you’ve claimed here.)

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@185: No, no don't misunderstand me! I LOVE that you're hot headed. You fight like an internet Marine, and it is glorious to watch. <3

194

193

(to dear auntie Gee):

Seconded.

195

P.S.
We need MORE women warriors.

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184: Ah. To remind you, you started with a laundry list, and you've ended up here. You've been desperate to find something you can clutch to your bosom to absolve you for doing what you've wanted to do all along: vote republican.
Korg, my dear, you and your lady friends are adults. You have agency, and since the Republican Party aligns with your values, then go, be Republicans, and thank your lucky stars that Sanders DIDN'T end up in the White House, because he would not have supported your, frankly irrational fears. A moratorium on discussing endometriosis? LOL, yeah, no.
So go! Take your lady friends and run into the waiting arms of the Republican Party, and as you snuggle into their embrace you can sniffle to each other how it's not your fault, but that one mean lady in the comments on a blog post made you do it.
In conclusion, we see you. Nobody forced you to do this. You and your friends were always Republicans at heart, and the Democrats and CERTAINLY Bernie, are not. So run along, Korg. Run along.

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@195: <3

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@196: Lissa, thanks again for the great job with Korg. I had thought the humor value of this trash fire had been exhausted, but he dumped some more oily garbage here, and you flamed it nicely.

@185: "It's time for you to chill out and put out some of the trash fires you spew about KimK."

I've mentioned Kim K. exactly once. You've engaged that copy-pasta troll how many times? Priceless!

(And this is from the very first line, atop the first of FIVE consecutive comments you write, whining about how horribly mean other persons, including me, are treating you. Self-awareness much?)

@188: "If you had been subjected to the severity of trolling comments from @27 through @70 as I had, what would your reaction have been?"

While King Arthur was initially taken aback by the ferocity of the French taunting, did he abandon his quest for The Holy Grail?

No, he did not.

Let his heroism be an inspiration to you! Change comes from within! (Good luck with that...)

(Oh, and "SHE STARTED IT!!!" is indeed the perfect "explanation" we've come to expect -- in kindergarten. Grow up sometime.)

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@198: Thank you, you are kind. ;)

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@193 @197 Lissa: Booyah! Thank you. I'm flattered by your kind words--I was an enlisted U.S. Navy supply grunt for the SEALs during the Gulf War. I guess that's helped make Griz a warrior. This comment thread (see @27 through @75) was one hell of an ugly fight. I honestly don't know how Dan Savage can stomach dealing with Republicans--especially the most rabid ones.
@194 & @195 kristofarian: Many thanks for your kind support, too,, and for coming to my rescue at comment @55. As for the need of more women warriors, yes, we sure do!
@198 Dear mIss lil ol' trash fahr, y'all: ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...........wake me up when you actually have something decent to add to this thread than your usually condescending middle school spewage. Oh--and you might want to read comments @193, @194, @195 & @197 before making any more hasty Griz-bashing replies.

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@196 Lissa: BOOYAH! You GO, grrrrrrrl! Women warriors we be!

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@200: Still feeling burned by my trashfire comment, even though I didn’t originally direct it at anyone? Perhaps you saw yourself in my description of the problem? Maybe self-awareness can be yours after all!

“...middle school spewage.”

Funny, that’s exactly what I thought about this piece of gay-baiting:

“WTF, tensor, are you and Sportlandia dating or in a relationship by any chance, and, like Tammy Wynette, you gotta stand by your man?”

Literally the last time I heard something like that was in middle school, due to not yet having obtained a girlfriend at my advanced age of thirteen. Now, my fellow boys that age were supposed to be sexually insecure; what’s your excuse? (Well, at least you made it above the kindergarten level...)

“Oh--and you might want to read comments @193, @194, @195 & @197 before making any more hasty Griz-bashing replies.”

Likewise, you could have saved yourself much humiliating frustration, had you read all the way to the end of Lissa’s comment @125.

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@124 & @198: If things become too inflammatory, tensor, might I suggest you have a glass of red wine with a shot of CO2? Maybe that will finally extinguish your lil ol' roaring trash fahr, y'all.
Yep---Griz is fahred UP!

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@203: Okay--I stand corrected about your gender, anyway, if not your grade level. So you're male. Somehow I thought you were female. That explains a lot, and confirms that when it comes to trolling, you and Sporty are on the same page. See what y'all fahred UP? LOL

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@203: Oh--I get it-----you're actually SCARED of Griz! BWHAAHAHAAHAAHAAHAAHAAHAAHAAHAWW!! Really, tensor--your "beautiful" comment @122 was the best laugh of this entire overrun roller coaster of a comment thread. LOL Go get a beer already.

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Did comment @205 get pulled? Honest to Pete I am not gay-baiting, just swatting off Griz baiters and bashers--regardless of their gender identity or sexual orientation.

