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Epstein is faking it. He desperately wants out of jail.

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Affirmative action = the bigotry of low expectations.

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2: Guilty of being a moron.

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@4 Well maybe that would give him an advantage under the new law?

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Like many people I am liberal on many things, but not on others. I support diversity, I support assisting low income minorities who have been persecuted in our society. I do not support blanket affirmative action that I admit would help many but because in some cases it would allow one student to get into college based on race over another student even if their family are multi-millionaires and they had lower test scores. That is not social justice. The ends do not justify the means.
Martin Luther King did not say, "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the content of their character, but by the color of their skin"
There are other ways to support diversity than forcing children to bus miles away from the school walking distance from their house or setting racial quotas for colleges and workplaces.

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I guess the disproportionate percentage of Asians getting in UW (24.5% of students vs. 8.1% of WA population) will get screwed.

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@1
Short eyes, man. Look it up. Even felons don't go for that shit.

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@6:

Well, if/when the late Rev. King's dream becomes an actual reality, maybe THEN we can have that debate...

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Institutional racism? Really? Then how come African immigrant students in Seattle score so high? Makes me think culture might be the problem. A culture of low expectations perpetuated by affirmative action.

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And to the kitty abuser; when Nathalie gets through whipping your ass then I'll take over.

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12: You already had a ban on affirmative action. Can you speak to what you think was accomplished by that other than falling minority tuition rates?

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13: You don't understand enough about the topic to speak to it. Your post is so fraught with weird de-contextualized generalization that it's effectively meaningless.

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Everyone thinks Clinton is responsible for Epstein because we know trump sent Eric to get it done but he immediately got his head stuck in a decorative popcorn tin and blew the job.

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19: In some cases, yes, and they're being used as stooges by white supremacists who don't give a shit about them and see them as a means to an end. There's a reason why the law firms who are representing them in, say, the Harvard case, are conservatives. They found a convenient way to drive a wedge between different ethnic/racial groups to advance their plan to keep "non-model" minorities out of higher education.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson says that he got to go to college due to affirmative action. That sounds pretty good to me.

As for kids with better grades and higher test scores somehow "losing out" I'll ask this:
What exactly are they losing?
If they have good grades and good test scores they will get into college. It might not be the College of their choice, but lots of kids with good grades and good test scores don't get into the College of their choice already.
No one is missing out on a college at education because of affirmative action.

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@19 "It is Asian groups that are leading this?referendum." Are you saying the College Republicans is an Asian group? What have they been doing to look white in pictures?

Asians will be fine, more blacks and brown people getting into college will not hurt their college attendance rates, although it might hurt the percentage of rich white kids with low qualifications.

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In the end of the day the real underlying belief motivating must of the anti-affirmative-action movement is that certain races are either genetically or culturally inferior. Black people are failing because they're black people or because of their "black culture" rather than longstanding segregation, discrimination and lack of intergenerational wealth. Because they believe that everything is already equal in society, or at least like to present that belief, if a minority population is failing to achieve anything without a hand up they must be inferior. There is a basic faith among a lot of these people that black people and other low-performing minorities are the problem, which is essentially a racist belief unsupported by the facts. They point at test scores instead of social context, calling symptoms causes. And they have the nerve to enlist "model minorities" to support the continued subjugation of ither people. In their worldview white people must be superior and, hey look, test scores prove it. "We don't need context, we have a very narrow set a data collected in a social vacuum!" Context is effectively meaningless.

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The sad part is a lot of these people genuinely believe there's not a racist bone in their body. But then of course they also fully buy into the bizarre fantasy that our society is some kind of egalitarian meritocracy despite reams of information and data that prove otherwise. Again, the underlying idea is that there is something fundamentally wrong with minorities.

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"THEY don't want to lose spots that THEIR children get now, at OUR universities"

Asian groups are THEY. Do tell, WHO are the we that supposingly own the "OUR universities"?

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@8 affirmative action didn't fucking exist when MLK was alive you fucking piece of shit.
He supported policies to support African Americans, that doesn't mean he would support legislation that kicks Asians out of UW because there are too many Asians for the racial quota.

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Yep, white conservative college students are bit players who are being used by cabal of ASIANS to block Affirmative Actions. Because Asians are so much more powerful than any other ethnicity in this country, they are controlling these white kids like puppets, amirite?

