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"The Lockdown Protesters Aren't the Working Class."

Reminiscent of the fake populism of Tim Eyman's $30 car tabs, which are designed to benefit the owners of new Lexuses and Teslas the most. Which is why "corona freedom" is the perfect second slogan to Tim's gubernatorial campaign. You could say Tim never picked a timelier time to run for governor.

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Re: re-opening

Yeah, fine, whatever, let's get to the most pressing issue, especially in our pants, for the love of the Flying Spaghetti Monster:

When will Inslee announce that we may resume plowing our fuck buddies???

There'd better be fireworks, confetti, and balloons.

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@7 What is pathetic is seeing how quickly tthis spreads and kills, ESPECIALLY when a group of people are confined in a small space together for a prolonged period of time and assholes like you mock how people feel. Please go to a large gathering and get and stay real close to people. People like you need to be the ones getting sick. Then you can tell everyone who doesn't want to catch COVID-19 how pathetic they are. If you survive it.

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Where are all the conservatives shouting “FEDERAL UNDERREACH . WE NEED THE FEDS TO STEP IN AND OVERRIDE STATES RIGHTS!”

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"‘Way Too Late’: Inside Amazon’s Biggest Outbreak"

"A warehouse in the foothills of the Poconos has had more known Covid-19 cases than any of Amazon’s others after missing early opportunities to protect workers."

The Richest Man in the known Universe CANNOT AFFORD TO PROTECT THOSE RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS RICHES.

But, not to Worry:

Suicide Nets will soon be installed on all
Amazon Fullfillingment Centers.
Stay the Fuck Tuned.

Tonnes more at:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/19/technology/amazon-coronavirus-workers.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

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@11, Yep, Godwin's Law. Now if only someone would put in place a similar policy for any politician that compares anything to the Holocaust, except with something more permanent, like, no more job and a stint in a prison for the criminally insane.

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I totally unnerstand GassyD.
It's
just
Capitalism.

And one does NOT make it to The Top by employing Human Beings. Think of them instead as "Units of Production" and your 'conscience' will be 'clear.'

What was your point?

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@4,

How is that anything other than bolstering the case that the guy was being harassed? Looks like they detained him for hanging out in the park on his day off, then made idiots of themselves by demonstrating they don't know how to use their tasers. Not sure what I'm missing.

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ICYMI- Katie Herzog is still laid off, another CV-19 casualty.
but--
parlayed her woes into a sweet little piece in The Atlantic- worth a read-
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/05/dear-graduates-risk-failure-ever-present/611773/

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Herd immunity without a vaccine is by definition not a preventative measure.

The sad fact is that herd immunity just isn't a solution to our pandemic woes. Yes, it may eventually happen anyway, but hoping that it will save us all is just not realistic. The time to discuss herd immunity is when we have a vaccine developed, and not one second earlier, because at that point we will be able to really stop the epidemic in its tracks.

https://www.sciencealert.com/why-herd-immunity-will-not-save-us-from-the-covid-19-pandemic

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@5 - Ahhh, straight to Hitler, thus fatally undermining your own argument...whatever it was.

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kallipugos @20, thanks for the link. I subscribe to The Atlantic and regularly go to their home page, and still I missed that.

Solid stuff as usual from Katie Herzog. And yet still she's furloughed from The Stranger. And yet we still see bylines from (name retracted out of discretion).

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@26, sorry to hear. When did that happen? I just saw the post about the furloughs.

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@27: She was hounded out of The Stranger a few months ago, primarily by staff and readers who don't want anything but echo chamber discourse on Slog. She tried to play the devil's advocate too many times.

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@26,

Oof. With her gone and the 404 ban, things could get noticeably dull around here. Speaking of which... Our old friend Theodore Giraffe seems to have up and disappeared. By the end of the year, this place could wind up looking not much different from the comments section over at Reader's Digest.

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Interestingly, the 404 thing was probably never a bug or a loophole. It seems it was simply that the email verification module for the process was never set up to begin with.

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@31: Why are you so vindictive about it? Katie Herzog has gone on with her life and has the sweet revenge on this one. Makes you look far worse than anything you've said or will say about her.

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mike blob @30, if your idea of dull is no longer seeing comment threads inundated by burner accounts that can't be traced to a user who can be banned or ignored, then I'll take dull. If you want a little more excitement, go to some social media platform where Vladimir Putin's troll farms can still maintain their freedom of expression.

From my standpoint, I believe that if anything the discussion has been more lively since that fix since it's meant the real discussion can't get hijacked and sidetracked.

