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It’s not a civil war, it’s the world’s first civil murder-suicide.

See you in hell, psycho-fascist Republinazi death cult.

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There's no reference in the linked KOMO story supporting your conflation that cops are blaming "black lives" liberal laws for the new restriction on high-speed pursuits -- so that's exclusively your own projection, sweet dearest Charles darling.

Ok in order.
White rednecks are stupid. Agree

Cops letting a wrong way driver go down the wrong way on the freeway because they need a social worker or something per the defund folks. Don't come crying when they have a head on crash with somebody you love.

Magnolia shooting. Yes expect lots of different private security entities filling in where the cops once took care of criminals victimizing citizens. CHOP for example. Why does nobody talk about that black teen killed by left wing paramilitaries?

Amanda Knox: As if she's the only American ever caught up in a foreign legal system.

Gotta hand it Amanda Knox, the psychopath sure knows how to keep herself in the news. She is constantly whining about how innocent she is. All I have to say to that is Patrick Lumumba.

Innocent people don't accuse other innocent people of committing the crime they supposedly didn't commit. Between this hissy fit she's having and the public announcement of her "woe is me, I had a miscarriage" she's back in the national spotlight again. If only she'd get a life and fuck off so we could all never have to hear about her again.

Meredith Kercher is the one who needs to be remembered. And her father, who is also dead now after being murdered by a hit and run driver.

Amanda Knox is a piece of shit that needs to be flushed down the toilet and forgotten forever.

@4 Here's the problem. The unvaccinated are putting the vaccinated at risk. So we're all fucked because of these assholes.

Breakthrough COVID infections show ‘the unvaccinated are now putting the vaccinated at risk’

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/breakthrough-covid-infections-show-the-unvaccinated-are-now-putting-the-vaccinated-at-risk

What do COVID breakthrough cases mean for fully vaccinated people?

https://www.cnet.com/health/what-do-covid-breakthrough-cases-mean-for-fully-vaccinated-people-well-explain/

And to add to this, vaccinated people can carry and transmit the virus because of how virulent the Delta strain is. And scientists are already sounding the alarm regarding the virus being able to outmaneuver any vaccine, thanks to the opportunity it's been given by all of the unvaccinated.

Internal CDC document says delta should be treated as whole new virus: More contagious, more deadly

Internal documents exchanged among scientists at the CDC indicate that the delta variant is both more transmissible and more virulent than previously suggested. Where most public estimates had put the rate of reproduction around 6, this document places delta as similar to chickenpox where each person infected might be expected to pass the disease to 10 or more others. And, on top of that stomach-dropping number, the document also warns that delta is more capable of causing severe illness.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/7/30/2042861/-Internal-CDC-document-says-Delta-should-be-treated-as-whole-new-virus-More-contagious-more-deadly

And China and Cuba are examples of authoritarian creep on the left.

Nowhere safe except on the dark side of the moon.

@17:

Saying they've even been trying for that length of time is probably an exaggeration. They haven't tried diddly-squat; they never had any intention of trying, precisely so they could point to some sort of BS statistic to prove their "point" that "these reforms don't work". Well, OF COURSE they won't work if they're not actually used by the agency tasked with implementing them.

@17, Naw, it's actually the legislature that says this.
http://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2021-22/Pdf/Bills/House%20Passed%20Legislature/1054-S.PL.pdf#page=1

Sec. 7. (1) A peace officer may not engage in a vehicular pursuit, unless:
(a)(i) There is probable cause to believe that a person in the vehicle has committed or is committing a violent offense or sex offense as defined in RCW 9.94A.030, or an escape under chapter 9A.76RCW; or
(ii) There is reasonable suspicion a person in the vehicle has committed or is committing a driving under the influence offense under RCW 46.61.502;

This isn't just the police saying something, the legislature has made the reasons the cops can pursue someone very clear and driving recklessly and the wrong way on a freeway doesn't qualify. Personally, I'm seeing situations where this isn't exactly an unmitigated good.

(ii) There is reasonable suspicion a person in the vehicle has committed or is committing a driving under the influence offense under RCW 46.61.502

Reasonable suspicion of driving under the influence in the form of ... driving the wrong way on the freeway, for example.

Sounds reasonable to me. Why is this so hard for people?

@8: Ha ha ha, I knew Xina was going to freak out over Amanda Knox.

Hey, Xina: AMANDA KNOX!!!

@22, If this person left a bar driving the wrong direction, this would be reasonable suspicion. If they couldn't maintain their lane, this would probably work as this is typical of drunk drivers. Simply diving away, even recklessly probably wouldn't. Someone driving away from a cop who wants to arrest them is an indication they want to get away, not that they're drunk.

