Slog AM: Seattle Converts Hotel into Shelter and a Traffic Jam at the Suez Canal

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1

This is America, you dont need a motive to go on a shooting spree, it's just a way of life, like going to a baseball game. Small price to pay for the illusion of freedom.

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My experience with video games starts with Pac Man and ends with Super Mario Bros, but I can't help but wonder if the proliferation of first person shooter games - while a good way to get aggression out - isn't desensitizing in some capacity. I'm not a 'what about the children?!?' person, but from a logic standpoint I have to wonder. Perchance they are a bit TOO immersive.

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I'm not really a dog person, but that westminster video was cute. What kind of dog is that anyway?

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Is the US the only country in the world with first person shooting games because we seem to be the only country with a chronic spree murder problem

It will never not be insane to me that people will look for any possible explanation other than the proliferation and accessibility of guns when trying to understand why we have near-daily mass murder events

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@2,

You mean in reference to gun violence?

If violent first person shooter video games desensitized people to gun violence, China and Japan would have daily bloodbaths. They consume tons more of that than the U.S.

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Every time this happens we are asked to pretend that if you get rid of guns all these people will figure out how to murder multiple people in a fit of rage with a butter knife or whatever because it's the sheer force of their will to murder that determines their success and not the efficiency of guns themselves. Criminals like guns for the same exact reasons the good guys like them, but we are asked to suspend disbelief and assume that killers will achieve the exact same outcome no matter what weapon they use.

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@4 - I think that's a Papillon. They get their name from the "butterfly" look of their ears. I would assume, anyway.

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@5 - Who says the two are mutually exclusive? In fact, no mental gymnastics required, you could probably draw a straight line between the two.

For the record, I've never owned a gun. And never had the need for one. Funny how that works. I would be happy if the only guns allowed were hunting rifles. Or, you can be a true baller like myself, and bow hunt.

So what I'm saying is, don't put words in my mouth. I'm not looking for another reason other than guns for all this madness. You don't know me. Fuckface.

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"you don't know me" never said i did but fortunately i don't need to know you to know your comment was stupid

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@9,

There's evidence that consuming media violence does lead to some reduction in sensitivity to violence:

https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/violence-media-what-effects-behavior

One of the problems in teasing that stuff out is that it's messy. There's a lot of factors that are hard to control for.

Researchers can test short term stuff by doing controlled experiments with random samples either exposed to violence or not, and then testing their immediate behaviors (and when they do that, yeah, there's slightly higher violence among the group exposed to violent media). But long term? It's just impossible to test. You can't do an experiment where you hold subjects captive for several years and choose what exposure they get. So all evidence in long term effects is correlational... they can't tell what the true causes of violence are because there's so many uncontrolled variables.

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Do shoot-em-up computer games make people more violent? I like watching "My Feet Are Killing Me" on TV, but it doesn't make me want to be a podiatrist. In fact, it makes me really, really not want to be a podiatrist.

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A push for gun control is the quickest way to Republican majorities in 2022 and 2024.

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Videogames aren't a primary cause of mass shootings, and to suggest they are is an extreme case of missing the wood for the trees.

American culture is massively tolerant of violence. This is why Germany, China or Japan, for instance, don't have a similar phenomenon of gun violence, but DO have an roughly similar consumption of violent media (not limited to videogames).

Americans just give many fewer fucks about horrific things happening to our countrymen. I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions about what that says about our culture, but it ain't pretty.

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A failure to act on legislation supported by >90% of voters for fear of what republicans might say about it would be a bigger obstacle for democrats in the midterms than the alternative. It’s not just about your opponents, who always manage to find something to criticize; you also need to give your own voters a reason to support you.

16

In 1994 after the Democratic congress passed the assault weapons ban, their majorities in the House and Senate were completely wiped out in the next election and the Republicans won unified control of Congress for the first time since 1952.

