Slog PM: Joe Manchin Sucks, Kyrsten Sinema Sucks, Zebra Mussels Suck, but Percy Rules

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Kyrsten Sinema is proof positive that Democrats can be horrible people. It's just not a requirement, like it is with Republicans.

(The same is true of Joe Manchin, but at least he doesn't try to gussy himself up with hipster styling)

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"After two years of protests to preserve democracy in Hong Kong, today the authoritarian capitalist country announced a plan to take control of HK's elections."

The United States announced a plan to take control of Hong Kong's elections?

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Cuttlefish might be smart about causality but they have bad taste in arthropods: crab is better than shrimp.

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"insulate the tax from a statewide referendum."
Insulate?! Don't you mean not allowing?
Why? When you change the Constitution of The State of Washington this suddenly and abruptly why would anyone think it's citizens should not be allowed to vote on it?

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re Sinema: she got her start in the Green Party. Nothing good ever came out of that wretched hive.

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I can kind of maybe understand Manchin's minimum wage stance (not agree with it but understand it) from the point of view of West Virginia's economy. But from the point of view of West Virginia's economy I can't understand his beef with the UI extension. A metric shit-ton of his constituents must be on unemployment.

Also has no one talked to him before today? Hello, Pelosi? Schumer shouldn't someone have found out his stance on this like a month ago?

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That little dance makes me want to smack Sinema. About as un-Senatorial as I could imagine.

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This relief bill makes me want to vomit. Increase unemployment benefits ... hell yes. Support testing, vaccinations, healthcare ... hell yes. Cut checks for people who have been 100% employed over the last year ... Hell no. I don't care if you make $10/hr or $1,000/hr, you don't deserve shit if you did not file for unemployment.

A quick summary from Slate - 'The bill includes $1,400 payments for most adults and for each of their dependents. That means households will receive much larger payments than Congress delivered in the Coronavirus Aid, Relief and Economic Security (CARES) Act in March 2020, which paid $1,200 per adult but only $500 per child.

A family of four earning less than $150,000 stands to receive $5,600 in direct payments from the bill, compared to $3,400 from the CARES Act. (Two-earner households earning above $200,000 will get nothing.)'

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Why would anyone outside the puget sound region want an income tax when they can just leech off the wealth generated there then cry on the internet about welfare?

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@6 The sticking point for President Munchkin was how long the additional unemployment benefits would last. He doesn't want to give money to people who can work. I think that the benefits were originally set to expire on September 30th and the compromise moved them to September 6th. The assumption is that we will have herd immunity by then and the highly stimulated economy will be back to its pre-pandemic level. If that assumption is incorrect, Congress will be back from Summer recess by the 6th and the benefit can be extended.

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10: You do wonder, though...what did people on unemployment ever do to Manchin? And why he is so much more uptight about things like this than he was about Trump's massive-and utterly pointless- tax cuts and bailouts for the corporate types who've scored windfall profits all through the pandemic and therefore had no legitimate claim to any need for "relief" at all? He's all for whatever Bezos and Gates demand, but screw anybody who's in ACTUAL need?

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@11 If I remember correctly, President Munchkin voted against the Trump tax cuts. He is probably concerned about deficit spending. The assumption is that anyone that needs a job will be able to get one by September 6th. Those that are in actual need will get an extra $300 a month until then. And if the unemployment rate isn't below 4% (?) by then, the Dems will bend the knee and ask the President for more money. And this is as good as it gets for the next couple of years.

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@1 Catalina Vel-DuRay for the WIN! Agreed and seconded. I have nothing more to add.

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@5 You are 100% right. The Green Party leaders have cornered the market on gleeful destruction and spite. If there is a difference between them and MAGA it is a slight one.

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More to the point, Sinema and Manchin need to be re-elected, or the Dems are screwed.
The Covid relief bill will pass momentarily, and Biden will keep his 60% approval rating.
The real question remains how the Senate passes the rest of House legislation already approved, and how much of that the Supreme Court will strike down.

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@8: Don't worry, if recipients who are gainfully employed receive checks and pay down their consumer debt, it won't cause inflation enough to spook the Federal Reserve into raising interest rates.