Next they'll be telling those poor white kids to 'go home' to Europe!

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@28

Affirmative action has never been used to "kick out" students that already attend a university.

It's almost like you're trying to twist the facts.
I wonder why?

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Several years ago, when there was some talk of Boeing permanently ending production of the 737 and shutting down Renton operations (before Boeing dreamed up the 737 Max), there were a couple of stories in the local media about Renton's leaders planning to market Renton to Airbus as a great US site to build planes (infrastructure in place; skilled and experienced workforce, etc.). Given that Renton is possibly back in the same boat, just wondering if Renton will dust off and update that plan?

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" they're being used as stooges by white supremacists"

Ah yes, those Asians can't think for themselves. Like sheep.

"Black people are failing because they're black people or because of their "black culture" rather than longstanding segregation, discrimination and lack of intergenerational wealth. "

@23 Nigerians are some of the best educated people in the USA and are doing well economically. But then again, they value education, family and hard work.

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@33 Airbus set up manufacturing in Alabama a decade ago already, mainly to avoid unions. Why would they open in the Pac NW?

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@33 Just wondering. I remember the stories. I don't remember when they were reported.

Now, I'm also wondering if one way out of Boeing's current mess (which seems to get worse daily) might be to sell off its commercial airplanes division to Airbus (likely at a discount). I'm not saying that will or should happen, but its easy to imagine that possibility raised at some point in Board meetings. If it did come to pass, it's anybody's guess what that would mean for Boeing's operations in the Puget Sound region.

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24: Thanks for reinforcing my point. You're not a racist, of course, you just revile and stereotype black Americans.

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@36 And where would Airbus, now saddled with the massive costs of its failed A380 program, get the money needed to buy Boeing?

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34: Thanks for reinforcing my point. You're not a racist of course, you just revile and stereotype black Americans.

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" black Americans."

Nigerians aren't black Americans? Damn that's racist.

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34: Not all Asians, just these people. Any yeah, "dupes" isn't the right word for some of this. "Fellow travelers," more like it. And they don't represent any Asian bloc as you feverishly imagine.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/10/harvard-admissions-trial-asian-american-groups-conservative-affirmative-action.html

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40: You know what I meant troll. And unless they're naturalized citizens, Nigerians aren't Americans.

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"And they don't represent any Asian bloc as you feverishly imagine."

Nope, mainly East Asians, Koreans and Chinese Americans, along with South Asians, Indians and Pakistanis. Communities in the US that place high value in education, hard work and a respect for learning along with low single parenthood rates.

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"Nigerians aren't Americans."

Many are naturalized, and nearly all are here legally. That makes them American in my book but obviously not in yours.

But thanks, I'll start calling Mexicans in the USA "Mexicans" from now on.

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43: Don't you have some Identity Europa posters to hang up somewhere you racist turd?

Come on, we know what you believe already.

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As for minority kids somehow "losing out" I'll ask this:
What exactly are they losing?
If they have good grades and good test scores they will get into college. It might not be the College of their choice, but lots of kids with good grades and good test scores don't get into the College of their choice already.
No one will miss out on a college at education because of ending affirmative action.

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44: Can't you even troll well enough to accurately quote what I said you dingbat?

Never mind, if the slog isn't going to moderate your diarrhea it's not my job to do it.

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@28 -- Just how lazy are you? Seriously, you wrote:

"affirmative action didn't fucking exist when MLK was alive you fucking piece of shit."

Yet even a cursory search on affirmative action leads to this:

[On March 6, 1961 President John F. Kennedy issued Executive Order 10925, which included a provision that government contractors "take affirmative action to ensure that applicants are employed, and employees are treated during employment, without regard to their race, creed, color, or national origin." The intent of this executive order was to affirm the government's commitment to equal opportunity for all qualified persons, and to take positive action to strengthen efforts to realize true equal opportunity for all. ]

Or how about the idea that lead to your obviously false statement. Did Dr. King support affirmative action? Hold on, let me search my encyclopedia, wait ... oh yeah, there is a fucking Internet: https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1996-08-18-op-35403-story.html

It is almost like you don't understand the basics of the subject, and are too lazy to look up the history, let alone understand the purpose of efficacy of it.