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If you're curious about the relationship between videogames and violence, you're in luck, there's more than three decades of published research on the topic available:

https://www.jstor.org/action/doBasicSearch?Query=videogame+violence
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=video+game+violence

Spoiler: after 30 years of study there is no scientific or academic consensus that video games exacerbate violent behavior, or mitigate it, or have no effect at all. But if you're mainly interested in just digging up some studies to prop up whatever prebaked argument you're nursing along, chances are you'll find a few without too much trouble, there's plenty to choose from.

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God. Are we really going to do the five thousandth iteration of "Video games are to blame for X?"

No society had video games in the 1800's. They didn't have violent TV. Or violent movies. They hardly had violent literature by any modern standards.

But "society" was provably, markedly, insanely, casually, god damned universally more fucking violent. In every conceivable way. It has nothing to do with god damned media. There was no electronic "media" that put ideas into people's heads when they went around beating their wives or slaughtering natives.

Society in total now is less violent NOW than probably at any time in human history. And yet we are saturated in violent media more explicit than any time in history. I guess unless you consider gladiatorial arena's "media."

That argument is dead. Gone. Buried.

However what we lack in frequency we make up for in intensity and capacity. And in the US that because of guns and the reflexively paranoid might-makes-right culture surrounding them. A culture perpetuates a similar sort of violent "mighty individualist" myths that existed in the 1800's.

That's fucking it. The incestuous and fallacious ouroboros of guns and gun culture.

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"The first hotel will cost $8.3 million to run with full-security and live-in staff from the Low-Income Housing Insitute . . . ."

What?! That works out to just under $60,000 per person annually. That has to be the most expensive temporary housing solution of all time.

Meanwhile, LIHI is building tiny houses for just $2,700. (source: https://lihi.org/2020/04/15/new-tiny-houses-for-60-homeless-people-opens-on-april-15/#:~:text=LIHI%20operates%2012%20tiny%20house,windows%2C%20and%20a%20lockable%20door.)

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@17 BULLSHIT Gun ownership rates, despite a few spikes in sales, have been falling steadily for four god damned decades. Sales are up. Rates are down.

"American gun ownership drops to lowest in nearly 40 years"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/06/29/american-gun-ownership-is-now-at-a-30-year-low/

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@20 probably a lot more than that now what with the cost of materials lately...been doing some stuff at my POS house lately to fix it and all I gotta say is OOF

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@17, Mmm, but you've left out the most common form of gun violence: suicide.

And suicide is up about 15% over the past 10 years. Up 30% over the past 20 years, when it really began to take off.

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There’s as much evidence that the Boulder shooting was religious terrorism as there is evidence that the Atlanta one was racist terrorism, but yet the Stranger is willing to speculate on the motives of only one of the two shooters.

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@16 Gee. What else happened in 1994. Hmmmm. It's a puzzler.

I think it rhymed with Shmox Shmewz. Shmite Walter. Shmeshul Sprosakutor Shmen Shmar. And Shmalla Shmones. Oh. And Shmary Shmandering.

PS. Which they lost again in 2001 and 2007. But anyway.

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@17 Good fuck you are a liar.

You can look up suicide rates, dipfuck.
Suicides per 100,000

US (ranks 34th): 13.7
France (ranks 48th): 12.1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

And as for the claim "many other" OEDC nations where guns are more restricted? Well. I encourage others to go look for them selves as per what the weasel word "many" means. When "many" more that have lower suicide rates.

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@24 Are you claiming that the Boulder shooter knew the religions of his victims? How is that?

Because I don't know if you know this but you can't SEE what religion somebody is but you sure as shit can see if they are Asian.

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The gun nuts on SLOG are so willing to blatantly lie so often it makes me think that lie detectors would be used as a purchasing requirement. Or that delusional mental illness is consistent trait among gun nuts.

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@27 I think what our friend means is that the shooter has an Arabic-sounding name and mentioned Islam occasionally on Facebook. And it's totally not racist to assume he's a radical jihadist based on that.

