Slog AM: Rape for Rent Is Now a Thing, Sweden Has Higher Death Rate than US, Today Is Brian Eno's Birthday

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1

"Sweden's Herd Immunity Experiment Is Not Working... has higher death rate than US."

But lower than Britain, France, Spain, Italy, and others with more restrictive policies.

Also I'll bet they get to herd immunity sooner than the US does too.

2

"The Guns Don't Sleep During Pandemic:" True. They also don't animate themselves, aim themselves, or trigger themselves, with, or without a pandemic.

3

Of course all institutions, public and private, will need legal immunity from lawsuits arising from the pandemic. Otherwise, the free market economic system will be buried in litigation from the free market legal system. Politically, the Republicans want this more than the Democrats so that chip will be played in exchange for a Democratic priority like robust funding for state and local governments.

4

"Joshua Clover writes: 'universities join the ranks of companies making longstanding demand: 'we must be able to kill our employees. also our customers.'""

Relax, Citizens.
It's just
Capitalism.

5

@1, if herd immunity is your goal, then I can assure you Joe Biden and Jay Inslee are not your guys this November.

@1: "But lower than Britain, France, Spain, Italy, and others with more restrictive policies."

This is an incredibly misleading statement. The only reason the UK imposed its lockdown--and the primary reason it is the USA of Europe (the poster child for what not to do) when it comes to COVID-19--was that it started out with a herd immunity approach, which proceeded to go disastrously wrong. But of course, you knew this and you decided to leave it out, because that's what trolls like you do.

Listen, GermanSausage, I've got to get back to work. So I'm going to let you have the last word with some sick burn that I'm sure will totally put me in my place.

Anyway, the only reason I was looking to comment here was because I was starting to scan through this post and saw "At this point, we must be close to the Prince of Darkness," and my first thought was, "Oh shit. Is Mudede doing Slog AM this morning?" And of course I went straight up to the byline.

6

Herd immunity achieved by allowing a majority of people to get sick completely misses the point of herd immunity. This term is typically used in the context of immunization, not natural infection.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/without-a-vaccine-herd-immunity-wont-save-us/

7

That earthquake's location is a little west of the Nevada nuclear test range. Hi, China!

8

Cops and bikes story followed by a drunk pig story. That's Chuck for you.

9

Guess what is one thing that doesn't care about infections or plans?

Earthquakes.

You're living in a 9.0 zone, Ring of Fire denizens.

10

Dude spent $1100 on food in a month? No wonder you are broke man, you budget about as well as the SCC.
I have a 3 person househood and our food budget is half that.

11

@5 "was that it started out with a herd immunity approach, which proceeded to go disastrously wrong"

Mmm, no. They were considering it, but then they went hard into the stay at home, social distancing routine, and most of the spread and deaths have come since then. If you're arguing that these measures are pointless once the virus is present... okay?

"Listen, GermanSausage, I've got to get back to work. So I'm going to let you have the last word with some sick burn that I'm sure will totally put me in my place."

You must be thinking of somebody else, I'm not interested in childish little games.

@6 "Herd immunity achieved by allowing a majority of people to get sick completely misses the point of herd immunity. This term is typically used in the context of immunization, not natural infection."

The point is to flatten the curve, to not overwhelm hospitals. It's not to keep people from getting infected. The vast majority who are infected will be just fine and require no hospital. Getting infected confers the same immunity that getting a vaccine does.

12

I can attest to the fact that pigs are fun to drink with.
They just love beer, and it doesn't take much- one or two beers and they are acting all silly running around and squealing in delight. Happy drunks.
Seems like the least we can do for them, being as how they only get 6 months to a year to live before we slaughter them.

13

@10, I only ate out (lunch and dinner). I hate home cooking.

14

Social distancing flattens the curve. The herd immunity approach is ripping off the band-aid to get it over with and hope the right people get sick, but this isn’t working as planned because it’s impossible to control the spread of a highly contagious virus.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-12/covid-infection-rate-drops-in-denmark-after-lockdown-relaxed

15

@11: “ Getting infected confers the same immunity that getting a vaccine does.”

You’re wrong. We don’t know that. It’s a novel virus. The evidence so far suggests some level of antibody protection but there is a lot of variance and uncertainty.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/05/07/852360101/will-antibodies-after-covid-19-illness-prevent-reinfection

16

@15, if getting infected doesn't confer immunity, then a vaccine isn't going to work either.