@24, " I have a distinct feeling that is a petulant, incomplete and bad faith selective quote of the legislation."

Then you would be wrong. I took a complete quote of the reasons the legislation allows cops to pursue suspects. There are additional conditions that must be satisfied which I didn't include, but I did quote the entire section giving the reasons and included a link in case you want to actually read the legislations instead of telling us your feeling about it.

Why are police allowed to have unions? They're not part of the Labor Movement. Weren't they the guys who spent their time over the last 170+ years busting skulls and opening fire on union advocates? Don't they still do this? Again, I don't get it. Unless they're just cynically using the laws designed to protect workers to roll back transparency and accountability for their own actions.

Ah, wait a minute. I think I see now.

I think that maybe the police are somewhat victims of circumstance here. It's largely the political policies that drive the enforcement actions and the vigor with which they are pursued. Maybe the issue is that we need to rethink how we track police success and come up with some new metrics.

If the cops are being graded on how many arrests they make in a month for say, drug possession, that's going to motivate them to get out there and start busting people for drug possession, which means harassing people who look to the cops like they might be holding.

Seems like a vicious circle. I think we could do this better.

Think the delta variant is scary? Anti-vaccination Trumpers are truly terrifying
No doubt delta is more contagious, but the main problem is still right-wingers who refuse to pull their weight

The people being the biggest crybabies about the new restrictions are the very same people who are the cause of the new restrictions. This was amply demonstrated on Thursday when Republican members of the House of Representatives threw a tantrum (which they called a "protest") over new mask requirements.

https://www.salon.com/2021/07/30/think-the-delta-variant-is-scary-anti-vaccination-trumpers-are-truly-terrifying/

Internal CDC memo paints grim picture of threat from new COVID variant: report
An internal CDC memo shared with the press reveals just how scary the delta variant is to public health officials

https://www.salon.com/2021/07/30/internal-cdc-memo-paints-grim-picture-of-threat-from-infectious-new-covid-variant-report/

@33, Nope, you asked how the police could ascertain someone was driving drunk. I gave some examples, it would take someone who is disingenuous or not to bright to think I was trying to give some kind of exhaustive list.

There are some specific behaviors that indicate a drunk driver, driving the wrong way on the freeway to escape the cops isn't one of them and any cop who tried to use that as an excuse to pursue this guy would be placing their job at risk.

If cops engage in a high speed pursuit with someone who fails to pull over, the odds are higher that innocent bystanders will be injured or killed than if the police break off pursuit.

The idea is that the suspect will eventually be arrested at a later time, when they exit the vehicle or are otherwise not in a position to lead cops on a high speed chase. Because the suspect won't feel they're being chased and thus won't drive as recklessly.

In most cases, that idea likely holds true. Not all cases, but probably most. Yeah, in this particular case, the driver DID hit someone else. Had the cops done a high speed pursuit of them? They'd probably have hit someone else going even faster.

There's typically no need for cops to re-enact the fast and the furious just because they want to feel powerful. Those times should be reserved for when the suspect poses a high danger even if NOT being pursued. Like if they're a murder or rape suspect, or if they're drunk.

@35 - Driving the wrong way on the freeway may or may not be part of reasonable suspicion that one is driving intoxicated. It depends on the "totality of circumstances." In this case, I would say reasonable suspicion of intoxicated driving was probably met due also to the driver's "erratic driving" prior to driving the wrong way on the freeway. Of course, I wasn't there and don't know all the details of what went down.

Anyhoo, "Reasonable suspicion" is a pretty low bar to hurdle, much lower than "probable cause." Articulating reasonable suspicion in this case would probably not have been difficult. But exercising caution about the restriction wouldn't be wrong, either. It's a judgement call, one in which either course of action would have been appropriate.

As to not pursuing on the freeway, that was departmental policy with Dallas PD the whole time I was there, going all the way back to 1984...and before. It didn't matter the offense. One of my guys pursued a man wanted for 3 murders the wrong way on I-35 from one exit to the next exit up and was officially reprimanded for it. We had helicopters, but the assigned one hadn't reached the chase yet.

I lobbied against the reprimand in view of the nature of the crimes allegedly committed by the suspect (3 murders and that's what he was being chased for), but to no avail. Well, to some avail, I guess; the reprimand was our least serious one but still official and placed in his personal file.

So, it's not as if such restrictions are novel in the world of policing. The cops will adjust and learn to operate with them...or they can quit and go to truck driving school.