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@2:
Helpful stats here: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/10/04/mass-shootings-more-deadly-frequent-research-215678/

Summary:
1. Rates of mass shootings have not shown a dramatic increase since the 1980s -- so the common perception that there is a recent "epidemic" in such crimes is untrue.
2. First-person-shooter DOOM came out in 1993. The following 5 years actually show a slight downward trend. If first-person shooter games were a major contributing factor to mass shootings we might expect to see the opposite.
3. As others on this thread have mentioned, studies attempting to link playing violent video games with subsequent increases in violent behavior have shown no such link. There is simply no evidence that playing violent video games makes one go out and shoot people.
4. One reason for the common perception that mass shootings are more common today is that the average number of victims HAS risen since the 1970s. This is one area where hardware may play a role -- maybe an AR-15 is just a more efficient killing tool?
5. However, there is also no strong correlation shown between laws restricting such weapons and a subsequent decline in rates of mass shootings.

Here are the areas of study I would like to see investigated in relation to the noted increase in fatalities-per-shooting
1. What is the relationship between weapon choice / availability and increased fatality?
2. Even if first-person shooters don't make people more violent, do they give those who play them, especially those with a propensity for real-world violence, better aim, faster reaction times, more advanced tactical thinking? In short, are mass shooters using them to "train?"

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@25 Nothing more motivating to the Republican voter base than gun control.

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@31 And ONLY the base. 25% of Republicans favor stricter gun laws.

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Suicide rates are going up in the U.S., but declining in the rest of the world.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2019-02-07/global-suicide-rate-declines-while-us-rate-rises-study-finds

It's almost like living in this country is becoming increasingly more and more unbearable.

I wonder why...
https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/01/09/trends-in-income-and-wealth-inequality/

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A huge majority of Americans, including >80% of gun owners, support universal background checks and banning assault weapons

https://www.americanprogress.org/press/release/2015/11/17/125618/release-gun-owners-overwhelmingly-support-background-checks-see-nra-as-out-of-touch-new-poll-finds/

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/07/poll-most-voters-support-assault-weapons-ban-1452586

The argument that democrats should never follow through on any of the promises they made to the people who voted them into office because it might make republicans mad is the stuff of abusive relationships. Democrats were elected to lead the country, not to tip-toe around republicans and hope they agree to play nice. This was a stupid strategy during the Obama years but after Trump it's fucking suicidal.

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@29 Right. Exactly so. And yet he would've had no idea if he was shooting Muslims or Buddhists or whatever.

If #24 is claiming religious extremism is a problem, then duh. I agree that the the devoutly religious are often mentally unbalanced. And thus religious extremism can be an obvious factor in the dangerous mental state of shooters - JUST LIKE THE SHOOTER IN ATLANTA!

But, you know, the essential detail is the commonality of the intended victims.

The boulder guy went out at random and shot people with random religious affiliations. Though I think most were white. So it could be racial grievance motivated. But Boulder is overwhelmingly white so any public space he targeted is going to be white.

However we do know one thing. The Atlanta guy went after Asian women specifically. So the The Stranger was not "speculating." It's a fact.

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@34 one of the most puzzling claims of these trolls is that they say they vote for democrats but only want them to craft policy like republicans.

It's like they're all: "I want people in office who are not totally unbalanced and crazy but I'd like the same unbalanced and crazy policies that unbalanced and crazy people like."

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I blame Marilyn Manson

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@21:

He's also leaving out the fact - to which you allude - that while there are more guns out there, the overwhelming majority have been/are being purchased by the same terrified, paranoid, xenophobic white people who already own huge numbers of guns. These people are so fucking afraid - of literally everything that doesn't look, sound, believe or behave exactly the same as themselves - that they're convinced (with help from the national gun lobby and their sycophants) having more guns is the only way to protect themselves from whatever Armageddon/race war is surely going to go down ANY DAY NOW.

