Tens of Thousands of Washington Ballots Will Not Count Unless Voters Act to Correct Partisan Declaration Boxes

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1

Doesn't really matter at this point. The race is over (it was over on Tuesday night). Biden will be the nominee (unless something really bad happens to him).

2

@1: No, there'e still an unlikely possibility and implausible path to the nomination for Sanders. It's not over till it's over.

Every vote counts.

3

If you can't read the directions, your vote doesn't count.

5

I just wonder why it has to be on the outside of the envelope.

6

Glad Sanders won.

That said, a friend admitted they wrote in Tulsi Gabbard for the GOP.

Does that count?

7

And yet Kim Wyman was just on Q13 News this morning saying that she didn't check either party affiliation box on her ballot as a form of political protest.

8

Not sweeping Super Tuesday does
NOT mean it's Over for the Bern.

Unlesss Biden decides to Not campaign
which seemed to be his Winning Strategy
Super Tuesday-wise.

Also:
"Take the appropriate action as soon as you can.
The primary is next Tuesday."

Wait:
Is the coming Tuesday 'next' Tuesday
or is 'next Tuesday' the Tuesday
after this coming Tuesday?

Note:
Vote On or Before Tuesday, 3/10/2020.

9

I understand why people would be ashamed to identify as Republican. What with their open support of sexual assault, racism and treason to name a few.

10

@9: Unless they were writing in Bill Weld.

11

@5 -- The reason they do that is because essentially it is up to each party to count the ballots, so they need to know who to hand it off to. There is more detail here:

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/as-washingtons-presidential-primary-nears-voters-have-more-questions-we-answer-them/

12

@2 -- So you're saying there's a chance...

Yeah, of course there is. But Biden is highly likely to win a two person race against Sanders. It is very difficult to win without taking some southern states, and Biden is taking them in greater numbers than Obama did. Clinton took California too, by roughly the same numbers. She also took Massachusetts, whereas Biden won more delegates there.

Things could change, but with the support and endorsement of most of the candidates around Biden, I don't think it will. Unless, of course, Biden stumbles. But that seems unlikely, and if there is something terrible (like a heart attack) then someone else will get into the race, and they fight it out in a brokered convention.

13

@8 -- There is an interesting discussion on five thirty eight about whether Sanders should pivot: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/does-sanders-need-a-new-strategy/. As I wrote in there, the ad they reference is fantastic. It shows Obama saying nice things about Bernie. Not only would it appeal to African American voters, but moderates as well. But the most important group of voters that it would appeal to are those that think that Bernie can't get elected. Over and over, when I've asked my friends who they are voting for, they just reply "anyone who can beat Trump". This ad counters that worry extremely well -- essential if you are trying to seal the deal as front runner.

The problem is, running the ad right now is too little too late. It smacks of desperation ("look, Obama likes me"). Running it after Nevada would have been a completely different thing. It would be an attempt to unite the party, saying he has great respect for the centrist wing of the party (which Obama represents) while also cementing his role as front runner.

Now the narrative has changed. The front runner is Biden, not Sanders. You have to find fault with Biden (which isn't hard to do) in order to knock him off. The problem is, when you do that, you can alienate the same moderates you are trying to appeal to ("Hey dude, don't talk shit about the guy who is probably going to our nominee"). It is a very tough task to pull off, and there is nothing in Bernie's political history to suggest he is up to the task.

14

@13 -- Bernie could easily soften the tone of his policies to reflect the chances of a non-veto-proof Congress: 'no more health insurance corps,' for example, and speak of the need to transitioning to M4A, including healthcare ins. workers; the same as well as to the Green new Deal, etc.

If Bernie cannot be Pragmatic, his odds
drop like a Congressperson on a Koch.

15

(What happens if between Nov 3 [Election Day!] and January 20th one of 'em [God forbid] drops dead -- it's semi-plausable, they're all three in their later 70s in a highly-stressful environment -- does their running mate* become Prez?

*Will trump keep Pious Pence after the VP totally bungles the COVID-19 pandemic or will he pick a popular young [telegenic!] fascist?)

16

@13 Bernie. Can't. Get. Elected. Never Bernie.

17

This is why I threw my ballot away, whoever came up with this idiotic public party declaration is an absolute moron. Or morons. Want me to help the Democrats defeat Trump? Fine, just don't force to declare my party affiliation on the OUTSIDE of the ballot envelope. Fucking idiots.

18

I may have missed this it the article but will they ask for party affiliation every year or just this year?

20

So this is straight up voter suppression on behalf of the Washington Democratic party. They knew Ds here would be more likely to vote for Bernie and more likely to throw away their ballot, like 17, instead of declaring ON THE OUTSIDE of the envelope which party they support. Typical DNC fuckery that lost them the election in 2016. If it's not Bernie time around, welcome to a now powerful less restrained Trump in 2021.

21

The candidate I voted for dropped out right after I mailed my ballot. I bet that's true for a lot of voters. So my vote was wated anyway. Maybe primary ballots should have a shorter timeline.

This is more upsetting to me than the declaring a party box.

22

@20 -- Shocking as it may seem, the 'democratic' National Committee is an Unelected PRIVATE Corporation who MAKES UP THE RULES.
which they can then follow -- or not:

"DNC to Court: We Are a Private Corporation With No Obligation to Follow Our Rules -- May 2, 2017

Update: A federal judge dismissed the DNC lawsuit on August 28. The court recognized that the DNC treated voters unfairly, but ruled that the DNC is a private corporation; therefore, voters cannot protect their rights by turning to the courts:

'To the extent Plaintiffs wish to air their general grievances with the DNC or its candidate selection process, their redress is through the ballot box, the DNC's internal workings, or their right of free speech — not through the judiciary.'

Rather than reflecting on the consternation everyday voters are having over the conduct of the Democratic presidential primary, the Democratic National Committee is doubling down on the assertion that the primary election belongs to the people who control the party -- not voters.

In the transcript for last week's hearing in Wilding, et. al. v. DNC Services, d/b/a DNC and Deborah 'Debbie' Wasserman Schultz, released Friday, DNC attorneys assert that the party has every right to favor one candidate or another, despite their party rules that state otherwise because, after all, they are a private corporation and they can change their rules if they want."

https://ivn.us/posts/dnc-to-court-we-are-a-private-corporation-with-no-obligation-to-follow-our-rules

Do NOT RELY ON THE 'D'NC
for ANY kind of Democracy.

Corporations RULE the DNC.
Until we can break our Corporate Bonds
we're pretty. much. FUCKED.

Sanders WILL break that bond
or die trying.

GO Bernie.
Kick that Corporate ass.

23

Like the Mafia, if ya wanna Change them
(apparently) ya gotta do it from the Inside.
wtf

24

21 - same here. Wasted vote on a drop-out candidate. At least I didn't have to use my own stamp for this ballot. I begin to understand "voter apathy". I could slap the people I know who just couldn't bring themselves to vote for "that woman" and instead voted for the reprehensible creature currently in the WH. Everything bad is their fault.

26

I'm glad we have the boxes to check. Since Trump is unopposed and this guaranteed a win, plenty of Republicans (no doubt spurred on by talk radio) might decide to vote for the weakest opponent. If checking the box that says "I'm a Democrat" before making your selection on the Democratic candidate is too much for you, then perhaps you shouldn't be voting in the primary.

27

@21 and @24, you can still correct your vote. You can request a new ballot or they will give you instructions on how to correct your vote. Don't be such quitters! Don't act like you're a twenty-something.

28

@Early Voters whose Candidates dropped out:

@27 is Correct -- See your County's Local Elections Department! You have until closing time (I believe) TOMORROW.