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A real quote from Disney: "Every single one of these people I talked to were saying, ‘I don’t know how I can maintain this face of joy and warmth when I have to go home and forage for food in other people’s garbage.'"

She's fucking Brilliant
but WILL she make a Disney Movieℱ
showing America what's in store for her when
Google fb Amazon Disney/ABC Walmart
et al own the whole fucking Planet?

Take a STAND, Grrrrl.
You HAVE the bucks.

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@2: Agreed. He'll be out of office in a year and a half anyway provided the Dems nominate Biden.

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@3 Biden is Clinton 2.0. Corporatist warmongers have little chance against Trump's demagoguery. Lack of voter turnout for their 1990's neoliberal world view is likely to do them in.

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Speaking of impeachable offenses (other than lying to Congress about a Consensual sex act), trumpfy paid off a porn star, and a Playboy Bunny, thru trumpfy's Personal Fixer, Micheal Cohen (who's in fucking Prison for having done so) so's he could get himself elected. That one's pretty fucking Impeachable.

Get his Inheritence shenanigans into public view as well (word has it, he failed to pay the going rate on nearly HALF A BILLION of his daddy's money [trumpfy's grandpappy had a himself brothel, right here in Seatown in the olden days!] ) and get Individual One to testify -- on the Stand -- that he had nothing to do with that.

Hell, everyone Knows trumpfy'll never take the Stand -- poor basterd couldn't tell The Truth even if it'd help save his ass. Which, in this case, it definitely would NOT.

@3 -- Joe Biden!

That's sure to stimulate / bring out the Youth Vote.

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Aww, listen to our little armchair know-it-alls

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@g7 -- 'Prove beyond a reasonable doubt'? Fuck that -- let's get all that Incriminating Testimony on National Teevee -- and let we, the Citizenry see what trumpfy. et al, have been Up To.

If there's enough Evidence,
let the Nation fucking DECIDE.

We won't get any fucking evidence through
Hope. Trumpfy just won't Allow it.

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@5: At this early stage, we can only be guess of what's plausible given the polls and current punditry. Biden is comfort food to an exhausted nation that might not have the stomach for more progressive entrées.

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"Beyond a reasonable doubt" is not the standard of proof in a federal impeachment trial, never mind any kind of requirement to serve articles of impeachment, which requires only a simple majority vote in the House.

Once articles of impeachment are passed, there is no standard of evidence or burden of proof in a federal impeachment trial. All the constitution says is that the Chief Justice presides (for a presidential impeachment), and conviction requires concurrence of 2/3 of the Senate with any verdict rendered. The only sentence that can be rendered is removal from office. There's no legal precedent to follow, as no president has ever been removed by impeachment.

In short, it's a purely political process. And it's constitutionally mandated as such, which makes it a bit of an odd duck in American jurisprudence.

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Joe Biden may talk and grope a big game, but in light of his other recent statements, all I can say is push ups or shut up.

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Do we all remember how Hillary focused on Trump and how awful he would be and what a bad guy he is and how she lost?
I hate Trump as much as the next person but impeachment isn't the answer at this point. Until and unless we have incontrovertible evidence of an actual crime (sorry, racist tweets ain't a crime), then we need to stop fueling his dumpster fire and ITMFA (that's IGNORE the motherfucker already). He lives on attention. He fucking thrives on it and all my fellow progressives who are laser focused on him and his shitty antics are doing nothing but giving him the attention he desperately needs to stay relevant.
Did you know that yesterday the House was going to pass legislation to make the minimum wage $15/hour? No? That's cause the Dems continued talking about impeachment (which will do nothing but rally his base) and keeping the racist tweets (which his base love because they're racists too) in the news.
Stop letting him be the news. Stop feeding his fire. Condemn the words/action/idiocy and then move the fuck on so we can elect someone new (please God, not Biden).

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It's already painfully clear that the Dems are on a track to blow it and Trump will have a second term. Please prove me wrong.

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Balance the budget? Lol, Republicans are still trying to fly that flag?

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Impeachment is exactly what should be happening, regardless of whether or not Trump is actually removed from office. Placing partisan election concerns over the rule of law and the constitution is almost as bad as Trump himself. I'm not so partisan that I'm going to place my faith in the election of a Democratic president to solve the fundamental problems festering in the executive branch. Yes, I want a Democrat to win, but I also want to tell the world that Trump and Trumpism, not to mention the increasingly powerful imperial presidency itself, are not acceptable (in the future even Dems might be pulling this level of bullshit). Voting him out of office and then pretending all this shit didn't happen isn't going to do that. Making it clear that he's unfit for the office, even at the risk of failure, it's not an election strategy. It's doing one's duty as an elected official.

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Clinton was impeached and it achieved nothing. If anything, it backfired -- Republicans were seen as extremists and interested in political gain, not passing legislation that would help the country. Impeaching Trump would do the same thing. There is no way a Republican Senate is going to remove him -- there just isn't enough evidence.

