Too late.

Everyone already voted in my online poll.

They're not even sure she'll be Mayor in a week, let alone a month, or a year.

Moar guns! MOAR!!!

Luckily for Mayor Durkin, someone planned ahead and already passed common sense gun control laws that should have totally prevented this: 18 USC 922(g) and RCW 9.41.040.

@5 Both suspects are believed to be off duty storm troopers.

I wish they would be more precise about this "gang-related" nonsense. If you are buying large quantities of guns, drugs or engaged in human-trafficking, I bet you aren't calling these guys. There are criminal gangs - enterprises set up to carry out illegal activities for profit. But these are far less prevalent than they used to be.

Now there are mostly neighborhood groups that just argue and fight and shoot other groups of people usually over social media BS with no actual organized source of income. These are the "gangs" that have made Chicago a mess. These are likely the "gangs" at play here.

Knowing exactly what type determines what response would be most effective.

@9 "pre-emptively incarcerate young black males".... yeah... doesn't sound racist at all...

Congrats on being the most ridiculous thing I've read on the internet today, and I've read a lot of the Stranger today.

"Arrest records reveal both are documented gang members with extensive criminal histories. Tolliver has previously been arrested 44 times with 20 convictions, for offenses including unlawful possession of a firearm, theft, malicious mischief, and assault. Tolbert has been arrested 21 times with 15 convictions, including robbery, possession of a stolen vehicle, discharging a firearm in a public place, theft, and harassment.

Tolliver has one conviction for a Class C felony, while Tolbert has two for a Class B felony, and one other for a Class C. A Class B felony typically comes with a prison term up 10 years, while Class C is punishable up to five years."

Too bad our so-called "carceral state" didn't put these guys behind bars, after being arrested 21 to 44 times.

Mass shooting? Pretty sure these morons didn't intend that but it tends to happen when you use the gangsta' side grip instead of the proper Isosceles Stance I learned to use when firing my handgun.

These fuckers deserve vigilante justice.

@14 (hint: No.)

@#8
For The Win!

@9: "The way to reduce murder by gun in this country is to pre-emptively incarcerate young black males." That just won't fly. However, red flag every felon (of whatever race) and have a judge prepare the confiscation paperwork. When the police have some down time, just pull a file out of the stack, knock on the door and search the place for weapons.

@14: "Right there should be an automatic 10 year sentence"
The law moves slowly. Get arrested and brought before a judge for a court date. Released on your recognizance or cheap bail (which drug dealers should have no trouble raising) and they don't show for trial. Issue a bench warrant for failure to appear. Rinse and repeat.

There are people out there who live in a continuous cycle of being arrested for outstanding warrants, brought before a judge and bailed/released. Every few months, it's only a day or two out of their schedule. A minor inconvenience really, for a lifestyle of doing whatever the hell one wants. Recently, a couple of guys were apprehended for a robbery/murder, which made the nightly news. One of them was genuinely shocked that he wasn't going to get bail.

Close the McDonalds and open a PCC. The smell of kale and yoga matts will do the trick.

Third Ave downtown is an open sewer and the McDonald's at Third and Pine is a portal to hell. Both have been this way for the 20 years I've lived in Seattle. And despite how bad things are (you can buy drugs waiting for a bus), the city seems unwilling to do anything to try to clean up this mess.

Maybe with Amazon taking over the Macy's building and having staff shot on Third Ave will lead it to put pressure on the city to do something to make this major public transit corridor safe and secure. This is an instance where I would welcome Amazon putting pressure on city government. God knows, pleas and complaints from individual citizens over the years have fallen on deaf ears.

Of course, if after this latest outrage the city still does little or nothing to clean up Third Ave, we have to believe there are some Seattle heavy hitters profiting from keeping the Third Ave corridor a dangerous criminal cesspool at all hours of the day and night.

@9-how are you going to feed all the extra prisoners? I’m sure you are thinking “Trish babies, natch” but that’s not as cheap as it used to be.

