According to studies most women would rather work for a man than for a woman.

Samoas, duh.
Caramel + crunchewy, delicious, and one box = two/thirds serving.

'Thin mints' are like ... well, why would anyone Like them enough to steal them?! I find that a bit depraved.

These stories about Klobuchar do concern me, especially combined with the fact that she’s had the highest staff turnover in the Senate from 2001 to 2016. Yes, these staff jobs entail high demands and high stress. But high turnover also means dysfunction and chaos — and I think we’ve had enough of that with Trump. I’m listening to what she has to say, but I’m also a bit wary. (This is why I’m also wary of Inslee — I’ve heard from friends who work in Olympia that Inslee is really undisciplined and disorganized.)

Amazon does not give a shit (sorry) and they will not lose the lawsuit. Amazon has been sued by disabled people before, even people who had cancer (and subsequently died). I personally know someone who lost a lawsuit who had worked for Amazon for a decade, was disabled, AND of an age where that should have also protected them. NOPE. LOST. LOST TIME, LIFE, MONEY, REPUTATION, AND EVEN MORE OF THEIR HEALTH.

No one has won a law suit against Amazon. I was fired when I got sick and I had an outside advocate, an illness protected by the Americans with Disabilities Act, and the knowledge that I had done my job and done it well. They fired me anyway, told me I failed at doing my job properly, wrote up a bunch of shit about me that wasn't true, said "sign this shit and promise not to sue us and we'll pay you a month's pay" and that was that.

Amazon DOES NOT GIVE ONE FUCK ABOUT ANY HUMAN BEING WORKING FOR THEM, PERIOD, FULL STOP. That employee will lose a ton of money suing them. They literally have a fleet of lawyers and they will destroy that person's life. Don't believe me? Think I'm just a disgruntled former employee? Let's regroup when it's over.

This man lost his case and it was dismissed with prejudice (meaning he can't try to sue Amazon again). FYI he was a former HR administrator who sued Amazon for "unlawful employment practices."

https://gizmodo.com/amazon-sued-by-former-human-resources-administrator-for-1825536234

https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/24309137/Mejia_v_Amazoncomdedc

It will be interesting to see how this suit against Amazon turns out. Family is suing for wrongful death and discrimination.

https://www.geekwire.com/2018/amazon-sued-family-deceased-employee-claiming-wrongful-death-discrimination/

Next actions to be taken in the lawsuit postponed until April 2019.
https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/26712188/Gipson_et_al_v_AmazonCom,_Inc

And will Woody Allen win his lawsuit?

https://usa.inquirer.net/20878/amazon-sued-for-68-million-over-breach-of-contract?utm_expid=.XqNwTug2W6nwDVUSgFJXed.1

Another lawsuit by a woman's whose husband's death was caused by Amazon's complete disregard for human life.

https://patch.com/illinois/joliet/amazon-caused-joliet-workers-agonizing-death-lawsuit

And more: (note at the end of the article it references yet another lawsuit that Amazon won).

https://www.inc.com/suzanne-lucas/amazon-sued-for-labor-violations.html

@4: So now we know the source of your vehement anti-Amazon haranguing. You were fired. Given your perpetually acerbic, hostile and angry disposition on just about everything, I would want to hear Amazon's side of the story before awarding you sympathy points on your firing.

RE: Klobuchar.

Don't know her and don't care if she runs or not but...

Former staffer alleges she's got a bad temper. Other people rumor she's got a bad temper.
vs.
Current president Donnie on tape admitting to sexual assault.

Maybe let's keep things in perspective, m'kay?

Oh, Canada

@7 Fuck Woody Allen.

That's it. I'm boycotting Amazon as well as Starbuck's, dammit!
Get ready for Snowmageddon II, folks. Winter isn't over yet. Climate change is real, and Nature's pissed. Be careful with what you wish for, snowboarders and public school-aged kids.
@1: Don't rely solely on statistics. How many female employees have you surveyed?
@Nathalie and @2 kristofarian: Consider auntie grizelda Girl Scout cookie depraved. For me, Thin Mints ROCK (what brand of toothpaste do you use, Nathalie?), and my diet would be totally blown if I hadn't had to go gluten free and watch my sugar. So my new personal favorite Girl Scout cookie is their gluten free Toffee-tastic. I'm going to have to try their new GF-caramel chocolate chip cookie for 2019. YUM! Hopefully my diet isn't totally blown by the end of Girl Scout cookie season.