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@30 The hypothesis that practicing aiming a video-game gun will make a person better at aiming a real gun seems unlikely to merit much in the way of research grant money. The head and hand movements involved are radically different; it's not just a matter of locating and interpreting various guages, as in a flight sim.

And as for tactics... I'd hesitate to call mowing down unsuspecting people in an everyday environment a "tactical situation." You don't need to graduate from West Point to kill a whole lot of people that way.

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@39 Some games do display some fairly realistic tactical formations if you wanted to, in a very rudimentary way, familiarize yourself with the sort of things police might do in response. it might be helpful. Be only after you're already determined to do what you're doing to do.

But you are so right that shooting for real are so entirely different and specifically getting shot AT for real is entirely different. That no. it is not preparation for anything in any serious way.

It's precisely the video game mentality that gives gun nuts a vastly over estimated and distorted view of their abilities in a defensive firearms situation.

I think what video games HAVE done is convinced a generation of dipshits that Call of Duty has prepared them to be Good Guys With Guns.

And all you have to do is real reality to dispel these fantasies.

Like when Chris Kyle, a navy SEAL with extensive combat experience, was shot, while armed, WITH HIS OWN GUN by the drugged out lunatic Eddie Ray Routh. While standing next to his armed expert shooter friend. Who was also killed. While standing in the Rough Creek Ranch-Lodge-Resort shooting range surrounded by good guys with guns. And the shooter got way without a scratch. And surrendered to his unarmed sister.

So gun nuts. You think you're a better shooter than Chris Kyle?

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@41 Buh Buh buh buh buh... Ownership rates are falling. Period. It is a fact. Keep fucking that chicken, Trollflake.

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@42 Only if you, you know, ignore reality.

The suicide rate in France decreased by 26% between 2003 and 2014. It's been trending down for over a decade. The US has been trending up. Data from 2018-2019:
https://data.oecd.org/healthstat/suicide-rates.htm

Keep fucking that chicken, Trollflake.

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The "total number available" doesn't mean shit if huge percentages of guns are locked up in a bunch of arsenals awaiting armageddon but it's kind of amazing that the 'facts 2 support ur point' guy is outright lying about facts that anyone can view with their own eyes. Gun ownership rates are not "flat or down slightly", they are on a steady downward trajectory and have been for decades. You don't even have to read the article, just look at the plot.

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47, that has absolutely nothing to do with anything we're talking about and is a complete misunderstanding of the "tyranny of the majority" argument you're trying to make, which is about the judiciary serving as a check on majority-supported laws that deny people their constitutional rights. You do not have a constitutional right to not be subject to a background check before you buy a gun.

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like how tf do you go from "democrats should act on the promises they made to their voters" to "THE TYRANNY OF TEH MAJORITYE!!!11!"

Do you not understand how elections work? They're supposed to have consequences? We don't elect representatives to tend the capitol grounds, they're supposed to pass laws in accordance with their campaign promises and platforms. If your first thought when someone says "the people we elected should do the things we elected them to do" is to invoke some cliche about majority rule you might need to have your skull examined because you're not making any sense.

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Just carve out an exclusion for private sales, and Joe Manchin will be aboard for new gun control legislation on background checks -- and maybe a few R senators.

It's a start.

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@35 Atlanta went after prostitutes posing as massage therapists who were Asian. If such establishments were as frequently staffed by white women, and he nevertheless sought out those staffed by Asian women, that would be evidence of racism. That’s not the case and isn’t what happened. He certainly targeted women as a misplaced assault on his own proclivities, which I agree is an effect of his religious extremism that I previously overlooked. We might infer he was motivated by racial hatred since he’s white and most of the victims were Asian, but inference isn’t evidence. In the case of Boulder, as opposed to Atlanta, there’s no confessed motive yet; but if we’re cool with publicizing inferences, why not infer that a mass shooter with a Muslim name (it is a Muslim name, whether or not he is) in a world where Islamic extremism has been the confessed inspiration for a significant number of recent mass casualty events might have been motivated by religious hatred? I’m not advocating that we should - I’m saying we shouldn’t, in both cases, because (a) the deniability is plausible in each, (b) arguments to the contrary evidence only the sad, ego-driven desperation of so many to perform anti-racism.