@42,

Unless the driver is suspected of murder or rape or some other similar crime, or the driver is suspected of not being able to control the vehicle regardless of pursuit or not, then it's not worth potentially injuring or killing a bystander just to give someone a ticket for reckless driving.

Sometimes the cops have to let the suspect go.

They've got the license plate number. They've potentially got helicopters. Potentially got traffic cameras (or other surveillance). There's other ways to find the suspect, in other words. Doing a 100 mph chase the wrong way down a freeway is a terrible idea, unless the suspect is considered extremely dangerous.

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@43: That is the argument the police should have made.

You can actually come up with a pretty good argument why adding a second car chasing the first car the wrong way down the freeway is a bad idea except under the most extreme circumstance, which the law they cited covers. Explain the reasoning, inform the public that the license plate was taken, as I'm sure it was by one of the thousands of cameras we have in Seattle, and that the person was arrested under a safer circumstance at a later date.

This would send a general message to the public that while the police care about enforcing laws, they also recognize the importance of public safety. That type of approach would actually win them much of the support they have lost.

Instead, the police recaste every police event as "well if you won't let us strangle George Floyd to death than we just can't enforce the laws any longer." Not surprisingly, the public finds that attitude extremely distasteful.

I also find it instructive that Seattle area police officers and Sheriffs, who generally have a high school diploma, routinely struggle to understand the Bill of Rights during peaceful protests and routinely cite a lack of knowledge when they break local laws, repeatedly in some cases:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/24/us/king-county-ice-privacy/index.html

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/fired-detective-who-tipped-off-suspect-now-appealing-to-get-her-job-back/

https://bridgeburners.noblogs.org/post/2021/07/05/spd-detective-receives-one-day-suspension-for-clearview-ai-usage-opa-says-not-a-violation-of-surveillance-ordinance/

Suddenly become Alan Dershowitz when it comes to explaining why they legally just can't stop an actual criminal due to some statute. Prosecutors and police departments routinely pass up prosecuting or punishing police involved even in violent crime. Do they really think these hard chargers of police accountability are going to go after them over something like driving the wrong way down the freeway with anything more than a paid vacation? Once again, there is a good public safety argument not pursue a car in this instance, but their claim they can't enforce the law because they don't want to break it, when they routinely break laws without consequence when it serves there purpose is disingenuous in the extreme.

@12 "that is not an accurate portrayal of what happened, at all. The police are literally unable to respond to or stop all sorts of criminal activity now…"

This has been the police excuse for as long as we have had police in Seattle.

About 10 years ago a friend of mine had his apartment broken into for the second time in 6 months. He called the SPD again and because he had dealt with them previously, he knew they not only wouldn't do shit, but would only offer suggestions about removing civil liberties in order to catch criminals.

At that time the SPD budget was up over 50% from 10 years prior, so the officer could not whine about how under paid he is making $200,000 a year with overtime pay with his high school diploma education, so he instead whined about how current laws make it impossible to stop property crime. He acted like there was literally a law that prohibited him from arresting someone who breaks into my friends house and steals his shit.

The cop was ready with his PR prepared solution. He said we need to revise existing laws to make it legal to post the mug shots of people accused of a crime to stop burglary. When my friend asked what that had to do with catching criminals who stole his stuff, the cop became confused. Apparently whatever PR group trained him on how to leverage a victims tragedy into less accountability for police did not bother to explain the link between his prepared wish list and actually stopping crime.

The truth is that clearance rates in Seattle for arresting criminals have always been among the worst in the country and have only gotten worse over the decades inverse to their increase in pay over that same period. We currently have a 9% clearance rate for rapists by the SPD:

"Why are arrest rates for rape in Washington state so underwhelming?"
The most recent surprising data from 2016 indicates that the percentage of rape arrests by Pierce County and SPD were only 7 percent and 8 percent, respectively."
https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/why-are-arrest-rates-for-rape-in-washington-state-so-underwhelming/

Apparently much of the 9% of rapist they do catch come from the police department itself:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/seattle-police-department-arrests-wa-state-patrol-employee-for-investigation-of-rape-of-a-child/ar-BB1dZ5SA
"Seattle Police Department arrests WA State Patrol employee for investigation of rape of a child"

The public doesn't give the police the same points of taking down a cop like the Golden State Killer we give them for stopping crime that does not originate within the police department itself. Just one of those many injustices in life I guess.

As violent crime has increased in several large cities across America over the past 18 months, It's deeply disturbing how many members of the "thin blue line" club openly take joy in the carnage to once again tell us we need to return to Dirty Harry policing for our own safety.