@10: I know--you're ready to jump on Griz about MY sugar intake, aren't you, sugarlips? I haven't purchased any Girl Scout cookies yet, but I do envy Rich.

Re Klobuchar: For me, those stories, which seem to have a fair amount of corroboration, are pretty much disqualifying. Not I'd-vote-for-Trump-before-her disqualifying or, if-she-were-the-Democratic-nominee-running-against-Trump-I'd-fail-to give-her-a-lot-of-money disqualifying, but disqualifying in any situation involving a sane choice.

She'd pretty much have to eat babies for me to prefer Trump. Actually, I'd rather vote for a baby-eater. I have confidence that a baby-eater would be removed from office.

Of course, I used to have confidence that the US would not select a president whose main qualifications were ignorance, stupidity, hate, an unwillingness to learn, dishonesty, and a complete inability to distinguish reliable sources (like the intelligence agencies created for the purpose of providing him with the best available information) from unreliable ones (like Vladimir Putin and Alex Jones). So, I'm pretty clearly an idiot. If the baby eater were enough of a racist and a xenophobe, Congress would probably be willing to overlook a few missing kids.

@10 I don't need or want your fucking sympathy and if you think Amazon would tell you the truth about anything, I've got a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn (oh and I disclosed long ago I was fired by Amazon and that they fired me for getting sick).

@14 I agree 1000% I just wonder if he will win because of who he is and of course that would be something seriously fucked up, wouldn't it?

The fact that so many people here defend Amazon is really beyond comprehension to me. There are literally thousands of people who have been fucked over by them. It's like Seattle suffers from fucking Stockholm Syndrome or something. Must suck Bezos cock and disparage all who are against Amazon. Fuck every single one of you.

https://sites.google.com/site/thefaceofamazon/

You Don't Just Get Fired at Amazon. (They've changed their PIP MO to one of 3 options)

"It's a kangaroo court. My impression of the process is it's totally unfair," said one Seattle employment lawyer who represented an Amazon employee who participated in the process.

https://www.inc.com/bill-murphy-jr/you-dont-just-get-fired-at-amazon-what-happens-instead-is-brilliant-or-maybe-insane-your-choice.html

@10

No one gives a shit about sympathy from you, you dumb narcissist.

Regarding the Kraft case, this pretty much exemplifies why I still get squicky about prostitution. Yeah, I know we're supposed to regard sex workers as entrepreneurs with gumption exercising the agency and all (and I actually was that person myself for a hot minute years ago).

But there's an awful lot of really shady stuff that goes on all around the industry too. In this case, the exploited immigrant women are really the only sympathetic parties. Kraft and his co-defendants must have had some kind of an inkling what was going on with these women but turned a blind eye to it because they were horny. That's kind of a different situation from someone hiring someone they know is a free agent.

I'm not really sure how best to re-write the laws to protect legitimate sex workers who are in control of what they are doing from this sort of thing. I dunno, maybe ditch laws against prostitution while keeping them for pandering and pimping? Although there are problems with that approach too.

It seems like there are other crimes at work here that can be used to work the human trafficking angle, but that won't necessarily be the case across the board.

@18: Of course, it's an emotion people (including me) never want to admit they want, but nevertheless are glad to receive.

OK. My perspective is distorted.
I am a retired Union man.
Son of a Union mother. Union father. Union grandmother, sister, brother.
But it is dispiriting that every generation has to re-learn the basic principle of collective action.
When you guys get really tired of getting fucked over and decide you want to remedy the situation, come and talk to us.

Fuck you raindrop. You never shared your own experiences beyond, “it’s complicated,” yet always eager to make fun of others based on the information they provide in good faith.