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@51. Oh. Christ. All. Mighty.

“If only reality was an entirely different reality where Asian women were white women and some how this new reality then fetishized white women identically to how the current reality fetishizes Asian women... well, then I’d be right!”

Get the fuck outta here.

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"410,000 counterfeit oxycodone pills containing fentanyl": what a sobering, terrifying statistic about that bust. The annual rate of deaths in King County due to (usually unwitting) ingestion of fentanyl has soared since 2015, and it is STILL rising. Whatever you do, don't ever trust "oxycodone" not to be laced with fentanyl. And seek help if at all possible. COVID-19 understandably dominates health care crisis news--but it's not the only crisis. And shame a billion times over to anyone who would knowingly sell anything laced with fentanyl.

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@53 Is fentanyl cheaper than Oxy? I had no idea. I thought fentanyl was still some exotic drug.

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I blame "Buffalo Bill's Wild West (Show) and Congress of Rough Riders of the World".

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its great that the city is housing people that need it but they also have to have the stomach to deal with the tents in every single greenbelt, park, pretty much anywhere you look - that is not safe, "humane", clean, etc...

all around Greenlake/Lower Woodland along Aurora is a disgrace. greenlake has RV's taking up up huge amounts of parking that regular ol people should be able to use when visiting a lovely (for now, sort of) Seattle park.

so yes, house people but also get a grip on reality here and get tents/camps out of our parks and greenbelts. maybe a FEMA style tent/barracks set up in an industrial zone somewhere.

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Nice reference to pussy stuffing Nat! How many pairs of panties(or octopi if Japanese) can that dirty slut Suez get up there?

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@54 is out of touch. Fentanyl is as ubiquitous as COCAINE AND MALT LIQUOR.

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@58

Ok... that was pretty good.

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@54 Fentanyl is typically 50 to 100 times more potent than morphine. Its extreme potency makes it cheaper to produce drugs to which fentanyl is added, such as heroin, cocaine, and even legal drugs like Percocet. Fentanyl can be used legally, most often as a patch, to help minimize the pain of cancer patients and in a few other cases. But legal use needs to be very carefully administered. Illegally produced fentanyl, especially when mixed with heroin, often proves fatal. It is nothing to mess with recreationally. Help a friend or family member find help if that person is addicted to any drug often mixed with fentanyl. Fentanyl is dangerous, and these days, often--often--mixed with other drugs.

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How many pairs of panties(or octopi for our Japanese friends) can that dirty slut Suez get up there? Wait. Am I the only one who read the Suez post and picked up on the "stuffing" metaphor?

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@60 Thank you. I learnt something today!

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@52 Game over

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@13, @16, @31: Getting bored in your private, gated little Bellevue Archie Bunker hole, again, Swifty? Tired of Gunsmoke reruns? And the pizza guy won't be there for another hour......well, shit. What to do. What to do. What to do....
Hey--here's an idea: maybe by applying a little adhesive you could...stick to your GUNS! You could be a real blast at parties! Become your own trophy!
But I dunno...you might still be tested at the Pearly Gates, Swifty. What will you do if Saint Peter is in the form of a lion and you suddenly have Hell to pay?
And you can't take your GUNS with you, either, regardless of where you're permanently laid to rest.

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Einstein, James Dean, Brooklyn's got a winning team
Davy Crockett, Peter Pan, Elvis Presley, Disneyland
Bardot, Budapest, Alabama, Krushchev
Princess Grace, Peyton Place, Trouble in the Suez