Also in response to mike blob @30, I've noticed that myself about Theodore G., whose consistent trolling and toxicity got in the way of expressing any coherent, consistent viewpoint. I think what happens with these prolific trolls who make trolling their part-time job is that eventually they find out the hard way that such behavior is about as sustainable as the addictions Ms. Herzog delineates in her Atlantic piece.

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@34: Just like Trump, your voluminous use of superlatives like "nothing to do", "zero effect", "90% of the time" diminishes your credibility.

I use them too, but try not to do excessively.

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@36, Really? Trump's given a number of them. (here's just a few)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2020/02/21/this-is-what-trump-calls-commencement-speech/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/01/10/if-theres-concrete-wall-front-you-go-through-it-trump-said-unearthed-commencement-speech/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2c_nei61mQQ

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@43: Oh, time to pull out name dropping, huh? Tons of us have known Dan over the years. This is Seattle, after all. Business community? Woopdidoo.

Are you trying to impress us? That was absolutely cringeworthy.

Yes it is a small community, but you're not the center of it.

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@25 Plenty of people can defend the WHO and are, but don't let facts get in your way!

Top medical journal blasts Trump for factual error in letter threatening WHO cutoff
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/19/trump-who-letter-error-267995

UN chief defends World Health Organization after Trump cuts U.S. funding
https://www.newsday.com/news/health/coronavirus/united-nations-antonio-guterres-the-world-health-organization-1.43875617

Democratic lawmakers say President Trump does not have authority to unilaterally withhold spending from the World Health Organization
https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2020/04/15/trump-who-democrats/

Experts: Trump's threats to WHO could undercut global health
https://wtov9.com/news/nation-world/experts-trumps-threats-to-who-could-undercut-global-health

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@46 I assume nothing. I posted that information in response to dumbass insisting he's had COVID-19 already (or maybe he hasn't so he'll try to get it) to help along herd immunity. It's most likely, given it's a virus (like the flu) that COVID-19 will NOT have a 100% effective vaccine (it will be a vaccine like the flu vaccine), but no one knows yet. Regardless of the matter of the vaccine, herd immunity will not save people, not from getting sick, not from dying, and not from getting sick again even if they've had COVID-19.

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@55 No fucking clue. (did they ask? he might have just declared it, like with the West Point grads he's ordered to listen to him speak).

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@36- Hmmm, in a way that seems unfair because I took the piece to be an abstraction of a commencement address as opposed to a real one, so we could agree to extend artistic license to her, right?
But- i suspect what you are really saying is that all her prose is infected with a similar solipsism ...
hmmm... well maybe. Or maybe her no more than a lot of the rest of us.
I mean, you know, a lot of people say that I am self-centered?
Yes. Me!

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@51: You only know what you know. Yet you want to take credit about things you couldn't possibly know.

But we can postulate that you're a very agitated person with a short temper. Quite impatient. That typically doesn't add up to being a happy camper.

You're done with your quota. Fine. I wish you peace.

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@51 - Ok bye now.

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Tip: Avoid having multiple browser tabs open to Slog at the same time. You may have already commented.

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@62 I say again:

Herd immunity without a vaccine is by definition not a preventative measure.

The sad fact is that herd immunity just isn't a solution to our pandemic woes. Yes, it may eventually happen anyway, but hoping that it will save us all is just not realistic. The time to discuss herd immunity is when we have a vaccine developed, and not one second earlier, because at that point we will be able to really stop the epidemic in its tracks.

https://www.sciencealert.com/why-herd-immunity-will-not-save-us-from-the-covid-19-pandemic

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To reach herd immunity for COVID-19, likely 70% or more of the population would need to be immune. Without a vaccine, over 200 million Americans would have to get infected before we reach this threshold. Put another way, even if the current pace of the COVID-19 pandemic continues in the United States – with over 25,000 confirmed cases a day – it will be well into 2021 before we reach herd immunity. If current daily death rates continue, over half a million Americans would be dead from COVID-19 by that time.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/from-our-experts/early-herd-immunity-against-covid-19-a-dangerous-misconception

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66: I literally just read that passage earlier today. Figured I'd use some of my time for yet another reading of Frank Herbert's six Dune books. If anyone is looking for possibly the strongest mix of good sci-fi and socio-political musings to ever be printed...check 'em out. At the very least, read the original.

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They may not develop a vaccine that is effective, like they haven’t with HIV, we might have to manage living with it. HIV has been subdued because of anti viral medications.
@62, this virus is taking people from all ages, children getting very sick. If you survive the virus, you may still be left with debilitating fatigue, organ damage.


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