It was no Soprano's
I personally find comparing what Dany did to Kings Landing to what we HAD TO DO to end WWII highly offensive. Kings Landing had surrendered and opened the gates. She attacked defenseless civilians without cause or warning. We dropped leaflets and warned the public that we were going to bomb them, and then we warned them a second time. Not the same thing in the least.
MVP of the series has got to be Bronn.
The guy started as an unknown commoner, and ended as a knight, lord of Highgarden, one of the richest and greatest castles in the realm, the master of coin on the small council, and got through it without having to fight in either the white walker battle or the King's Landing battle.
They should retire his jersey.
I, for one, would like to finally hear more about the time Tyrion went to a brothel with a jack-ass and a honeycomb.
So, basically, Hillary really is a fascist (a freakin literal dragon lady in that one image), and what the Democratic Party needs most now is...Joe Biden. When did the GOT writers get kidnapped and replaced by Jonah Goldberg and some washed up hack from Marty Peretz's New Republic?
Looking forward to the four spinoff series: Arya's Explorations, Jon's Scottish Adventures Beyond The Wall, Grey Worm's Return, and Hot Pie's Kitchen
I'll say this for the Russian trolls-- nothing will ever be too much of a stretch for them.
2: Civilians had no power over whether we bombed Japanese cities or not. The fliers you're talking about were about as useful as farts for a civilian population living under military rule in cities largely build of wood. The offensive idea here is that the civilians in Japan "had a chance" and somehow refused it. What exactly was the average Japanese person supposed to do? Dig a hole in the ground? It's like the people who claim that nuking Japanese cities was perfectly fine because, hey, the emperor could of surrendered. As if the actions of the military leaders were somehow the responsibility of average people. We can argue about whether or not our fire bombings and nuclear attacks on Japanese cities were necessary (they were expedient and probably saved lives in the long run), but they are absolutely comparable to what Dragonlady did. Cersei was effectively Hirohito, and when she refused to stand down, Dany cropped a nuke on the city.
2: Civilians had no power over whether we bombed Japanese cities or not. The fliers you're talking about were about as useful as farts for a civilian population living under military rule in cities largely built of wood. The offensive idea here is that the civilians in Japan "had a chance" and somehow refused it. What exactly was the average Japanese person supposed to do? Dig a hole in the ground? It's like the people who claim that nuking Japanese cities was perfectly fine because, hey, the emperor could of surrendered. As if the actions of the military leaders were somehow the responsibility of average people. We can argue about whether or not our fire bombings and nuclear attacks on Japanese cities were necessary (they were expedient and probably saved lives in the long run), but they are absolutely comparable to what Dragonlady did. Cersei was effectively Hirohito, and when she refused to stand down, Dany dropped a nuke on the city. It's a great analogy.
"I’m not convinced that what Daenerys did to King’s Landing earns her an immediate death sentence. "
I don't think it did. I think it was during her Triumph Of The Will speech where she started talking about 'liberating' (did you see her airquotes) Winterfell.
Bronn was the Hard Man who founded a Great House through desperate acts but what happens when he tries to get his son Herbert to inherit from him https://youtu.be/aNaXdLWt17A
So Jon becomes a wildling right? He said forget that nightwatch crap.
@12 that's what it looked like to me. I figure he will go on, lead a happy life, have lots of kids, and a sequel will be the giant Targaryen army descending on Westeros to take what it has been denied.
@13 Japan had tried to surrender a month or two before the bombs dropped. U.S.A. wanted unconditional surrender but the Japanese insisted on keeping their Emperor.
Furthermore, dropping those bombs is not what led them to finally surrender unconditionally. The Soviets arriving to the west and storming Mongolia through Korea and preparing to launch a land invasion on the mainland themselves is what did it.
13: It's not a 1:1 analogy and context matters but it's not ignorant of history in any way, shape or form to compare sacrificing thousands of civilians in firestorms to meet military and political objectives. Fundamentally it's ends that are different. The US's ends were destroying the capacity of an expansionist imperialist state to wage war. For Dragonlady, it was eliminating resistance to her totalitarian regime. In that sense there is no comparison at all. But in terms of means it's uncomfortably comparable. When it comes to conduct in WWII, Anericans have a serious problem with means and ends.
It's also worth noting that the War Department seriously considered Japanese targets of no military significance at all to show we meant business (Kyoto for example), attacks that would if been purely intended to crush morale. Thankfully, Stimson hemmed such plans in.
Love the Triumph of the Will reference. How awesome would it have been if the unsullied has marched through the town to the Red Keep where Dany gave her “today Poland, tomorrow the world” speech
"Once I walked into a brothel with a jackass and a honeycomb. The madame asked me why of course, so I told her I had found a genie in the lamp that granted me three wishes. For the first, I wished to be wed to the finest ass in the land, so I was given this one. I then asked for a palace fit for a queen, hence the honeycomb. For my third wish, I desired a cock that swung down past my knees."
"Well, that one is not so bad!" the madame exclaimed.
"That's what you think, I used to be six feet tall!"
@20: Is that from the books? It's hilarious! Thank you.
As for the rest of you I'm pretty sure the authors of this post are sitting around laughing in their beer about how this thread is using a snarky one off about a fairy tale to re-litigation of the end of the war in the Pacific. :)
@21: No, the joke is never finished, only started (and told by a dwarf), which is kind of the running gag. I did my best, but really it is just an adaptation of a pretty common one.
As for your second point, when a comment thread is working properly, that is exactly what we should hope happens. Love that stuff. Even got that one guy actually talking instead of just screeching about his Nazi fantasies.
@22: My compliments, that was a good joke. :)
You're right about thread drift; it can be awesome. Loooooooooong ago Salon had a whole section devoted to different message boards on all sorts of topics that ran into the thousands of comments. I think one of the best examples happened on a board about fellatio that turned into a passionate discussion of the poetry of William Butler Yeats.
Suzette must be fucking retarded to take that position. Kings Landing had surrendered. The war was won. All the Lannister forces had thrown down their arms. Then Daenerys decided to burn half a million people to death because the (already dead) Queen Cersei beheaded her BFF.
Meanwhile, Japan started a war by killing 2500 of our people without warning. We had soundly beaten them back island by island, but instead of surrendering, they were prepared to lose another couple million people repelling our invasion. So, we dropped two bombs WITH warning that flattened two cities and their inhabitants, but that on balance saved at least five times the number of lives that would have been lost with another Normandy.
As a grandson of someone who would have been killed during that invasion, Suzette can fuck directly off.
Comments are closed.
Commenting on this item is available only to members of the site. You can sign in here or create an account here.