You can make an argument either for or against police reform, but I think much to the public has noticed that we have an entire group of people either within, or supportive of the police who show absolute glee each time a new murder or assault is reported.

It's not a good look.

Is it not Fri-yay? Some of you seem really upset. Like, put down the comments section, hop on "Our Time", and line up a date for tonight...looking at you, prof.
Have an enjoyable weekend.

@40, I don't think we're going to be able to decide if there was reasonable suspicion that the driver was drunk here.

Anyway, the cops in their statement just said they were unable to pursue the driver, they didn't give any reasons why. The wank about the new law letting criminals escape or if the cops are trying to torpedo reforms is all from us really, not them. I also don't expect the law about pursuits is going to convince any cops to turn into truck drivers.

I'm fairly certain Charles ejaculated in his pants when Amanda Knox popped up in the news. He spent years on here trying to frame her existence as some sort of 'rich white girls get off easy' while everyone and their Italian brother knows that the black Rudy Mudede ---oops sorry, Guede cut the lilly white throat, took a freakout shit in the toilet for evidence then tried to beat feet back to Africa.

But it's cool, though, because, you know, slavery and stuff.

Also, the requisite omission that the attempted rapist at the KC Courthouse yesterday was a well-known homeless criminal, but you know, they are all just saints that got effed by capitalism. And also like, slavery and stuff you guys.

@45,

Exactly.

I understand why they didn't pursue and I believe the law forbidding them from pursuing is just and overall makes things safer.

But the cops want to pout about it and make people think that now their hands are tied and everyone's in grave danger. They can fuck off with that.

@50. Why don't you worry about San Fran and let us locals handle Seattle? K, thanx,

Ex: If you were holding a community meeting in, say, Caps Hill, and somebody from SF showed up to tell everybody what they were doing wrong, what do you think would happen? Which is to say, hot nunja. Nunja bizness!

@49

It's not just from us! Local PDs put out a bunch of boo hoo/bad faith opinion articles and statements recently.

Here's one from Mill Creek: http://www.newsofmillcreek.com/content/mill-creek-police-department-makes-policy-changes-response-newly-enacted-legislation

I saw nearly identical statements from Everett, Arlington, Marysville, and Snohomish. They're openly fear mongering in their communities.

@43 - I didn't say it was a good idea, just that they probably had reasonable suspicion the driver was intoxicated and opted not to pursue him even though the law appears to allow them to do so. Nothing wrong with that. Of course, now they're cynically blaming the law for lack of pursuit, despite the law allowing for pursuit of drunk drivers. When I said it wouldn't have been wrong to pursue him, either, I meant more in terms of being legally wrong.

This is just crybaby cops whining about a new law or policy they don't like. Nothing new.

Anyway, we gave up pursuits for minor offenses pretty regularly in the interests of public safety. WSP seems to have done the same here and may well have done so even without the new law.

@56 - 'makes me feel like i'm actually making a difference in the world'

You are not. Unless we want to call the Slog comments what they really are, which is therapy. Which I don't have a problem with, except for shit-talking my hometown, and violent outbursts by Prof Hiz. Which is to say, lashing out is ok, but unless something positive comes of it, well, then it's just shit talking and violent outbursts.

@57. I assumed it was just rowdy teenagers again.

The story about MAGAt vaccine refusers dying in the ICE needs to be repeated at least as many times as Fox ran bogus stories about virus hoaxes, vaccine side effects, and masks = Holocaust.

It's nowhere near getting old yet.

@58 Wow, as a new guy you know quite of few of the posters here.

Not necessarily nefarious. I lost my email for my prior account, (Luddite) so needed to create a new account and user name to post.

Is that your story too, or are you like tensor where you run multiple accounts without openly acknowledging you do so? If so, that's actually pretty sleazy.

@58 the professor's state of mind might best be addressed if he read @44 and followed the instructions.

I'm sorry, is Casino Royal your first name or last name? Or both?

Because transparency is a two way street.

@64: Tensor!

I thought that was you. Why didn't you just post this under your dvs99 account the way you typically do?

No matter, I've made the same point that we are all anonymous, but most of of stick to one account in order to express out views, rather than a group of accounts to create the illusion we have consensus when we don't.

Looking forward to hearing from your multiple accounts in the future!

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@8: Look for Harry and Meghan (woe is me specialist) to do photoshoot with Amanda.

@66 - I find your insinuation that I am some kind of secret identity for Tensor deeply offensive.