I've mentioned this before, but still find it noteworthy. Both Bernie and Biden would be older upon taking the oath of office than Saint Senile Ronnie was upon leaving it. I find myself gradually leaning toward more & more toward Warren as the least flawed option. Which seems odd, as she's got some pretty serious and likewise noteworthy concerns.
@4 Bernie and Biden are dead in office before the mid-terms. What's funny is the Bernie Bros don't realize that if he gets the nomination Bernie will have to pick a moderate candidate. And won't that be a kick in their asses when the 79 year old with heart problems dies in office.
This is why we really need Congress to end Citizens United AND to create legislation that enabled people to run for president without having billions of dollars. Senator Harris was definitely my first choice. After the dotard we need a president who not only respects the rule of law, we need a president who is not old, white, or male. The old white men have had their run and it has ended with Trump. Time for new blood, new ideas, and women to run the world.
I was contemplating that. VP nom better either be a minority (I like both Booker and Castro as well) or someone who'll be able to deliver a swing state unquestionably.
I liked Harris until I found out she defended Cali's use of death penalty and fought against the legalization of marijuana. I support her fully on ending private prisons though and still would've taken her over biden any day.
Biden's biggest strength has the support of black voters, who, at least thus far, haven't been interested in abandoning him for Booker, Castro, or Harris. Meanwhile, Warren, Mayor Pete, and Bernie have been activating white folks. Mayor Pete from the middle, Warren and Bernie from the left.
That said, if black voters stick with Biden, he's pretty much a lock to get the nomination, even if he loses Iowa and New Hampshire. And provided that there isn't too much personal animus from the debate stage, adding Harris as VP seems like it could be smart move, both to further shore up support of POC folks and also to allay the fears of people who are concerned that Biden may die in office. Probably helps get women out to vote as well.
Biden not my first choice by any means. But unless some magic happens coming out of IA and NH, it's probably a good idea to start making peace with that outcome.
ââDemocrats may have an all-white debate stage,â notes the New York Timesâdespite the party âbeginning the primaries with the most racially diverse field in history.ââ
The fuck? Thereâs still a Hindu (Gabbard) a Latino (Yang), and four women, not to mention a gay man currently polling near the top of the bunch. Christ am I ever sick of these bullshit diversity purity tests.
@13 He went off his meds a couple weeks before he created the new account.
@14 Hindu is a religion, not a race. Latino is an ethnicity, not a race-- many people identify as both white and latino. Homosexuality is a sexual preference, not a race. It's not a diversity test, it's a representation test, and the critique (whatever else you might think of it) is specific to racial representation.
Raindrop thinks the only way Democrats can win the election is if they nominate somebody he wants to vote for. You expect the Pundits Fallacy from Pundits but from a punter in Slog comments?
Identity politics is the cancer within the Left. It keeps us permanently divided against one another, to the point where we always wind up weakened ineffective.
While the political right is not monolithic- ask any Catholic what they think of Pentecostals or Mormons and youâll hear a litany of criticism- they have enough sense not to let their differences get in the way of their shared effectiveness. You may or may not have noticed that Republicans tend to vote in lock-step, even on bills where any one Republican is not advantaged by his Yes vote, to support one another. Itâs the whole âyou rub my back and Iâll rub yoursâ thing.
As long as youâre on this whole â I hate all white men even when they support equality for women and non-white peopleâ trip, youâre the problem. Youâre the reason why people like Al Franken, who staunchly defended womenâs rights, got kicked out and replaced by a weak, ineffective and likely to lose re-election nobody. Youâre the reason why Evergreen, a college that was very well regarded by everyone in the education field for decades, now has such low enrolment numbers that itâs likely to close permanently within a few years.
You are the cancer that is killing the Left. You represent division, internal strife, bickering, and self-destruction. You will isolate each and everyone to the point where nobody can work with anyone else, and all of us are so weak and so atomized thatâs we are easy prey for idiots like Joey Gibson who should be unable to harm anyone owing to his incompetence.
You are the problem.
We need to focus on what our common goals are, and how to get there. Workers of all colours and genders have seen a swatch erosion of their rights. We need to protect workers. Not just Black workers or female workers, but all workers. The person who claims that a white male worker is the enemy of a Black worker is the enemy of both.
Either we unite or we die. Itâs the same as it was during the AIDS crisis. ACT-UP would have gotten nowhere if it insisted on the suicidal identity politics you push. People are alone today because Larry Kramer, an old white dude, got everyone to work together, whether they were Black, Brown, White or whatever.
Kamala has AG written all over her, and that seems like a better stepping stone to higher executive office than VP anyway. But what do I know (literally, I really don't know anything about career paths at that level)
@1 let's hope his heart is up to it
I've mentioned this before, but still find it noteworthy. Both Bernie and Biden would be older upon taking the oath of office than Saint Senile Ronnie was upon leaving it. I find myself gradually leaning toward more & more toward Warren as the least flawed option. Which seems odd, as she's got some pretty serious and likewise noteworthy concerns.
I really, really hope we don't fuck this up.
@4 Bernie and Biden are dead in office before the mid-terms. What's funny is the Bernie Bros don't realize that if he gets the nomination Bernie will have to pick a moderate candidate. And won't that be a kick in their asses when the 79 year old with heart problems dies in office.