17

From today’s NYT:
Sweden Stayed Open. A Deadly Month Shows the Risks.
By Lauren Leatherby and Allison McCannMay; 15, 2020

“Sweden’s outbreak has been far deadlier than those of its neighbors, but it’s still better off than many countries that enforced strict lockdowns.”

Excellent article
But comparing US to them is apples to zuchinni
Don’t forget to read the Comments.

Tonnes more at:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/05/15/world/europe/sweden-coronavirus-deaths.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

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@16: That’s also not true. There are different kinds of vaccines and they can calibrate an immunity response with attenuated or even inactivated versions.

19

Offering rent in exchange for sex is not rape. And sex work is noble work - the Stranger has told me so.

We won't know if Sweden's herd immunity experiment will pay off until at least the end of the year. Meanwhile there was an article yesterday indicating the low rate of death in the Nordic countries is correlated with high rates of vitamin D supplementation. I'm not sure how Sweden compares in that regard.

@13 - what incredible privilege you have.

20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6IIBgULfm8

21

Mudede, goddamnit--your writing is beautiful.

22

@13:

"I hate home cooking." = "I'm too lazy to cook."

23

Sweden's death rate may be higher but is it so much higher that they wish they would have sacrificed their economy to have it lower? I think Sweden will answer that by deciding whether to change course based on the current situation, available data, and public sentiment.

24

@19! I knew someone would say that. A sex worker is not at all in the same situation. The offer here is made with the direct threat of eviction. This is a one-way exertion of power.

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@23

Not only is Sweden's death rate higher- by an order of magnitude, but its economy has been hit by the same degree of downturn as Norway and Finland.

So- bottom line: they've killed thousands of people to date- just to prove a point (which is that they're stubborn and value life less than their neighbors).

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@19 Fuck you. Being asked to fuck your landlord in exchange for rent is most definitely rape. You can bet that landlords aren't asking their male tenants (especially any nasty obese male tenants) to fuck in exchange for rent.

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@19: Being told to suck a landlord's dick or get evicted is coercion, and is at the very least sexual harassment.
I swear to god every time I think you've hit bottom you manage to go lower.

29

“i’ll fuck you in exchange for free rent” = sex work

“fuck me or i will evict you” = not sex work

i’m shocked to fine out a conservative bro doesn’t understand how consent works

30

@27 - Being asked to fuck your landlord in exchange for rent is 100% NOT rape. Not by any definition ever used by any governmental body in the United States at least. It's weird and maybe a bit creepy (depending on your landlord).

@28 - coercion and sexual harassment are not the same thing as rape. Words matter. Pick the right ones.

31

But doen't
a landLORD
have that inalienable
Right ro fuck his tenants?

Specially if they
cannot Pay
the Rent.

32

@29:

Considering they've probably never had sex - at least sex they didn't pay for - it's not all that surprising.

33

Handjob: two day's rent
Blowjob: two weeks
PIV: one month
Anal: 1.5 mos.

34

did i miss the "rape" part somewhere or did it just jazz up the headline?

35

Trump is declaring victory over the virus even as cases spike. Why is he not visiting the "war zones," this "war-time" president? He should be made to go and see the piles of dead bodies and look in the eyes of every American whose loved one has died due to COVID-19.

How do you maintain dignity for the dead during a pandemic?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/14/magazine/funeral-home-covid.html?smid=ig-nytimes&utm_source=like2buy.curalate.com&crl8_id=713612f9-608c-4302-8556-240baa45d351

Meanwhile, all the states opening up today should circle June 1st on their calendars. Texas opened on May 1 and is seeing the consequences now.

Two weeks after allowing restaurants, movie theaters, retail stores, malls, museum and libraries to reopen May 1, 2020 with 25% capacity, Texas suffered its deadliest COVID-19 day on May 14 and the state also had the most new confirmed cases of the novel coronavirus in a 24-hour period. Texas reported 58 COVID-19 fatalities and 1,448 newly confirmed cases on Thursday.

http://www.ntxe-news.com/artman/publish/article_119906.shtml

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@30

Do you realize that you just admitted that it was sexual harassment?

37

@30 Fuckin' yikes. It isn't just weird. It's threatening to put someone out on the street if they don't fuck for the rent. That extortion. That's predatory. That's a total lack of consent. It's psychotic. Weird is being awkward at someone you wanna get sexual with where if they say 'no', your reaction to that feeling garden variety rejected and not attempting to make them homeless.