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I say let's ALL go get a beer, glass of red (white, rose, etc.) wine, beverage of choice, etc., and chill.

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@205, 207: Weak. You really thought a commenter here was female because why, exactly? Because there are so many female commenters here? Are you seriously trying to claim that you were straight-baiting?

News flash: it's entirely possible for two completely independent observers to come to the very same conclusion from the very same data. That remains true even if said very same conclusion is very much unflattering to you personally. (And even if you just perceive it to be so.) So, instead of "straight"-baiting any persons who dare reach this conclusion, how about you consider for a moment it might have some validity? Among us liberals, isn't our connection to reality, our ability to consider we may be wrong, exactly what makes us better than right-wingers?

@206: Likewise, a joke just cannot be funny if you are the target of it, eh? Get over yourself. Take your dispute over my comments to Lissa, because she is the one with whom you have a disagreement.

Again, you took great personal offense at a silly remark I had made to describe the entire thread. You might wonder why you saw yourself specifically and vividly depicted in such a general and mild criticism.

Thanks for keeping the trash fires burning! :-)

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"Among us liberals, isn't our connection to reality, our ability to consider we may be wrong, exactly what makes us better than right-wingers?"

No. It doesn't make us 'better.'
It makes us less Reptilian.

(which I prefer, 3-1)

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[wow. page three is disappeared]

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@209: Which one of us brought up gay-baiting first here, trashy? What are you so scared of? Burning to a crisp? Going extinct? LOL Go have a beer, and take Sporty with you.
@210; kristofarian For the less Reptilian WIN! Bravo, sir!

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@211 kristofarian: tensor scared off page three with a flame thrower.

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@209: Wait, Auntie and I have a disagreement? I'm obviously not keeping up; which comment?

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@212: “Which one of us brought up gay-baiting first here, trashy?”

That would be you, when you snidely wondered if I was dating Sportlandia, in your failed attempt to belittle the point each of us had independently made.

Good to see you’ve added name-calling to the fire, as well. How classy of you!

(Also, what’s with your fixation with my supposed fear? Is that just projection?)

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@214 Lissa: Fear not---you and I are on the same page. Trashy @209 is just baiting us.
@215 trashy: Seriously--both you and Sporty need a beer, a frontal lobotomy, and to chill out fer fuck's sake! Your repeatedly inflammatory comments fully illustrate your fears. I'd laugh if this weren't so pathetic. While you're obsessed with trash fires; Sporty has a preference for stirring up cesspools. Now run along before you turn flaccid.

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It's 2:49 am Wednesday, November 14, 2018; Griz is comfortably numb and no typos. Any questions? I didn't think so.

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You can't cite a much worse anti-male sexist statement than this:

"we are lumping an entire demographic together and then assuming that demographic has been brainwashed by her husband."

Feminists say to women, "Don't listen to your patriarchal husband. We DEMAND that you listen to us.

Feminism = patriarchy. Maybe worse.

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@216: “Lissa: Fear not---you and I are on the same page.”

Sadly, No! The carefully respectful dialog to which Lissa has treated me stands in stark contrast to your jejune personal attacks, including your trashy name-calling.

“Your repeatedly inflammatory comments fully illustrate your fears.”

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Self-awareness much? (Thanks for confirming your endless nattering about my supposed fear is indeed your projection.)

Good luck putting out a trash fire with rubbing alcohol; better than continuing to drink it, I guess.

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@219: ....and you took your own bait, trashy! LOL I'll be more respectful towards you when you do the same for me. For someone claiming to have no fears you sure do spew a lot, trashy. I really like your nervous laugh in all caps. LOL Here's an idea: why don't we let Lissa speak for herself? I think she's perfectly capable.

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@216: Oh look, a dick joke. (Now that you know I have one.) How classy of you.

@218: “LOL I'll be more respectful towards you when you do the same for me.”

LOL what desperate folly leads you to believe I care in the slightest what you think of me? If you wan to keep on with the gay-baiting and dick jokes, I can’t stop you. That you could somehow believe another adult would even want the respect of someone who trash-talks like a young teenager — now that really is hilarious!

“I really like your nervous laugh in all caps. LOL”

Yep. You’re projecting all right. IN CAPS.

Thanks for the laughs.

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@221: Dick jokes? I warned you about going flaccid, trashy! LOL Maybe you should lay off the fast food.

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@222: “Maybe you should lay off the fast food.”

Well, to be fair, your knowledge of my diet dwarfs your knowledge of anything else you’ve commented upon here.

Still, in the spirit of being helpful, I’ll give you advice which is every bit as relevant to your life as your advice was to mine: have just one glass of port after a multi-course meal.

You’re welcome!

Thanks for the laughs.

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@23: Port? Guess again. Red wine, for my own dietary purposes, is my one allotted alcoholic beverage of choice. Thanks for the laughs, tensor, and you're equally welcome.


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