Slog AM: Secretive Earthquake Study Outlines Only Part of Our Undoing, Seattle Single-Family Neighborhoods Are Racist and Classist

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Gouda looks a bit like our old farm cat Turtle, who was somewhat feral and hunted down anything smaller than she.

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Does Gouda have a tipped ear? Is she a rescue?

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@2 she is a rescue, but no tipped ear. It is just hiding beneath the third level of her cat tree. She does, however, have a little kink at the end of her tail.

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Grabbing a pack of cookies this morning to go with my coffee: 35 seconds. If that's a "dumb idea" I want to hear your smart one.

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I'm not so feverishly against Amazon Go stores. The sad thing to watch is other grocery stores trying to stay ahead of the trend. My QFC has started trying to push these scanner devices on customers to have them scan their food themselves as they are moving through the store. It really goes to show there is a hierarchy of quality in innovation. The genius of Amazon Go is that it removes the inconvenience of checkout altogether. QFC takes a task that already exists, and just asks that the customer do it instead of a checkout person. Both would lead to a loss of jobs. One imposes new inconvenience on the customer. But Amazon is the one getting the flack.

Maybe with all the savings, Amazon can hire people to help me find the products I am looking for. I spent 10 minutes looking for my precious French's Fried Onions for the traditional bean casserole for Hannukah. Couldn't find a free QFC employee to save my life.

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@4

Cookies for breakfast is a dumb idea.

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@6 I've had breakfast. A tasty Biscoff or two greatly improves the coffee experience, in my view. $3 for 32 of them, I'm good for another few weeks, and it barely slowed down the walking part of my commute.

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@6, unless those cookies are eggs and instead of chocolate chips there are chopped mushrooms.

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@7

Cool! I don't want our engineers engineering on an empty stomach. :)

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@9 Correct. The houses aren't racist and classist. It's the intent behind and effect of the zoning. Good clarification - others might have been confused.

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@4 There is another way! Set the timer on a coffee maker to have your coffee ready instantly upon waking, and keep a stash of cookies in your cabinet. Since you'll be buying in larger quantities to last the week, you will also save money. And if you're tacking your purchases onto a weekly grocery trip, you likely aren't losing more than 35 seconds, dispersed over an entire week.

If you run out of your coffee and cookies, and can't replenish them because of a hectic week, perhaps leave five minutes early and pay a visit to a locally-owned cafe, making up for the time-loss with substantially higher-quality coffee, and making up for the higher-coffee-cost with the PRICELESS experience of the traditionally-slow, PNW-hipster-coffee-shop-service!

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@11 Lol. This response is pitch perfect.

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~9 Good child-molester logic there. Whatever gets you through each minute, I guess.

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The residential neighborhoods of Seattle evolved through its history, the degree to which one can weave in a racist narrative will forever be debated.

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So much interest in my mornings!

@12 I drink my coffee at work. I suppose I could buy cookies in larger quantities, but I'm not sure where I can buy a larger pack of Biscoffs anywhere, let alone near my workplace. And $3 is kind of an excellent price that's tough to beat.

I think the main reason I don't buy coffee at coffee shops isn't just the price (that's part of it), but the time it takes. A 35 second Go Cafe would be greatly appreciated.

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@12,

Well, I think someone just may be aiming for the coveted Gold Star Comment of the Week honor!

I mean, I can't necessarily fault Matt for taking advantage of a convenience, but the reality is that we should all at least try to be mindful of the larger scale implications of such conveniences (and I've no doubt whatsoever that I'm guilty of at least some degree of hypocrisy here.) I'd urge anyone who hasn't done so to read Vonnegut's Player Piano, which takes a fun and predictably dark/bleak look at a future in which we've automated everything.

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@15, in much the same way, every time you take a breath in, you are inhaling at least a few atoms that were at one point in Jefferson Davis’ spooge. The degree to which you are taking it from a confederate president is up for debate.

God, now I feel bad.

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Those really are some depressing socks. They make me feel sadder than that polar bear looks.

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@16 I bet you can get biscoff packets amazon prime now’d.

Oh wait.

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My personal, insightful, ever-so-valuable observation on the 520 noise problem-
the old bridge was marked for 50 so people took their 5 and traffic moved along at 55. Also, it was posted for no lane-changes on the bridge, so folks usually just fell into line and made their moves before or after the bridge deck.
The new bridge is posted for 60 (variable) so traffic is moving faster plus people have option to move around slower-moving vehicles.

