The tactic is to spew red meat in all directions at the insufferable wing-nuts so as to hopefully gin up votes.
1 - You really are a revolting human being. Call your mom and apologize.

@1:

I guess in that case we should also talk about how they help to subsidize Social Security contributions to the retired, even though they will never see a penny of it themselves, amiright?

Did you know we Blue taxpayers massively subsidize the Red welfare queens that vote for Trump?

As long as there isn't enough getting spread around to the established population, people will do whatever they can to exclude newcomers. Right and wrong have nothing to do with it. We're mammals protecting ourselves and our own.

Wanna change this? Change income and wealth distribution in this country. Bernie and/or Warren or bust on that one.

Actually there have been many studies done showing that undocumented immigrants pay in to our coffers a lot more than they take out in benefits . I'm sure you're smart enough to look them up and do not need us to do it for you! That is if you are truly curious about this fact, and not just dog-whistling.

@6 Oh for fuck sake, dipshit. Nobody (but maybe a few fringe cranks) advocates "unlimited" immigration policy —whatever the fuck that's supposed to even mean.

Even if this stupid straw man you visualize was real (and it's not), everything has limits simply due to sheer physics, geography, bureaucracy and the fact there exists finite populations of people who even WANT to come here.

You realize that people die, right? You realize white people residents of these here united states are not having very many babies past just replacement levels, right? And that our system simply cannot work without growth, right? And that without immigration we are going to see negative population growth. Right?

As for this bullshit about immigrants taking out more in benefits than they contribute to the economy? Bullshit. Total fabricated bullshit.

A 2017 report from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine found immigration “has an overall positive impact on the long-run economic growth in the U.S.”

"First-generation immigrants cost the government more than native-born Americans, according to the report — about $1,600 per person annually. But second generation immigrants are “among the strongest fiscal and economic contributors in the U.S.,” the report found. They contribute about $1,700 per person per year. All other native-born Americans, including third generation immigrants, contribute $1,300 per year on average."

"It’s also important to note that less-educated immigrants tend to work more than people with the same level of education born in the U.S. About half of all U.S.-born Americans with no high school diploma work, compared to about 70 percent of immigrants with the same education level, Giovanni Peri, an economics professor at the University of California"

CITE: The Economic and Fiscal Consequences of Immigration.
https://www.nap.edu/catalog/23550/the-economic-and-fiscal-consequences-of-immigration

and

CITE: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/making-sense/4-myths-about-how-immigrants-affect-the-u-s-economy

@10 Things have changed a little in the last 80 years. Recent events (see Brexit) show a change. Keep supporting income stratification though. I'm sure continuing on the path of the last 40 or 50 years will suddenly produce different results.

Let's be honest. Nobody in Trump's family would be here now with these rules.

His grandfather, his mom, his wives, his in-laws, nobody.

It's kind of funny to watch the Stranger be pro-business in support of immigration. Growth is the most important thing! Sounds like an old Republican. Maybe we should cut business taxes so we can support migrants and stimulate the economy, will that be the next suggestion. How does this supporting low wage labor work out with unions? Oh that's right, they destroy them, see meatpacking for a good example. So you know... it's kind of hard to be on both sides of this issue.

Trump and the Republicans are racists, flat out. They know darn well that the economy runs on cheap labor. Don't enable them.

14 - I don't agree with you in general. However, I have not heard an explanation from my fellow Democrats how, precisely, you can not enforce immigration laws, but yet not have "open borders". So if you can sneak in you can stay. Doesn't seem like a real immigration policy to me.

Personally, I think we literally should have an open border with Mexico. Why not? Make it like Schengen in Europe, where labor and goods can flow freely.

You all really miss the point by crowing over taxes and numerics.
This has nothing to do with how many people are coming into the USA or how much in taxes they pay (or how much THEY OWE - rich white people we are looking at you).
It has EVERYTHING to do with BIGOTRY.
"Immigration" is the new semantic device, the doggies' whistles, that the crackers cannot resist.

Everyone should notice a rhetorical trick that #11 is using to lie to you:

This is the conflagration of legal immigrants with illegal ones. The studies that are cited are using legal immigrants only, despite seeming to be encompassing of all immigrants. This is by design.

Even the link offered states that we really have no idea on how much illegal immigration affects the economy, because we have no idea how many are here, what services they are using, and how much they are paying in taxes, if anything. It is a big part of why modern welfare systems need to actually know who is here and availing themselves to them.

This rhetorical lie is used in the vast majority of articles about how immigrants are the economic engine of the US. Be wary.