This has been a bad week for the country, but a great week for Pelosi and the Democrats. I can't seem to link to a comment I made earlier in the week (on the fivethirtyeight blog) so I'll repeat some of it here:

"I think the big shift for Pelosi is that she has never had a vocal, powerful group saying that she is too far to the right." said Perry Bacon Jr.

Right, and this is wonderful news for Pelosi, and the Democratic Party. For years the Democrats have had trouble convincing the general population that they are the centrist, reasonable party, despite all the evidence. They elected two centrists (Bill Clinton and Barack Obama) and still they were viewed as being left wing. Both men favored fiscal responsibility (balancing the budget and not spending a lot of money, even when mainstream economists said we should). One tried and the other succeeded in passing legislation that was originally proposed by Richard Nixon, and first implemented by Mitt Romney. Yet they were still viewed as being too far to the left. Nancy Pelosi, especially, was viewed as being too far to the left (a Volvo driving, latte drinking, sushi eating lesbian from San Fransisco). She was the boogeyman of every house race (it isn't about local man Jones -- it doesn't matter if he is a crook -- the main thing is that we don't want Pelosi in charge).

Now that has exploded, all in one week. My guess is most people didn't follow what happened last week. But most of those that did would be hard pressed to name all four members of "the squad". What they would tell you is that:

1) Nancy Pelosi got into yet another tiff with the far left wing of her party. This conflict has been simmering for quite some time, as they want to impeach the president, but she doesn't.

2) The president said some racist things about those far left members.

3) Nancy Pelosi rebuked the remarks, and lead efforts criticizing the president (who has a big reputation for saying things like this).

This is all great for her and the party. She may be many things (old, female) but she certainly isn't a boogeyman.

It is not that different than what the Republicans did not too long ago. They have had Tea Party Republicans running in safe districts. While they overplayed their card at times, this made extreme right establishment leaders seem reasonable. It really wasn't until they actually got a chance to implement the more extreme parts of their legislative agenda (get rid of Social Security or Obamacare) that they paid the price. Until the Democrats actually get close to passing something significantly radical (e. g. getting rid of private insurance) all of this helps them.

It would be stupid to fuck it all up by starting impeachment hearings. Investigate, yes. Impeach, no. Give Pelosi some credit for knowing her politics.

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Some people care about the rule of law, the constitution, and preserving some basic standards in governance more about their party winning because they understand that when a president or elected party abuses their power and gets always with it, a precedent is set, and future people in the same position will have more leeway to abuse their office. Simply electing a Democratic president and Congress, while important, isn't going to solve that problem. In fact, without an impeachment, before or after the election, it may make Trump's presidential style the accepted norm in American politics.

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Honestly, the beast Trump has awakened isn't going to just go away. Any Democrat that wins the presidency is going to be fighting a rearguard action from Day 1.

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@19 agreed on the impeachment. Although I dont know if this was a win for Pelosi, Jake Tapper has a bunch of quotes from anon Dem Reps and this one stuck out to me:

"The president won this one, what the president has done is politically brilliant. Pelosi was trying to marginalize these folks (the squad) and the president has now identified the entire party with them"

I didn't see that whole situation as a win for the President but I guess we'll see how it plays out.

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The weird thing about that "Clinton was impeached and achieved nothing" argument is that you can just turn it around and say, "Nixon was impeached and he resigned in disgrace." Simply referring to what happened last time isn't proof of what's going to happen the next time. It reminds me of the obsession people have with McGovern. Just because McGovern got crushed way back in '72 doesn't mean self-described progressive are going to get crushed in every subsequent election. I don't mean to suggest we shouldn't learn from history but we might consider the possibility that another outcome can happen.

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@19 You appear to have the same goal as Trump because calling leftwing progressives the far left has the purpose of depicting them and their program as extremists. You are in fact spewing rightwing propaganda. To be clear, people like Sawant are on the far left but the Squad, being for a mixed economy and what not are merely the left (the real one, not the neoliberal "center" masquerading as such)

@23 especially since it is also a gross overstatement to say it achieved nothing since this circus provided cover for Democrats and Republicans colluding to finish deregulating financial institutions that brought the financial crash of 2007-08. To boot Republicans didn't pay any political price, in fact they went on to steal the 2000 elections while Democrats stood by.

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@19: "achieved nothing"? they impeached Clinton and then won the presidency and both houses of congress in 2000.

I hope the Dems achieve a similar nothing.

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This just in from the NYT:

“'The inescapable conclusion from all of the [BRAND SPAKING NEW] public materials available now is that there was ample evidence to charge Donald Trump with the same criminal election law violations for which Michael Cohen pled guilty,' Representative Adam Schiff, the California Democrat who chairs the House Intelligence Committee, said in a statement."

Bitch be goin' Down?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/18/nyregion/stormy-daniels-michael-cohen-documents.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

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SPANKING -- apologies


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