Slog AM: January 4 Deadline for Vaccinations, No More Water Bottles on Planes, and a Sneak Peek at Upcoming Bike Projects

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This is more a what interests Matt roundup than a news roundup.

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Good to know eliminating plastic is not worth our time. Just start chucking the plastic in the garbage, kids, Matt said it doesn’t matter. Don’t try to eliminate it at all.

Might as well just stop recycling all together… I mean, if it doesn’t solve the entire problem 100% then it’s not worth doing.

Great advice, Matt!

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Yes, it's wonderful that Alaska Airlines will phase out single-use water bottles. Of course, Matt then proceeded to steal my comeback, albeit in a more provocative way, as is the imperative for a Slog AM. I would have phrased it, "You know what would reduce your carbon footprint even more? Not flying to begin with."

Of course, I'm not saying no one should ever fly. But it's hard to imagine a modern human activity that more squarely owes its existence to the burning of fossil fuels than airplane travel. And the rate at which flying burns fossil fuels is quite extraordinary.

Re the comment @1. Every time this individual posts something about COVID and vaccines, it's like it's coming from an alternate reality where all sorts of things that are false in our reality are true there.

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1 there is over a century of legal precedent for vaccine mandates but yes this safe and effective inoculation against a highly contagious and fatal virus is the case that's going to take down Big Vaccine, i can feel it too

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6 - But look at how many unjabbed people haven't died or only had mild symptoms.

Regarding @2, it's just as well I must say even though I won't go see Dune, use VR, or ride a bike.

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Damn, an anti-bike Mayor again. If only anyone had considered the entire spectrum of issues in this election before making endorsements a one-issue homeless thing? Cest la vie.

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5 this? srsly THIS??

https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavirus/2021/10/family-of-woman-who-died-after-taking-covid-19-thanks-community-for-compassion-and-love.html

1 person who died from a rare side effect vs 5 million dead and counting from the virus, gee how can anyone say which is worse here they're basically the same numbers

Not to mention the fda emergency-authorized several "promising treatments" for covid long before the vaccine hit the market and they were produced and vetted by the same system that gave us the vaccines but wev, it's self-evident the antivax position today is based on raw emotion and a cult of personality around a former gameshow host that makes jonestown look like a church picnic

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I don't think "build buildings as fast as possible" is the smart play you think it is. Because if it happens you and Mudede will inevitably be bitching about worker and resident safety being disregarded.

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9 &10 - How does seizing on ambiguities in science and medicine strengthen your arguments?

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@9. I think that the Supreme Court will disappoint you on this issue. I doubt that they'll even bother to hear the arguments. They'll ignore it in the same way that they ignored the Stop the Steal silliness.

In order to be successful, you would need to establish (among other things) that the vaccine does not reduce the community spread of Covid. There is a substantial amount of evidence in the direction of the hypothesis that the vaccine does in fact do that. Granted, the evidence isn't conclusive. But the burden of proof will be on the injured party that challenges the established precedent.

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Covid is not currently endemic but will likely be eventually, which is all the more reason for people to get on board with the vaccine, not less, because you're going to need to keep getting them.

If things continue to progress on the same trajectory, with political affiliation being the strongest predictor of vaccine hesitancy -- and I see no reason to believe this will change, as long as being antivax pays such high short-term dividends for politicians and media outlets -- we will continue to see more sickness, death and economic loss in "red" communities, as more and more people succumb to the virus and its long-term health effects, and the vast majority of americans who choose to vaccinate avoid the plague states.

But if one thing is true about conservatives, they know how to stick to a message. They've made this bed and will continue to lie in it because it gets ratings and wins votes and their followers would rather die or do lasting damage to vital organs than admit the libs were right. It's dark but still fascinating to watch.

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14, the evidence is conclusive, the only missing piece of information is the threshold for herd immunity because we haven't crossed it yet, which some people seize on as proof that the vaccines don't work, but if you look at covid rates in places with mandates and proof-of-vax requirements it's abundantly clear that the vaccines are effective at mitigating community spread

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/california-epicenter-us-pandemic-lowest-statewide-transmission-rate/story?id=80661265

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@17.. I'm curious who you're pointing that "you" and "your" at.
Clarity is your friend.

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I don't get the objection to DST, particularly in Seattle. We have DST because it puts the daylight when we can use it best. December has just over 8 hours of daylight per day. June has around 16.

Non-DST means the sun comes up BEFORE 8 am in December. Kids go to school before 8, and construction crews (and farmers I guess) start work at 7 am, when there's at least twilight.

During DST, the sun still comes up before 6 am in June. I'd rather it went down after 9 pm than coming up at fucking 5 am. No one needs daylight before 6 am.

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18 And you just answered your own question.

