90% of the plastic in the oceans comes from 10 rivers. 8 in Asia, two in Africa. (Scientific American, February 1, 2018)

But yeah, ban plastic bags in Seattle. The virtue signaling is priceless.

Re: Death Penalty

There's Nuthin' a right-to-Lifer likes more than
inflicting Pain on those deemed 'deserving.'

Gotta wonder where their Jesus'd come down on this "christian" Sharia Law -- by GAWD, make 'em PAY, big time!

Thumbs up, or down, Big Guy?

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"The virtue signaling is priceless."

Tell that, to the Whale.
When tip-top foodchainers start turning up Dead
You KNOW you gotta Problem.

Say, that reminds me -- where the fuck are WE on the food chain?

Oh, and, are YOU Round-UP Ready™?

@1 that’s how it works. The societies that can afford a shift to a system do it first. That’s how you create a tipping point and make it economically feasible for Asia and Africa to change. It’s literally how every major social or technological change in history has started.

But you can invest in more false dichotomy logical fallacies if you want. But eventually you’ll be choking on plastic, too.

@1 "A recent study estimates that more than a quarter of all that waste could be pouring in from just 10 rivers, eight of them in Asia"

Source: Scientific America, Prachi Patel, February 1, 2018

One quarter = 25%

"Virtue Signaling" is a phrase that bores made up to excuse their boorish behavior. You want a plastic bag? You can have a plastic bag. Just pay the nickel.

But while we're on the topic, why isn't gun fetishization ever referred to as virtue signaling? Or loud demonstrations of one's supposed faith considered virtue signaling?

@1 PS.

Where is all that plastic MANUFACTURERED?

Exxon Mobil. Global sales: $236 billion.
BASF. Global sales: $63.7 billion.
ENI. Global sales: $61.6 billion.
INEOS. Global sales: $60 billion.
Dow Chemical. Global sales: $49 billion.
Lyondell Basell. Global sales: $33 billion.
SABIC. Global sales: $35.4 billion.

These are mostly US and European companies (SABIC is Saudi, I believe). Not African or Asian.

So. Crafting regulations on plastic in the country’s of manufacturing origin or where the corporations exist makes sense. Right? Right.

@5 -- are you one of them (April!) Fools what thinks 'facts matter'?
Stay. Away. from the FOX.

jk! Thanks for the facts-check!

You can ALWAYS trust a Neocon
to lie.

@6 Would you prefer "moral primping"?

"why isn't gun fetishization ever referred to as virtue signaling? Or loud demonstrations of one's supposed faith considered virtue signaling?"

Because the Left have taken over the business of moral hectoring.

Rev Swaggart, while I concede that there is such a thing as a liberal moral scold, they have nothing on the GOP/Religious Right/Conservative movement which wants to control women's reproductive choices (not just abortion but all forms of birth control), define marriage to the supposed standards of a book of Bronze Age fairy tales, gut the education system, and generally defend a social system that has bought us to the point of collapse.

@9 Yes, facts. From the actual study:

"....the top-ten rivers with the highest loads contribute ~90% of the total river-driven plastic inputs into the sea"

https://www.ufz.de/export/data/2/149396_EGU_2017_Schmidt.pdf

@12 So having to pay for your own rubbers is too hard?

@14: I've said it before and I'll say it again, watching trolls like you flailing around tryyyyyying to insult people I actually know in real life is endlessly amusing.

@13 and another one post troll fails reading comprehension. Again.

Well according to the Hemholtz study which you only cited one part of - the river study pdf abstract - about 12 million tons of plastic end up in the ocean. Of that 12 million tons 1.15-2.41 million tons is delivered by rivers. So, though of the rivers that carry plastic into the ocean 90% of the material delivered is from the worlds major rivers which are a located in Asia and Africa, true. Plastic from land fills blows into rivers. And ends up in the ocean. That’s not how the majority of plastic gets there. But there doesn’t appear to be an accurate account for the rest other than just wind and dumping, I guess. It’s hard to track the data. At least I can’t find it.

And, again, the kicker is we in the US and Europe ship our landfill to... guess where?

Go on. Guess.

We used to ship 111 MILLION tons of plastic trash a god damn year to, ta da, China!

Used to. Because now the banned it. But Africa is probably gonna take up that slack.

So not only do American and EU corporations manufacturer most of the plastic that gets in the ocean a huge amount in Asia and Africa is STILL from the US and the EU.

Therefore it makes perfect sense to regulate use of plastic in the US.

So. Your fallacy is shot down yet again.

14 dear, I hope you did some warm-ups before attempting that stretch. You could seriously injure yourself, and that adds to insurance premiums for all of us.