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" Don't you have some Identity Europa posters to hang up somewhere you racist turd?"

Kind of tough when I think Nigerian and Ghanaian immigrants are what this country really needs more of, people who are proof positive that we live in a meritocracy.

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Only in Seattle. Leftists facing reality...

ā€˜Alarmingā€™ new test-score gap discovered in Seattle schools'
Seattle Times

"African-American students whose primary language is English perform significantly worse in math and reading than black students who speak another language at home ā€” typically immigrants or refugees ā€” according to new numbers released by Seattle Public Schools.

District officials, who presented the finding at a recent community meeting at Rainier Beach High School, noted the results come with caveats, but called the potential trend troubling and pledged to study what might be causing it."

Yes, troubling indeed.

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Here is the Dec 2011 article our cowardly dipshit troll is quoting @50 to support his racist ideas.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/alarming-new-test-score-gap-discovered-in-seattle-schools/

If you read the whole thing, you'll see that it refutes the troll's simplistic conclusions.

Also, some reading on MLK:

https://fair.org/extra/the-right-has-a-dream/

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@46

When affirmative action programs end fewer African-American and Latino students are enrolled in college.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/04/affirmative-action-california-black-hispanic-students.

Why don't you come visit us here in Detroit. Spend an afternoon in a classroom.
The thing is, a lot of these kids are getting type of education they deserve. A lot of those kids have difficulty performing in school when the building is literally falling apart around them.
Some of those kids could benefit from a little bit of help getting into college.

Did you know that most inner city school kids don't have rich parents to bribe them into a spot in college? I know it's probably shocking to you no, but believe me it's true

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@49

"Nigerian and Ghanaian immigrants are what this country really needs more of, people who are proof positive that we live in a meritocracy."

Yeah, nothing quite proves meritocracy like rich people immigrating here and doing well.

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@51

Thanks for the link! I love this line in the article. It seems you, too, suffer from the soft bigotry of low expectations:

"McLaren, a former teacher, believes that black students whose families have been in the U.S. for generations often perform poorly because schools and general societal structures have imposed a culture of low expectations on them dating back to the days of slavery."

Seems democrats have never had a high opinion of African Americans , either when they enslaved them or when they destroyed their families with welfare programs over the past 50 years, or when they ruined urban schools.

"Many of those families [African immigrant families], who often were relatively wealthy [but still poor by US standards] and well-educated in their home countries, have strong social-support systems [no baby mamas] that emphasize education [not 'spoken word poetry'], said Mike Petrilli, the executive vice president of the Thomas B. Fordham Institute, a conservative education think tank based in Washington, D.C."

So yep, culture matters.

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ā€œI would be careful of over-interpreting what this data is actually saying,ā€ he said. ā€œIt is interesting, but I hope people donā€™t draw the wrong conclusions.ā€"

Which of course means the fact that African immigrant families are doing well in our schools and in the US should be ignored because it undermines the political argument that our institutions are somehow "anti-black".

So remember, "wrong conclusion" = "wrong speak" which I'm sure now means "thoughtcrime" in Seattle.

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@53

"The Detroit Public Schools Community District spends more per student than all but eight of the nationā€™s 100 largest school districts, or $14,259. Even with all that money, the district still generated the nationā€™s worst reading scores among low-income students."

Sounds like a failure of city leadership, not a lack of money.

" rich people immigrating here and doing well."

Most African immigrants to this country are not rich by US standards and are not arriving with money. What they are arriving with are solid values and a work ethic. That's all you need in this country.

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@3 You're saying undermining white-nationalists' goofy-ass numerology is a bad thing?

@17 excepting Alice, of course

For the rest of this shitfest...

Does culture matter when it's the culture of rich and powerful people who make hiring decisions and distribute primary school funding and approve loans and rezone cities and make laws and reject academic candidates?

Or are we only supposed to talk about culture when it's the culture of poor people who have no power and don't make any of those decisions?

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@58 I have no problem getting rid of legacy admissions, and admitting rich liberals in Hollywood who pay their way in. Oh that, we can agree!

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@57

Detroit isn't even on the list of the 10 districts in Michigan with the highest per student spending.


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