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A jam-packed Slog AM.

Troubling now to see the reproductive rate for the virus now at 1.2 in King County. Anything above 1 means we're losing the battle, and the virus has a chance now of spiraling out of control. By the same token, the daily county-wide case counts don't look too bad:
https://www.kingcounty.gov/depts/health/covid-19/data/daily-summary.aspx

Oh, and I'm curious now what happened to that onetime prolific commenter xina. Last we heard from her was June 10:
https://www.thestranger.com/users/3605165/xina/comments

As exhausting as her comments may have been, I hope she's OK.

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"A dangerous pattern", "misinformation" - Are simply the nasty fruits of a free press. It's disappointing when an originally hopeful and humanitarian movement turns on the media as their adversary.

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Regardless of what you’ve read in the media cases in NV aren’t “spiking”. There has been a rise in cases due to testing and transmission from reopening. You see Monday spikes because testing results are held up over the weekend. It’s been about 14 days since most things have reopened though there are still a fair amount of restrictions.

The seven day rolling average has gone up in the last week a percentage point or so but has started to trend down again. It’s at about 4% which is under the WHO target for reopening at 5%. At one point it was under 3%.

As of today the seven day rolling average was 171 cases a day and 1.7 deaths per day. Total number of tests were 42000 during that time. The cumulative rate over the pandemic is 5.2% as of this morning down from almost 13% early on. The overall infection rate is about 5% of the population or about what it is in WA. Fatalities are about 5% of those infected.

Hospitalizations have flattened to about 20% capacity overall counting Covid and deaths are largely flat. There are tests now for anyone that wants them and those in the resort industry are required to test prior to returning to work and regularly once back at work. Just over 8% of the states population has been tested. About 6.5% of those living in Las Vegas have been tested. They have slowed the reopening phases while keeping an eye on the rates.

It ain’t going away. It’s going to be here for a while. What you are seeing in the NV number right now is how a well managed reopening and proactive testing program works.

https://nvhealthresponse.nv.gov/

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Someone needs to get a #MikePenceIsGoingtoHell hashtag going every time he bears false witness. Also pair that with a #MikePenceBearsFalseWitness hashtag.

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I just hope that the Canadians, French, Germans, Japanese, or Koreans develop the vaccine, cause I'm sure as hell not signing up for any of Dr. Tr666p's Miracle Hydroxykookoojuice.

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Instead of toppling and destroying statues of confederate generals, conquistadores, etc. - they should go to a National Hall of Same museum in Washington D.C.

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That's not a bad idea, Raindrop dear. Display the statues with an accompanying narration of their atrocities. It will show them for the grandiloquent buffoons there were.

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There are hundreds of those statues around the country, many made from cheap pot metal. It would be interesting to see them all gathered into a big mound. Or standing in array in a hole like those ancient terra cotta warriors in China.

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@12 or melted down and turned into toilet paper holders.

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@8

Sure, they don't care, but if there's a chance to shove something in his face, shouldn't we take it? And for those claiming to be Christians, which is the basis of their moral high ground, this would directly attack their brand.

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@13

There isn't an auto shop in CHOP.

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@16 - No, but Care Tender is in the same neighborhood so your superfluous detail doesn't negate @13's points.

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Do CHOP citizens want police protection when the Proud Boys show up?

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Shit, me and at least two others are still waiting for the SPD to show up to an accident for a little over a year now here in Queen Anne. We all called 911 but just wound up helping the girl ourselves.

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Great round-up, Rich! You managed to touch on many points that have been floating around certain extremist online circles about CHOP.

Also, in the videos of the Proud Boys from yesterday, it appears they removed the license plates from their car, which seems to indicate their actions were premeditated, and could potentially carry stiffer sentencing if they are found guilty of any crimes.

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@18-20

So the surrounding neighborhood is CHOP as well? I'm all for expansion but it hasn't happened yet.

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@25
Well, I live at 10th & Union, so maybe a little bit more than "150 feet" away, but only by a few, and honestly the only thing I've been concerned about is Proud Boy Boogaloo Bullshit fucksticks pulling shit on my block. I can't speak to the story you're talking about as I don't pay for the Times and there's been a pattern of initial reports of things being faulty so I'd need more information, fair, but outside of the fuckstick weekend looky-loos I've seen nothing at all concerning, and if by your logic I happen to live in CHOP by virtue of direct proximity I couldn't be happier.