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"because to them adhering to regulations is more burdensome than replacing the employees they killed."

what they said:

Requiring vaccines or regular testing “could significantly diminish the labor pool, particularly in some geographic areas and amongst some demographics in which vaccine hesitancy is widespread,” the National Retail Federation wrote to OSHA last month. “NRF members, like employers across the economy, are already struggling to find workers.”

sounds like a corporate lobbying group is more worried about the impact of safety regulations on their ability to retain staff than the potential to burn through workers the old-fashioned way, not sure why it's bad to say this in only marginally less flattering terms, but once again i'm detecting a pattern in what makes certain kinds of people very cranky

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@12 - In addition, there's no return on investment for developers to build low-income housing. So why should they? Who wants to lose money?

I suggest a stylish Cabrini-Green complex on Harbor Island paid for using funds recovered from SCC extortions from the SPD budget.

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@20... You ever heard of rhetorical questions? I can guess their answer. Your's also.

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--not only do have we been doing sentinel surveillance for covid since 2020, but we also have a bunch of people who have volunteered for routine covid surveillance rather than opt for the vaccine, because the "vaccine mandate" is actually a personal choice that people are being given

--we live in a large and diverse "laboratory of democracy" with regional variation in surveillance, and we can tell based on the test positivity rate whether a given region's numbers are representative

--it's abundantly clear that the vaccines reduce R0 below 1 when enough people in a given region receive it, though reducing the R0 "below 1" is an admittedly low bar to clear

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@12: cutting corners on worker safety is not required to build as fast as possible. money, manpower (on all sides of the job including city reviews), and organization are.

@23: that's why there are "non-profit" developers.

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The quoted sentence is a fair if terse summary of what the corporate retail lobby group said in the article

If you want to pretend a trade group for a trillion dollar industry doesn’t care more about the bottom line than human life then have at it but don’t waste your rage muscles getting mad at people for not being so charitable, it’s an industry lobby group & this is what they do

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31, There is a connection between not being vaccinated and getting covid then dying and this is especially worrisome risk for people whose work puts them in frequent contact with the public, like say for example, retail. This is the salient concern here, and you have to try to miss it this hard.

The criticism is not that "going to work kills people", it is that a trade group is more concerned with losing workers from vaccine mandates than losing workers from dying of a preventable disease. Again, here they are in their own words:

Requiring vaccines or regular testing “could significantly diminish the labor pool, particularly in some geographic areas and amongst some demographics in which vaccine hesitancy is widespread,” the National Retail Federation wrote to OSHA last month. “NRF members, like employers across the economy, are already struggling to find workers.”

This is a fair statement for them to make, assuming their analysis is correct -- and I'm guessing it is since crunching these kinds of numbers is the only reason lobbying groups exist -- but you're the one who is willfully deluding yourself, not only about the criticism itself but the fundamental nature of the lobbying industry.

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@26 you prove my point.
Covid does melt organs( so to speak), and you're siding with people who think masks (etc.) are the Holocaust.

Yep. Your brain is melted.

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@31 "logic drives me nuts"

Welp, there it is.

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If you're concerned about the carbon and other emission gasses released by air travel you could take the high-speed train to ... oh, wait, third world US ... um, you could buy carbon offsets that are 99% fiction in China ... oh ok, look, just take the money they recommended for carbon offsets and buy literal solar panels and wind turbines through your local utility. That one actually works. And it reduces your electric bill, follows you around when you move (mobile solar panels!), and is a very good thing to do.

There. Now you can drink from your bloe-green algae water ball like the 2016 Olympics did!

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@21 -- You are full of shit. You refuse to look at the studies. You make up bullshit assumptions about them, jumping to your own stupid conclusions. When people call you on the studies, you are suddenly silent, and never respond. Then, on another thread, you are at it again.

Here are some examples: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/vaccinated-people-are-less-likely-spread-covid-new-research-finds-n1280583. Or how about this from the CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html):

... data show fully vaccinated persons are less likely than unvaccinated persons to acquire SARS-CoV-2 ... In addition, as shown below, a growing body of evidence suggests that COVID-19 vaccines also reduce asymptomatic infection and transmission.

Got it? Unless you are a scientist, and want to refute the studies, you should probably just shut the fuck up. Your assumptions about the studies are juvenile, as are your conclusions.

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gosh
Fake news
and fax2 disappear
like an Ill Wind almost

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Although one could say that's it's educational in a way how blip, Ross, and others corrected the COVID-19 misstatements of the recently booted, it was getting tiresome.

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Anyone gonna take on @38?
Hanging curveball right there...

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No curve intended. The rehashing was aggravating.

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Hey, someone finally exterminated the plague rat! Fantastic! Between the constant posts from that idiot and the "Dr Nelson Salim" spam, I was beginning to think there was no moderation in the comments anymore. Thank you, Stranger mods!

@30: "Brings to mind that joke about America spending $10 Mil on a pen that writes in zero gravity & the Russians just buying $0.04 pencils."

It's only a joke to those that have zero knowledge of history of the space race. Those 4c pencils the Russians used put microparticles of graphite into the air, which are bad for a) the breathing of astronauts/cosmonauts, and more importantly b) the sensitive instruments and wiring in the oxygen-rich environment, where they could lead to electrical fires in the single worst scenario for fires.