38

@1

It is amazing to see how quickly you changed from a "liberal" to a "conservative" because you can't do whatever you want whenever you want.

It wasn't that long ago that you thought everyone deserved a living wage, and now you believe that if someone doesn't want to risk their life or finances to serve you a cup of coffee they deserve to be fired and go hungry.

No one is going to forget this.

39

German Salciccia, you've earned another Kurzgesagt video. Particularly 8:55 on herd immunity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBkVCpbNnkU

40

@27: A nasty obese male tenant might suit one or two landlords' sex extortion for rent quite well. It's a big world after all.

41

@33: You forgot fisting.

41

@36 - it is sexual harassment. I never argued it wasn't. Sexual harassment is not rape.

42

David is correct.

However, sexual extortion along with rape are considered sexual offenses which are felonies in some states. More info on WomensLaw.org.

43

Speaking of the Alienable Rights
of landLORDs (and the Investor Class)

From The Portland Mercury:

Lawsuit Accuses SE Portland Bar of Tolerating
Investor's Persistent Sexual Harassment of Staff

[Cooper] DuBois, the wealthy co-creator of a successful online gambling platform in Seattle, has poured money into the Liquor Store [bar and grill] since owner Ray Morrone opened its doors on SE Belmont in 2015.

According to . . . women and several other former employees, DuBois’ hefty investment in the burgeoning music venue gave him a free pass to spend drunken weekends at the bar physically and verbally harassing staff and patrons. So now, after staff say years of repeated complaints about DuBois’ conduct to the bar’s owner went ignored, they’re suing.

by Alex Zielinski
May 13, 2020

https://www.portlandmercury.com/blogtown/2020/05/13/28417834/lawsuit-accuses-se-portland-bar-of-tolerating-investors-persistent-sexual-harassment-of-staff

44

41
listing too short for
fisting
not enuff lines for
69s
Oh and (I hear) it's IMMORAL to
Oral

45

@41

In post #19 you suggested that it was "sex work", and you didn't mention sexual harassment until someone called you out on it.

Charles was being hyperbolic, and you were attempting to be facetious.

Perhaps the two of you should use more care in your choice of words in the future.

46

“Employees would come to me and say ‘Cooper was here last night and was wasted and wouldn’t leave me alone,’” said one of the former bar managers, who asked the Mercury to remain anonymous to protect her privacy. “When I’d tell [bar owner] ([Morrone]), I’d get the response, ‘That’s just the way he is, he paid for this bar, so he can do whatever he wants.’”

Peons. Always demanding their "rights."
Wake the Fuck UP
This is trump's
Amerikkka.

Get RICH or
Get used to it
Be Like Dave.

More at:
https://www.portlandmercury.com/blogtown/2020/05/13/28417834/lawsuit-accuses-se-portland-bar-of-tolerating-investors-persistent-sexual-harassment-of-staff

47

@39, your cartoon has nothing to do with anything being discussed. I'm not arguing against vaccines. I'd fully be in favor of a vaccine, if there was one, which there isn't, and probably won't be any time soon. The point I'm making and maybe you didn't understand is that if getting the disease doesn't confer immunity, neither will the vaccine. If you get the chickenpox, you don't have to worry about getting chickenpox again, because you have immunity. Or you can get a chicken pox vaccine, which tricks the body into thinking its got chickenpox, and now you've got that same immunity you had iff you had been infected, but without the danger of getting the disease itself. That's why vaccines are good.
Now there are viral infections that you can get, and you'll have immunity, but that immunity will go away, for different reasons, over time. The flu is the classic example. You can get the flu again and again and again, because the virus keeps mutating at a crazy rate, so immunity's not going to last more than a season. But that same problem applies to the vaccine for the same reason, which is why responsible adults have to get a new flu vaccines every year (and plenty of the people panicking over coronavirus don't, and we still end up with 60,000 pointless deaths for the flu every year). And the same problem is going to apply to this coronavirus. If it turns out that people can keep getting covid over and over and over again, for whatever reason, then we're still going to have the same problem with the vaccine.