@21 You rewrite the prostitution laws just like we rewrote the cannabis laws. Just regulate it and tax it. There would still be people committing crimes (just as there are with weed) but not nearly as much. There are still secondary crimes committed surrounding weed, but my guess is the number of armed robberies and other thefts have gone way down. Those wanting to pay for sex would have a legal outlet, just like those that buy legal weed. The main reason guys go to massage parlors is because it is so easy. It is way easier than finding an escort, and you are much less likely to be busted than picking up a street walker.

We can't get rid of exploitation or slavery, but that is true of many fields (domestic work, babysitting, textile work, fishing, etc.). The best we can do is legalize it, regulate it, and then go after those that exploit others by working with the vast majority of people in the field that aren't assholes, and coming down hard on the ones that are.

Xina, raindrop, CMD et.al,

Tension creates progress. The earliest iterations of the Civil Rights Movement (Marcus Garvey, WEB Dubois) were not as successful as they became in the 1960's due to a lack of opposing camps striving for the same political outcome. The success came when MLK coincided with Malcolm X. While the two men- and the movements they led- could not have been more different, they wanted the same outcome, and they got it because they offered room in the political conversation for both the pacifist (MLK) and the militant (Malcolm X).

We didn't win Marriage Equality under the HRC's banner alone- it also took more radical groups such as Get Equal to offer a space for those radical voices to get all the way across the line.

This is why Seattle at this exact moment has so much potential. Whether you are a progressive motivated primarily by eliminating bigotry against women, LGBT, POC, and immigrants, or you see the root of the problem as an economic system that creates that bigotry as a byproduct of capitalism, the fact that Socialist Alternative and the DSA coincide with liberal Democrats in one city at one time creates the potential for real progress in a Leftward direction that could not have existed in prior timepoints of Seattle history, such as the 1990's when Mark Sidran represented enough of the population's opinion to get into elected office.

Amazon, in an odd way, has brought this about. They have pushed the liberal democrats to expand transit, something they dragged their feet over for decades prior, and they pissed enough anticapitalists off to the point where they voted for Sawant and began to organize into cohesive, effective blocs. Prior to their market dominance, the most the Left could do was Occupy Seattle (didn't result in any substantive change, just gave us all a chance to blow off steam). A few Black Bloc anarchists throwing a brick through a window at Westlake didn't change material conditions for anyone. After Amazon, the City's anticapitalist Left grew up, took off the stupid bandanas, and got to work.

As for the liberals, they began to realize the free market wasn't the solution to everything, and that homeless people were actually human beings and not mere nuisances. remember Cap Hill in the 1990's? Remember the homeless heroin addicts in front of the QFC and how everyone treated them like they were a herpes blister? Politicians used to all go around saying they were The Problem, and the solution was gentrification, development, higher rents to push out the marginal people. Now they don't say that stuff anymore. Can't get elected that way. Why? Because we let Amazon gentrify and develop the fuck out of Seattle, and The Problem got worse, so that method clearly doesn't work in anyone's eyes anymore.

So weirdly enough, Amazon did some good in Seattle: the good thing it did was it pissed everyone off by showing them the Chamber of Commerce is full of shit and the free market doesn't fix anything, its organization of the ordinary folks that gets the job done, not Captains of Industry like Bezos.

I do so enjoy the misogyny in the PM version.

@27 "The earliest iterations of the Civil Rights Movement (Marcus Garvey, WEB Dubois) were not as successful as they became in the 1960's due to a lack of opposing camps striving for the same political outcome. The success came when MLK coincided with Malcolm X. While the two men- and the movements they led- could not have been more different, they wanted the same outcome, and they got it because they offered room in the political conversation for both the pacifist (MLK) and the militant (Malcolm X)."

Suppose for a moment, you pulled up the Wikipedia entry for W. E. B. Du Bois and scrolled down to the section "Pan-Africanism and Marcus Garvey" and read it; how would you contextualize one of them calling the other the "most dangerous enemy of the Negro race in America and the world" with your assertion above?

It may be that you have an amazing and deep command of this history, have written copiously and illuminatingly about it elsewhere and I simply missed it, but the above take is so bad that you should feel terrible for presenting it and apologize to anyone who may have encountered it.

@21 "Kraft and his co-defendants must have had some kind of an inkling what was going on with these women but turned a blind eye to it because they were horny."