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@16: If only you wasted more of your time and money, the world could be saved. It's all your fault.

@18: I cast doubts on your math.

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@15:

You've heard of "redlining", yes? The practice whereby minorities were deliberately prevented from purchasing homes in certain residential neighborhoods? It was very much a thing in Seattle in the post-WW II era, so, in fact, no, not something open for debate. I would suggest viewing Matt Smith's solo piece "My Last Year With The Nuns" (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3089126/) for a good, albeit anecdotal, recap of how it affected race relations in Seattle in the 1960's.

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@23:

In this instance at least, it doesn't appear to be a case of government "getting out of the way" as it is getting NIMBY single-family home owners who resist up-zoning out of the way of government trying to solve a very real, pressing problem that is not going to go away on its own.

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@23: Families still need homes, not apartments.

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@26 Families need homes, whether they're built together or apart. Banning new housing supply in the vast majority of our land area during a severe housing shortage is short sighted at best, malicious, greedy, classist and racist at worst.

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@25: Those so-called "NIMBY" single-family owners (Including Charles and yourself) have no say n the matter. Zoning is dictated by the Seattle "Everybody's problems in everybody's back yard" City Council.

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@4 -- Breakfast, fit for a [commuting?] Champion:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxCUHjx7U7Y
IF you have the Time [1.5 min] for it

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@27: If you haven't noticed, there's new apartment construction throughout the city and now a glut of vacant apartments is at least on the horizon.

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@30- not even close to accurate. Net influx last year was 21k to Seattle and over 50k to the metro area.
@26-Huh, It is weird how all these families, all over our country and world, somehow manage to raise families in apartments, condos, semi-detached houses and all sorts of things that are not single family detached homes.

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@31- yes- they also have generally unbounded cities. You let me know when Dallas runs into an ocean.

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Yes, by all means lets get rid of zoning laws, so that we can be Houston.

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@25 You are correct, sir.

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Laurelhurst and Madison Park residents should count themselves lucky the state didn't build 520 right through their front lawns.

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@30 the glut is only because a bunch brand-spankin' new big downtown apartment buildings (McKenzie, West Edge, Helios, Cirrus, Stratus and Tower12). All recently opened, and they each seem to have 250-450 units. EXPENSIVE units.

Even without HQ2(s), It would take a bit to lease all these out. Some of the penthouse apts are asking 10+k a month!!!

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@38 But the effects remain. And the downzones that went with them are still in effect.

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@38 Huh- so everything is fine and there are no legacies of this policy, no concentrated areas of poverty or neighborhoods where services are under-developed?

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@18 tough competition for the Gold Star Comment today!

And the math checks out if you assume good mixing of all carbon atoms accessible to living things.

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@38:

By gum, you're right! Why, when redlining was abolished any negative impacts immediately disappeared, with the result being that today we clearly live in an age where those impacts have long faded away into the mist of history - exactly like what happened when the Confederate States of America lost the Civil War 153 years ago and the negative impacts of slavery and racism instantly vanished in a -

hey, wait a minute...

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@40: If you want to extrapolate and milk that narrative, go ahead. Pairs well with @18.

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@21 -

The deck design is vastly different now. The joints/deck are elevated about 30' above the water and open below. Old deck was ~15' above water and directly on the pontoons. My guess is that the joints themselves are able to better radiate sound down onto the water and propagate towards the shore relative to the old design.

It does seem louder now regardless of cause.

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single family zoned neighborhoods allow people to have a little bit of space, for those that aren't into being stacked up five stories high in an apartment, or even share a wall with a neighboring townhouse or condo. what is hard to understand regarding its appeal?

sure, you need to be able to afford it, but that isn't racist OR classist - its how the world works.

so much of the seattle mission to kill SF zoning is pure jealous rage - "if i can't afford it NOBODY should get to live in their own house with a yard, NOBODY! RRARGGGH!"

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Happy Hanukkah, Michael, Gouda, and all celebrating! Seattle single-family neighborhoods are now racist and classist?? Not when I lived in the Emerald City.
@34: ...and just in time for a Category 5 hurricane, too, like Harvey. Catalina for the win.

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@45 I don't think you understand zoning. You're absolutely allowed to build a SF home in any residential zone you want. Nobody's making you build an apartment. It's actually the other way around - you're forcing land owners around you to underutilize their land (and therefore kick people out of the city). The only one doing the forcing in this situation is you and other NIMBYs.