But since you bought it up, I'll just quietly murmur that it is very much in society's interests, from a public health and financial aspect - to prevent both venereal diseases and unwanted pregnancies. It's also in our best interest to discourage the use of single-use plastics. That is self-evident to most people, but not all of us had parents who cared about their children's education of life prospects. But we must learn to pull ourselves up by our bootstraps, mustn't we?

White Castle has had Impossible Burgers for awhile now.

@1 Psst, here's a secret just for you: rivers flow out to the seas, where there are these things called waves, wind and ocean currents that, like, carry things around the oceans. If you hadn't been out during all those science classes in high school you'd been one of the chosen who were given this secret knowledge! But it's not too late, enjoy and you're welcome.

The U.S has a bigger environmental footprint than almost all of the other countries combined! We create a shit ton more plastic garbage than any other country in the world, and no poor country in Asia or Africa that has to dump their garbage into rivers can afford single-use plastics like grocery bags and plastic foodware. They are much better than us in reusing and recycling everything, and they buy and use much fewer plastic crap. Our idea of recycling is 'donating' our used crap to Africa and shipping our garbage and recycling to China and poor countries! If we use less plastics, there will be less dumped into rivers and oceans killing and choking sealife, and poisoning the fish we all end up eating!

@20 only if it's a non-human fetus it has value. If it's human flush it down the toilet up until labor at this time

shoutyourabortion

Why Plans to Turn America’s Rust Belt into a New Plastics Belt Are Bad News for the Climate

The petrochemical industry anticipates spending a total of over $200 billion on factories, pipelines, and other infrastructure in the U.S. that will rely on shale gas, the American Chemistry Council announced in September. Construction is already underway at many sites.

This building spree would dramatically expand the Gulf Coast’s petrochemical corridor (known locally as “Cancer Alley”) — and establish a new plastics and petrochemical belt across states like Ohio, Pennsylvania, and West Virginia.

If those projects are completed, analysts predict the U.S. would flip from one of the world’s highest-cost producers of plastics and chemicals to one of the cheapest, using raw materials and energy from fracked gas wells in states like Texas, West Virginia, and Pennsylvania.

https://www.desmogblog.com/2018/10/28/petrochemical-industry-america-rust-belt-plastics-fracking-climate

If execution shouldn't be painless does that mean it should be painful? Are we heading back toward the days of death by crucifixion, quartering, etc.?

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Rumor has it Thrumpfy and his crime fambly are even now working on Plans to allow bidders first rites on not only the Form of execution, but the executionings, as well. Minimum bids are reported to start at one million dollars, with Mega donors to his "presidential" re-election campaign guaranteed first shots. So to speak..

The Thrumpf Fambily (Thrumpf KKKrime Fambly they call 'em, but I won't do that here) has also secured all pay-per-view rites.

It's GOOD to be Prez!
Or at least related.

@23:

And you have a citation for all of these human fetuses being flushed down toilets every year? Is this an actual problem or did you just get the short straw in the "what non-problems are we going to concern troll about today?" contest this morning?

The poisoned whale highlights a very serious developing problem with plastic waste now that China is no longer accepting used plastic for recycling.
Our landfills should not be forced to accept all of our recyclable plastic, they are becoming maxed out already.
We absolutely have to a) develop our own domestic plastic recycling industry and b) limit the amount of plastic generated at product design, packaging and point-of-purchase.

@29 the petrochemical industry has a message for you: "Shut up and eat your plastic, we are sure it's good for you .. and our wallet".

Seriously, if you want to limit plastic production you are going to have to convince big banks and other wall street investors to stop investing in more plastic production, Good luck with that. While you 're at it tell them to shut off the free money spigot they have extended the fracking industry for the past decade during which this sector as a whole has not made a penny in profit. The fracking sector is currently in the hole for ~$300 billion, they have harvested the sweet spots and now have to keep drilling (more cost) to keep the juice flowing.

So, the picture to keep in mind is of a bankrupt fracking sector that destroys the environment, that is very likely worse than burning coal for climate as suggested by the massive increase in atmospheric methane since fracking began in earnest, and will contribute to expanding plastic production to unseen level, and poison the entire planet with microplastic in the process. How fucked up is that?

Finances of Fracking: Shale Industry Drills More Debt Than Profit
https://www.desmogblog.com/finances-fracking-shale-industry-drills-more-debt-profit

@27

The same source as all of their data. I'm sure they know the source very well as their head is clearly plunged into it all the time.

Abort all you want. You can always have another, and if not you can adopt. There's no shortage of unwanted children.