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I passed through the Tri-Cities over the weekend, apart from employees I did not see as many masks. It doesn't bother me but it helps explain the situation. I think many Americans are naturally stubborn, and it's reasonable to take that into account when setting your expectations or crafting regulations.

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Rich seems to have a perma-woodie over CHAZ/CHOP. It's everything he's ever dreamed of. Meanwhile, in the real world, life goes on.

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@2 I am fine. Things are happening IRL that require my attention and honestly I do not have the bandwidth to deal with the ever increasing, relentless posting by trolls here. So I guess the trolls have won. If the Stranger (and I) survive the pandemic, maybe I'll return, but my guess is the longer I am away, the less I will care to return.

I'll leave with one last comment, since people are pushing the "there's no new cases, just an increase in testing" agenda (which is total bullshit, but enjoy eating shit, yum yum yum, all y'all conservative ostriches with your heads in the sand). I bid you all a collective:
BYE FELICIA.

(From the New York Times)

As leading infectious disease experts in the U.S. warn that the coronavirus is not going anywhere, some officials in parts of the country have paused reopening plans and threatened renewed shutdowns.

On Monday, Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo of New York again called on local governments to enforce the state’s restrictions on reopening, though he did not single out New York City. A day earlier, he said that the state had been deluged with some 25,000 complaints about businesses that were “in violation of the reopening plan.” Governors in Oregon and Utah said last week they were pausing reopening plans after seeing cases rise. “I don’t want to go forward and then take a step backward,” Gov. Gary Herbert of Utah said on Thursday, adding that he did not intend to enact any additional restrictions on businesses. And Gov. Kate Brown of Oregon said on Thursday that her state was placing county applications for reopenings on hold for a week, in order to give public health experts time to ensure that the virus wasn’t spreading too quickly.

Experts have said that without a vaccine about 70% of the population would need to be infected and develop immunity in order to stop the virus’s spread, a concept called herd immunity. The current number of confirmed cases in the U.S. is over 2 million, less than 1% of the U.S. population, according to a New York Times database.

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For those who find The Seattle Times paywall unsurmountable and lack the intellectual curiosity to find other news sources of the event:

https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/protests/seattle-business-owner-says-police-never-responded-to-a-burglary-at-his-shop-in-the-chop/281-8cdad6b9-87ce-45cb-8fa7-05871d1bbe56

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Right wing people in the hinterlands absolutely hate the urban portion of western WA while having nothing to do with it. Yet they will still click the Amazon buy now button on their virus riddled Windows computers and stop by a Starbucks to round things off for the day.

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@32. I use Firefox, but to get around the paywall. Tools-->Page Info-->Security-->Clear cookies and site data. I think you get around 5 times and then you do it all over again! Also, I am a paying subscriber for the tree version but they have been unhelpful with giving me access.

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@32
Thanks, and, yeah, that story...doesn't give a lot of information. I'll wait for the police report that was collected before going with "business owner says".

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@31

Take care; I've always thought you were a badass.

I disappeared for a while because of all the bigoted BS that the Stranger tacitly endorsed by giving ink to that now departed shithead whose juvenile writing that appeared in her single-perspective articles pretty much always amplified rightwing bigotry.

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There was a guy filming the whole interaction on Twitch/Youtube for those interested in seeing it.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRg3iM5LLfA&fbclid=IwAR1B2dpncs7WToMADVdhYx3slFySVQCF1vJtMPBD7YgAJ6wE3II7-2PFHNQ

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xina @31, glad to see you're fine. Glad to see you're just as well-intentioned and over-the-top as ever.

As for "the ever increasing, relentless posting by trolls here"--the ever increasing part is simply not true now that they've fixed the burner accounts bug. Never mind that that "Ken Mehlman" account was deleted along with all of its posts.

And I do find it quirky to see people posting over 200 words from another publication, never mind whether or not it's copyright infringement. (God knows I might have done the same a few times myself.) Of course, I am in complete agreement as to the sentiment of what you're posting.