Take a look at pictures of that strip mall massage parlor and remind yourself that Robert Kraft has something like 6.6 billion dollars in assets. Even as notoriously cheap as he is, try to tell me that he wasn't there specifically for the sex trafficking experience.

The Amazon employee's firing may or may not have been justified and I'm not concerned enough to read the article or research it further. Though I have worked a number of customer service jobs over the years and the notion that a company operating a call center wouldn't closely monitor the time an employee is spending in the bathroom (or otherwise not logged in to their phone) is absurd.

@23: I'm listening.

@23 kallipugos: You and Knat (@32) got my attention.

@30 Maybe that's where my squicky feeling comes from. Because what you're implying is that these guys in particular were getting off on knowing that they had most if not all of the power in the situation, and the women had none at all.

Mind you, I've got nothing against negotiated power exchanges with appropriate safeguards (safe words, good reputations, perhaps the presence of a minder). But there's a sizeable subset of encounters where the client gets off on the power imbalance. Even if he doesn't physically harm the escort, that's still a psychologically damaging situation to be put in.

I mentioned I did this sort of work briefly when I was much younger. Most of my clients were perfectly nice and simply didn't want the bother of having to go through the process of finding someone to hook up with. Some claimed to be married, and so were presumably buying discretion along with ease. None of those clients bothered me in the slightest.

But one, I remember, wanted to watch me have unprotected sex with another escort who was HIV+ (and I was still HIV- at the time). Dog only knows how that was getting him off, but I suspect at least in part it was a power trip. I had the ability to say no. I worry about other sex workers being put into a similar positions and not having that power.

Wow, someone is freakishly obsessed with xina.

@38, I know, right?

@38 -- perhaps it's the xina in them, yearning to be set free.

30/LouChe: "Take a look at pictures of that strip mall massage parlor and remind yourself that Robert Kraft has something like 6.6 billion dollars in assets. Even as notoriously cheap as he is, try to tell me that he wasn't there specifically for the sex trafficking experience."

I knew that Kraft is very wealthy. I didn't know that he is notoriously cheap. Seems to me there are three reasons why he had sex with women at this massage parlor instead of some high-priced escort (who would, I'd think, more likely be doing it of her own accord): cheapness, stupidity and the reason you mentioned: he actually wanted the sex trafficking experience. I tend to think that final reason is the most likely one, but it also might have been an all-three-reasons combo platter.

I remember wondering the same thing when Hugh Grant got caught with that prostitute in a car back in 1995. He obviously could've afforded an escort, something more discreet. So while cheapness and stupidity may have played roles, he likely wanted the thrill of picking a woman up on the street.

@37 Ultimately, I think that the worst parts of prostitution are currently due to the fact that it conducted as an illegal activity.

I don't think we'll be able to protect plucky entrepreneurs or hapless victims until we've addressed this.

Unfortunately, while I believe that legalization and regulation will be a huge step forward, we'd quickly find that we have some serious cultural, political and labor issues in this country that will leave plenty of justifiable squick and deep concerns around prostitution here.

Slog is no place for xinaphobia.

I'm sure there are countless other pieces on this issue but this is one that happened to pop up when I did a search:

Is Legalizing Prostitution the Best Way to Tackle Sex Trafficking?
https://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2016/02/is-legalizing-prostitution-the-best-way-to-tackle-sex-trafficking/470763/

That article, in turn, has a link to a piece by Elizabeth Nolan Brown in Reason:

The War on Sex Trafficking Is the New War on Drugs
http://reason.com/archives/2015/09/30/the-war-on-sex-trafficking-is

@43 ha. clever.

@39 xina ~ Ha!
@43: I know, right?
@46 xina: Keep rocking the house!

@47

I agree, xina rocks!

xina, you bring passion, experience, and insight in your comments. I read and enjoy them without usually saying anything, but I should say something, since you get all sorts of crap from the incels, the white nationalists, the rape apologists, and men's rights activists who come by here. But you are a badass!

Sounds like we've the whole Nigerian royal family with us on this thread, folks. "Behold, the herpes is gone." No thanks.

How does one cure PENIS ENGAGEMENT? Why would want to cure it?

@51: You have obviously never had an overly engaged penis.

@24:

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