@38, I'm as liberal as they get. I think everyone deserves a living wage. I think if people who are scared of the coronavirus should be able to shelter in place. Even the cowardly hypochondriac scientifically illiterate ones that aren't in any significant risk, and I think they should still be allowed to eat, and on the public doll if necessary. And because I'm liberal, I believe what we do should be based on sound science, rather than some puritanical hysteria where the act of going outside or having fun is confused with spreading the coronavirus. No one is going to forget what? Shit you make up?

48

Trump is all about Trump. That’s always been true. For three years, though, Trump was protected from himself by the prosperity he inherited from others. Trump has squandered that prosperity, as he previously squandered the fortune bequeathed by his father. The consequences are here. The fairy tales Trump tells on Twitter will not conceal those consequences from the voters Trump needs.

They weren’t listening before. Now they are. And what they hear is not: Obama was mean to me. What they hear is: I cannot do this job.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/05/trump-has-lost-plot/611548/

49

I love when the "Its not rape if its not this very specific thing" dudes log on. Just a matter of time before the "age of consent is unconstitutional" bros chime in.

50

@49: It's really a matter of not applying the correct verb, and therefore the applicable law.

But I love how the "conflate meanings" crowd gets mad at accurate use of the English language.

52

Seriously, we're discussing semantics regarding landlords demanding sex from women who can't pay their rent?

Rape (defined): : unlawful sexual activity and usually sexual intercourse carried out forcibly

Rape (legal definition - narrowed down to the most salient point): The victim's lack of consent is the crucial element.

The crime of rape generally refers to non-consensual sexual intercourse that is committed by physical force, threat of injury, or other duress.

So a landlord demanding sex in exchange for rent is unlawful and can be defined as rape as it is considered non-consensual sexual intercourse committed under circumstances of duress.

Fuck every man on this forum defending this as NBD.

53

According to the CDC (cdc.gov/covid19) Overall, covid19 cases that require hospitalization are 4.6 per 100,000 cases. That is a .0046% hospitalization rate. Of those 4.6 per 100,000 cases, 1.4% die or less than .014 people.

Please stop with the hyperbole, scaring people doesn't help. Try presenting the data and let people reach their own conclusions.

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@52 - a creep landlord trying to get sex in lieu of rent is for sure a creepy bastard and clearly not appropriate, but it is still not "rape" - it was a lame clicky-baity header but lets stay in reality here.

55

53 those numbers are per the total population, not per case

56

As they say, the law is the law. Rape:

“The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.”

https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/blog/updated-definition-rape

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The Data from Australia @53, is we have twenty six million people and less than a hundred dead. New Zealand, which went hard early, has a few dead. Yes, it came to us in late summer and we yet have to go thru winter. So. Much vigilance around. Borders to outside world closed indefinitely. Maybe a bubble with NZ and some Pacific countries will open up soon.
The data coming out of the US along with the gun toting maniacs storming Govt buildings, opening up society way too early and ignoring social distancing and mask wearing, is freaking the rest of the world out. Seeing bread lines because the Fed Govt can no longer hide its evil madness. Medical experts are no longer even allowed to say much.
Charles can do all the comparing he wants, truth is the USA is on its knees. And what the hell are you guys going to do about it, besides fight amongst yourselves.
Every one of you have to become a political activist, in whatever way you can.
Also, strengthen your own immune systems, that is the line of defence we all have. There may never be a vaccine, like with HIV/AIDS, meds might be found to manage it, not vaccinate against it. Adaption is part of staying alive.

58

@57
It's depressing as hell

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@59 -- Let me get this straight

You keep RE-peating:
it KILLS THE VIRUS.

You mention Virus FIVE TIMES.

your 'doktor's'
MAGICAL Elixar
KILLS all Viruses?

Is THAT what you're SAY-ing?
It'll kill the CORONAVIRUS Too?

A pretty SUBSTANTIAL CLAIM
if you asked me. Our
WASHINGTON STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL
does NOT LIKE IT WHEN PEOPLE try to TRICK OTHER PEOPLE IN HIS STATE. he LIKES TO SEND THEM TO JAIL. Will you be taking the Magic Elixar there? Because I hear YOU DON'T WANNA BE IN JAIL IN A .P A N D E M I C.

61

I like how David From Dumbfuckistan is all “whoa, we can’t determine if Sweden’s increasing death rate means thier approach isn’t working for months!”

And yet a month ago David from Dumbfuckistan was already immediately declaring SaH, shutdowns, social distancing as total failures.

Must be all that Lysol he’s been injecting.

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