@1 Lets see, they use roads, if they have kids they use public schools and they are living in this country without the fear of Queen Elizabeth taking their shit so they use the Army, they buy food that has been inspected by the USDA, and they use public transportation and public libraries. BUT...they buy gas which is taxed and the those taxes pay for the roads, they pay rent which pays the property tax which pays for school, unless they are paid under the table they do pay income tax which pays for the Army, when they buy food that has been inspected the associated taxes and fees are built into the price and the library and bus is also covered by other local taxes which they pay.
Lets do any of the corporations that pay no taxes next.

@22:

So, basically, they're just like you!

That a basic function of government is “defense”, however you’d like to frame it, Sausage?

You can’t simultaneously say people are fleeing persecution and violence at home without acknowledging that they’re coming here to be safe.

Unless you’re you, I guess.

@6: Unlimited immigration, in the context of always allowing immigrants over time as opposed the number of immigrants allowed at any given time, has always been a cornerstone of American conservative politics up until St. Ronald or even GWB.

These blaspheming Minitru sycophantic slimeballs wiping their hemorrhoid encrusted sanguine stool with the flag and all that is sacred from the sacrifice of our fore-bearers deserve no less than to be cast naked in helmets and whitey tighteys into a playpen of active top-teir competitive NASCAR traffic a la running man. The incomprehensible Lingchi-esque revulsive agony of Ten thousand pits of Carkoon are not enough for these willful blaspheming scum buckets that play Big Brother with our legacy of unity and strength.

I'm all for deporting the entire GOP, and may they never come back.
I believe Catalina Vel-DuRay said it first, but I'll repeat it: "Republicans are horrible people." Where is Catalina? I'm surprised she hasn't commented.

Will trade racists for immigrants.

Mehlman and Teddy aren't interested in the stats and facts. They are easy to find. Mississippi, Kentucky, West Virginia and Alabama poor white people consume more resources than immigrants documented or undocumented per capita compared to places like New York or California were immigrants are more likely settle.

@28: You could also schedule Alexa to say it every hour if you want.

@10 Wow you must have looked really hard (eye roll). Why do so many people insist on being spoon fed information that is SO GODDAMN EASILY AVAILABLE TO THE MASSES???? Jesus fucking christ simply googling undocumented immigrants pay taxes will bring up hundreds of links. You can't be that stupid.

https://www.marketplace.org/2019/01/28/undocumented-immigrants-quietly-pay-billions-social-security-and-receive-no/

https://qz.com/1595339/immigrants-pay-billions-in-taxes-each-year/

http://immigrationimpact.com/2018/04/16/undocumented-immigrants-pay-taxes/

https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2016/oct/02/maria-teresa-kumar/how-much-do-undocumented-immigrants-pay-taxes/

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/topics/tax-contributions

https://bipartisanpolicy.org/blog/how-do-undocumented-immigrants-pay-federal-taxes-an-explainer/

"FOREST, Miss. (AP) —Days after immigration agents arrested 680 Latino workers in a massive workplace sting at seven Mississippi chicken processing plants, job seekers flocked to an employment fair Monday in hopes of filling some of those now-empty positions....

By 10 a.m., a crowd of dozens was on hand, and steady stream of people came and went. Most were black and spoke with accents from the American South."

https://www.apnews.com/a2f7d00232bd408285f2f7e9c041cf1e

@24 COMTE: Bingo! lol You're priceless.
@31: I don't have Alexa, a GPS in my car, or a Smartphone, sugarlips. But I'm upgrading my computer system, and my software is up to date. Ask me about my break from social media (I make a point to avoid Twitter altogether). :)
@32 xina: After reading some of his posts, I'm afraid Kokonut Kenny really IS that stupid.

It’s amazing. If nobody knows how many so called “illegal” immigrants are here then, golly gee, why are you racist shot bags so confident you know they take more than they contribute? And, golly gee, I guess “illegal” immigrants must behave so totally differently that there is no way to compare their economic behaviors to “legal” immigrants from the same places who work the same fucking jobs.

And, golly gee, there’s no way we can measure how much you up standing rightwing white citizens suck from the teat of the gub’mint... oh, wait, yes there is. And you worthless fucks are drain on our system by orders of magnitude more than them evil brown people you fear so much. Judging by the amount of time you dumbshit losers waste here trolling all day alone.

Christ. You racist fuckwads are stupid as dog shit.

@37: "I have no data, and I am very mad, so I am right."

Spend more time reading and less time throwing baby tantrums, and maybe this would not happen to you so much.