That would be “Irish babies” of course. My spell check apologizes to any Patricias reading this.

I see that the deluded Second Amendment bros are active in this thread.

The reality: the Second Amendment had NOTHING to do with an individual right to own a gun, until the gun manufacturers and their bought and owned right wing judges and politicians created one out of thin air.

In somewhere like Japan, you are more likely to die from lightning strike than from a gun -- that is to say, under ten deaths per year.

In the U.S., you're about as likely to die from a gun as you are from a car crash -- that is to say, tens of thousands of deaths per year.

People do not like to dwell on the racist and anti-native-american basis for the Second Amendment. But it is a part of our collective history. One reason for the Second Amendment was to give whites the right to muster militias to put down slave rebellions and to attack Native Americans.

In 1785, militias may have seemed like a good idea, in the aftermath of the rebellion against the King of England. By 1865, the evils of militias were revealed for all to see, when the white supremacist southerners mustered militias to defend their right to own and subjugate black people, thus leading to the murder of hundreds of thousands of Americans in the Civil War.

We need to stop the insanity of the misinterpretation of the Second Amendment. We need to stop the insanity of the wacko-birds gun nuts. We need to stop the slaughter.

We need sensible gun regulation.

“ We need sensible gun regulation.”

Criminal regulation would be better.

@11

Quite the opposite.
Doing so, in fact, would drop the rate at which African-Americans are murdered- currently at more than six times the rate of other demographic groups- to virtually zero.
Ze. Row.
The only possible explanation for anyone not in favor of this proposal would be that they believe black lives don't matter at all.
Shame on you.

"Too bad our so-called "carceral state" didn't put these guys behind bars, after being arrested 21 to 44 times."

So-called carceral state? You confuse Seattle and King Country's lack of interest in pursuing violent criminals that commit murder, rape (the untested rape kits), assault and theft with their obsession over criminalizing lifestyle crimes involving sex and drugs that lack any victim.

We didn't get to be the worlds largest incarcerator (by percentage, more than the next 10 countries combined) by going after murderers and rapist. We did it by allowing a culture where police and prosecutors turn a blind eye to violent criminals that have victims begging for justice while focusing all their attention and resources on publicity stunt/asset forfeiture crimes that lack any victim beyond the imaginary ones invented to justify mass incarceration of the mentally ill and harmless.

The American police state grew out of the violent slave suppression groups during slavery and have not changed their tactics or goals in the 150 years since. The goal is social control, not stopping violent criminals. If you measure incarceration by how many violent criminals we lock up, Seattle and King Country can fairly be considered anti-incarceration.

@32. African Americans are murdered.... by other Aftican Americans. Yeah, I guess black lives truly don't matter. Maybe you should address the African American community about why black lives don't matter to them.

Durkan said. “We cannot avoid the fact and the truth that we have too many guns in our country and too many get into the hands of criminals.”

No, Mayor Jenny, we have too many scumbags roaming the streets with no fear of persecution. Wednesday's carnage was the inevitable result of a spineless city leadership. Namely, your office, the SCC, Pete Holmes, and Dan Satterberg. Your "compassion" has paralyzed you into refusing to deal with chronic offenders.

The number one job of any government, whether local or national, is to protect its citizens. Do. Your. Job.

Anybody wondering how the US came to lead the world in incarceration rates by such a large margin, from the War on Drugs to the 1994 Crime Bill and accompanying "Super-Predator" rhetoric and beyond, should just breeze over the comments in a thread like this responding to reporting on a single shocking urban crime. That'll give you a taste of how it has worked for the last four decades and counting.

Once people's lizard-brain threat response is engaged, you can forget about having a reasoned discussion about crime and punishment. It never fails. Anecdote trumps statistics, and knee-jerk fear trumps everything.

@41 has a good point about hiring local cops.

@28: They are the same.