This is why we really need Congress to end Citizens United AND to create legislation that enabled people to run for president without having billions of dollars. Senator Harris was definitely my first choice. After the dotard we need a president who not only respects the rule of law, we need a president who is not old, white, or male. The old white men have had their run and it has ended with Trump. Time for new blood, new ideas, and women to run the world.
She would still make a great VP for President Warren
@8,
I was contemplating that. VP nom better either be a minority (I like both Booker and Castro as well) or someone who'll be able to deliver a swing state unquestionably.
I liked Harris until I found out she defended Cali's use of death penalty and fought against the legalization of marijuana. I support her fully on ending private prisons though and still would've taken her over biden any day.
Biden's biggest strength has the support of black voters, who, at least thus far, haven't been interested in abandoning him for Booker, Castro, or Harris. Meanwhile, Warren, Mayor Pete, and Bernie have been activating white folks. Mayor Pete from the middle, Warren and Bernie from the left.
That said, if black voters stick with Biden, he's pretty much a lock to get the nomination, even if he loses Iowa and New Hampshire. And provided that there isn't too much personal animus from the debate stage, adding Harris as VP seems like it could be smart move, both to further shore up support of POC folks and also to allay the fears of people who are concerned that Biden may die in office. Probably helps get women out to vote as well.
Biden not my first choice by any means. But unless some magic happens coming out of IA and NH, it's probably a good idea to start making peace with that outcome.
@7, are you off your meds?
ââDemocrats may have an all-white debate stage,â notes the New York Timesâdespite the party âbeginning the primaries with the most racially diverse field in history.ââ
The fuck? Thereâs still a Hindu (Gabbard) a Latino (Yang), and four women, not to mention a gay man currently polling near the top of the bunch. Christ am I ever sick of these bullshit diversity purity tests.
@13 He went off his meds a couple weeks before he created the new account.
@14 Hindu is a religion, not a race. Latino is an ethnicity, not a race-- many people identify as both white and latino. Homosexuality is a sexual preference, not a race. It's not a diversity test, it's a representation test, and the critique (whatever else you might think of it) is specific to racial representation.
@14: You think Andrew Yang is Latino?
Raindrop thinks the only way Democrats can win the election is if they nominate somebody he wants to vote for. You expect the Pundits Fallacy from Pundits but from a punter in Slog comments?
Weird.
@18: Oops! I meant Castro. And Yang is another diversity example, obviously
No one from Berkeley, CA will win the Presidency. If Tom Hanks him damn self ran, he'd have to remind America he's actually from Concord.
@20 Is the correct answer supposed to be "Bloomberg is running because raindrop wants to vote for him?"
I mean OK, but that does seem a bit solipsistic, if not completely delusional.
@11,
But what about Benghazi!? BENGHAZI, I TELL YOU!!!
Oh wait... I mean Burisma! What about BURISMA???
@22 I did not say that. As far as I'm concerned, Trump is not in the equation.
6,
Identity politics is the cancer within the Left. It keeps us permanently divided against one another, to the point where we always wind up weakened ineffective.
While the political right is not monolithic- ask any Catholic what they think of Pentecostals or Mormons and youâll hear a litany of criticism- they have enough sense not to let their differences get in the way of their shared effectiveness. You may or may not have noticed that Republicans tend to vote in lock-step, even on bills where any one Republican is not advantaged by his Yes vote, to support one another. Itâs the whole âyou rub my back and Iâll rub yoursâ thing.
As long as youâre on this whole â I hate all white men even when they support equality for women and non-white peopleâ trip, youâre the problem. Youâre the reason why people like Al Franken, who staunchly defended womenâs rights, got kicked out and replaced by a weak, ineffective and likely to lose re-election nobody. Youâre the reason why Evergreen, a college that was very well regarded by everyone in the education field for decades, now has such low enrolment numbers that itâs likely to close permanently within a few years.
You are the cancer that is killing the Left. You represent division, internal strife, bickering, and self-destruction. You will isolate each and everyone to the point where nobody can work with anyone else, and all of us are so weak and so atomized thatâs we are easy prey for idiots like Joey Gibson who should be unable to harm anyone owing to his incompetence.
You are the problem.
We need to focus on what our common goals are, and how to get there. Workers of all colours and genders have seen a swatch erosion of their rights. We need to protect workers. Not just Black workers or female workers, but all workers. The person who claims that a white male worker is the enemy of a Black worker is the enemy of both.
Either we unite or we die. Itâs the same as it was during the AIDS crisis. ACT-UP would have gotten nowhere if it insisted on the suicidal identity politics you push. People are alone today because Larry Kramer, an old white dude, got everyone to work together, whether they were Black, Brown, White or whatever.
Spellcheck sucks, and I canât edit posts, so a few corrections need to be made.
People are alive today, not alone today.
And it should read âhate all white men whetherâ not âwhenâ.
Also, Iâm over caffeinated and shouldnât be posting right now.
Too much coffee.
Not a promising thread so far, but here goes ...
Note that her decision puts Sen. Harris in great position for a star turn when impeachment reaches the trial stage in the Senate.
Which, depending how it plays out, could raise her prospects a rung or three on the ladder of potential Veep nominees.
@24 He lived all over the East Bay in his youth but what's important here is that he isn't from Berkeley.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1200127856891715584
@21 Your Latino/Yang error aside, Castro isnât polling anywhere near the top. Quite the opposite.
Kamala has AG written all over her, and that seems like a better stepping stone to higher executive office than VP anyway. But what do I know (literally, I really don't know anything about career paths at that level)