A couple things to keep in mind should you decide to post again:
* The trolls are always going to get the last word in.
* The trolls are not your audience.

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@33:

They're also more than happy to take the tax money contributed by the urban west-side while simultaneously berating the "Nanny Welfare State" of which they are direct beneficiaries.

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@34 - whatever you do, don't use a private browsing window to view the Seattle Times. There is some kind of bug or something so the paywall is not effective.

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@33 - they also seem to hate the roads we pay for, the schools that we subsidize, etc. (oh, wait, looks like they LOVE that stuff). Hmmmm. Go figure.

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OK, watched the video. It appears to be promoted in some way by Tucker Carlson which makes it suspect from the get-go, but there's two things happening regardless of your political viewpoint. First, a couple of guys (one with a gun) who say that they caught someone robbing their business. And second, a larger group of people who apparently made them let the alleged perp go. One of these was a guy who was making all kinds of threats and pushing people around (I could not tell from the video angle whether he was initially roughing up the alleged perp a bit or yelling at everyone else).

Regardless of how you feel about business owners, capitalism, BLM, or cops, what was happening there was people who felt they had been violated in some way taking things into their own hands. The shop owners arming up and going after someone themselves, and the members of the group on the street apparently intervening for the side they thought was right.

I make no judgment on whether there actually was a break-in, or whether the dude in the video did it, or whether the crowd really made the business guys let the dude go, and in a sense it doesn't matter.

BUT - this kind of thing is a recipe for real violence and people making mistakes. imagine for a second that the kid was actually not robbing the business, and the owners had mistakenly identified him and inured/killed him. Or imagine that a much larger group coalesced on the street, and the business owners' gun wound up getting taken off them and used to harm them or someone else. No way that is not going to escalate, and no way that people who did nothing wrong are not going to get hurt.

There is a reason that our legal system frowns on "self-help" and assigns law enforcement to the state. None of this excuses bad cop behavior, but I am not sure that everyone taking things into his/her own hands is any better. Members of a posse or mob or whatever you chose to call it are no more accountable than police and, I'd wager, even more likely to get it wrong.

So what do people suggest we do to keep some sort of order (here, consider that there may or may not have been a crime committed, the business owners may or may not have been victims of said crime, and that there may or may not have been a young guy falsely accused of a crime and put in some danger)?

Even if you take the position that protecting property should not be a priority and the cops should not respond to strictly property crimes, what about arguments that go bad? I'd submit that having everyone just sort it out with their fists/knives/guns etc. is a bad idea. I'm seriously asking what the best approach is?

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@2 & @39 cressona and @31 xina: I'm glad you're both among those of us still here and that you're fine. I'm doing what I can to stay healthy. So far, so good. It's appalling, however, to see all the people not wearing masks who actually laugh at those of us who try to retain social distancing and follow COVID-19 health and public safety precautions, as passed down by Governor Jay Inslee, and Bellingham Mayor, Seth Fleetwood.
@31 xina: Keep on being a badass, xina. We need you. You tell everything as it truly IS.

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Holy cow, how the news cycle has accelerated in the past couple weeks. My theory is CV-19 has made the whole world go a little nuts.
In international news today, the top story might be some belligerent acting out on the part of the Norks, or...
It might be the border skirmish between India and China - Vox has a good take on it here -
https://www.vox.com/2020/6/16/21293158/india-china-border-fight-dead-army
estimates of 40 - 60 deaths possible
Seems surreal to me that here you have two nuclear-armed nations in the 21st Century and they are going at each other with rocks and sticks.
The Sharks and the Jets at 14,000 feet, can you imagine? I hope someone has some cell phone footage of that melee.
I imagine it is similar to a lot of our problems here with policing- put a uniform on some people and they get intoxicated with their authority.
Let's hope cooler heads prevail.

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@45 I have the "new Opera" as well and I had higher hopes for it along with the built in VPN but some other sites and not the ST complain about it so I mostly gave it up. If you have FF running all the blocking bells and whistles that is the way to do so in which I described.

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Seattle COVID cases are actually still going down.

Low rate of both infection and antibodies.

Masks, wash hands, social distance, avoid Trump plague carriers.

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@31- take care of yourself.


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