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If the goal is to help people who are unemployed a one-time payment of $1400 isn’t going to do much. We help the unemployed by increasing/extending UI. We stimulate the economy by giving cash to people regardless of their employment status to drive up consumer demand & increase employment, also helping the unemployed.

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@15 is exactly right. Having Manchin vote the way we'd really like on some things now and then lose his seat is a terrible outcome. "Majority Leader McConnell" is not a term I EVER want to hear again.

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And re Rich's "paltry $15" comment - if passed it would likely be the highest minimum wage in the world. See: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/minimum-wage-by-country

I kinda think that is why this is a heavy lift. Not that we should not do it but it is not going to be a slam dunk.

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@20 dvs99, playing not to lose is what gets Dems in this mess over and over again.

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Sorry, I would refuse to talk to a doctor via an Amazon app. Sales data fine. Medical history, no.

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@19 Professor Ass Clown (couldn’t resist). The acts I’m referencing take into account folks in that situation ... which btw I’m all for supporting. Note it’s an NPR link, so it should align with your news sources.
https://www.npr.org/local/305/2020/04/13/833332449/what-gig-workers-need-to-know-about-collecting-unemployment

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the $1400 payment is an economic stimulus not an unemployment benefit

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We need more worker's cooperatives that would put workers in power over their own industries.
Amazon is such a disgrace with its union busting programs that hurt so many.

The benefits of Amazon becoming a worker's cooperative would be immense for them and the communities. Nothing is impossible with worker unity.

$15.00 an hour is nothing. Why aren't we demanding that the super rich pay high taxes???
They have robbed labor blind.

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People who make $84 an hour don't think people who work for a living deserve the poverty wage of $15 an hour. When did congress make $30K/year? In the 1960s.
https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/senate_salaries.htm

Not one Republican voted for the COVID relief bill. Not one.

They all voted for the $1.9 Trillion tax cut scam for corporations and the already obscenely wealthy.

Plenty of them voted for sedition (148 to be exact).

The endless defense of the wealthy robbing of every possible cent they can get from the people who WORK in this country is obscene.

The endless defense of Republicanism and its allegiance to white supremacy and the destruction of everything in the name of profit is obscene.

All of the hand wringing about the cost of helping the people in this country through this horrific, never ending pandemic (thanks to Trump and the Republicans choosing to do nothing and allow as many people as possible to suffer, get sick, and die as possible) is obscene.

Easiest way to mitigate financial damage done by giving taxpayers taxpayer money during a pandemic? Gut the salaries of those in congress and tax corporations and the wealthy to the extreme. Enough whining about what will happen and just do it. Just fucking get it done.

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@29 xina joins Catalina Vel-DuRay @1 for the WIN! Since bipartisanship is dead, l propose two steps in overturning the abysmal Trumpian damage added to the past forty years since Reagan-era deregulation:

Step #1: We gut all high salaries for Republicans in the Senate, House, SCOTUS, and especially in Congress, reducing their annual pay down to the federal minimum wage. Let's see how well Kyrstyn Sinema, Mitch McConnell, Lyndsey Graham, Ted Cruz, ad nauseum do on $7.25 an hour with no benefits or company healthcare.

Step #2: TAX THE FUCKING INSANELY RICH ALREADY! Overturn Trump's $1.9 trillion handout to the corporations. Anybody still wringing their hands on this one should read kristofarian's* post (in another SLOG article) on the Walton family's annual income, net worth, and shameful level of gluttony. That ALONE should be enough to make the average working class U.S. citizen ill enough to invoke change to so broken a system.

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@29 and @30 - please be accurate:

Covid relief bill - 1.9 trillion
Trump 2017 tax cut - 2.3 trillion

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@32: $ 1.9 trillion for an Economic Relief Stimulus Package and $2.3 trillion in tax cuts for batshit crazy rich. President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris are having to undo a shitload of RepubliKKKan-induced damage, regardless of the dollar amount.
I'll be more "accurate" when you're more articulate, Elmer. My point was to tax the ridiculously wealthy already, and reverse Trumpty Dumpty's white collar criminally insane 2017 tax cut for itself and its fellow 1%ers.

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