Slog AM: WA Redistricting Commission Allegedly Approves New Political Maps, More Traffic Cameras Are Coming, Beto's Back

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Texas Governor Abbott is vulnerable but not to the likes of Beto O'Rourke who can no longer be elected dog catcher in Texas.

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«Bruce Harrell thinks he's going to fix graffiti» And that is a dumb thing to say. Obviously dog shit on a stick.
I am curious how Harell plans to deliver on his promise to remove squatters from the Seattle public parks like he talked so much about.

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@1
Yeah, Beto caught on tape cursing gun ownership after the El Paso mass shooting is not going to play well in the Lone Star state.
How many millions the GOP will sink into those negative spots is anyone's guess.

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I didn't vote for Harrell, but the quote you pulled does kind of suggest he's investigating the root causes of graffiti.

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"I’m going to first investigate the culture..." classic seattle politician, there's no problem that hiring more consultants can't solve.

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WRT "More traffic cameras are coming" If you got a camera ticket, see this website https://bancams.com/how-to-fight-tickets/

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The most effective way to get even more graffiti in your city is your mayor loudly announcing that he’s going to fix graffiti. These aren’t exactly the kind of people who blindly submit to authority.

What a weird and stupid thing to say. The election is over, and so is the time to make impossible promises he couldn’t keep if he wanted to. He’s just teeing himself up for failure.

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Not only is the Afghan refugee problem one that has been ongoing for a decade (thanks for waking up, America), but it's all show.

Mayor Harrell continues to fail. I've noticed an increase in graffiti since November 2, due to his poor leadership.

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@9 The handwriting is on the wall.

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@8: Be that as it may, it's still an issue and risking more tagging should not preclude aggressive action against it. Driving though downtown Seattle on I5 should not be like the opening to the movie Shaft.

@4: The vaccine DOES inhibit transmission. An infected unvaccinated person logically has more opportunities for the virus to replicate and thereby shed it through airborne transmission.

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@4, the article you cite is specifically about transmission within households with prolonged exposure. It has nothing to say about more casual, larger gatherings. You are still far less likely overall to get infected if you’re vaccinated, and since uninfected people don’t pass the virus, vaccination reduces spread as well.

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oops, it wasn't Shaft.

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@9: I think we should wait for when Bruce Harrell actually takes the oath of office before evaluating tagging as a barometer of the mayor's leadership.

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@15: I didn't say that being vaccinated prevents transmission. I said that being unvaccinated and getting infected causes increased transmission. Vaccinated people can still transmit the virus, but at a less risk. From the CDC: (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/delta-variant.html):

"The greatest risk of transmission is among unvaccinated people who are much more likely to get infected, and therefore transmit the virus. Fully vaccinated people get COVID-19 (known as breakthrough infections) less often than unvaccinated people. People infected with the Delta variant, including fully vaccinated people with symptomatic breakthrough infections, can transmit the virus to others. CDC is continuing to assess data on whether fully vaccinated people with asymptomatic breakthrough infections can transmit the virus."

Why the quest to hang your hat on things not being absolute to make a point? I can't think of science more complex with possibilities, variations, and unknowns than virology. It makes sense to use of all the imperfect tools available.

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@15 This is a anti-vaccine conspiracy taking point using very cherry picked quoting and distorted understanding of a study because further on the study says distinctly:

"Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Host–virus interactions early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory."

See that again: "Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance."

Which means breakthrough infections spread might the disease, but at a much lower rate than unvaccinated persons. Vaccinated breakthrough cases are infectious for much shorter period of time.

So being vaccinated is very much about protecting other people.

The simple fact is breakthrough infections are much less likely than unvaccinated infections. What we are seeing no is the old familiar base rate error fallacy. A fallacy exploited and parroted in bad faith by the anti vaccine movement.

Vaccination rates are high — the majority of adults in the US are are now vaccinated — therefor what infections you do see will be of course breakthrough. However the rate of infection is much higher with the unvaccinated and are therefor far more likely to spread this disease.

The only issue is vaccination prophylactic effect will require boosters.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y

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Being vaccinated greatly reduces the chance that you will get infected, thus greatly reducing the chance that you will spread the virus, because you can’t spread a virus you don’t have. This is not only basic logic, but this is supported by citations that were provided to the very person demanding citations today, at his request, but he conveniently ignores or misrepresents information that doesn’t jive with his predetermined beliefs, because he is neither interested in nor capable of FoLLoWiNg tHe SciEnCe.

This is all really basic stuff, & it’s implicit in the scientific paper being inexplicably cited as saying the exact opposite. This is such an incredibly stupid “debate” and it’s unfortunate that the stranger continues to allow its blog to be a vector for purposeful disinformation about a deadly disease.

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That was a nice restart.

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@21: Well said blip

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@17, do you really need me to send you a study showing that the vaccine greatly reduces the likelihood of infection? I mean…this is well-established. Here’s the CDC.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/effectiveness/why-measure-effectiveness/breakthrough-cases.html#:~:text=COVID%2D19%20vaccines%20are,get%20COVID%2D19.

What is your deal? Thinking @21 has it right.

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@1 "Hell yes, he's going to take our AR-15s? Hell no, Beto."

There's the ad copy. I'll be sending the $35K consulting invoice momentarily.

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District 2 wouldn’t support Harrell in this last election because they had experience with his do nothing tract record. His sell out practices.

He can’t reach the culture because people don”t trust him.

Artists and taggers are here for a reason.

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@29 it puts the ball gag back in its mouth and goes back in the basement.

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@29: It's not like viruses are going through the air knowing who's vaccinated and who's not. They go where they can and propagate where they can. Given that a vaccinated person provides fewer cells vulnerable the virus the person is less infectious if not infectious at all.

The point you're trying to make is accounted for in the CDC links provided in @18 and @24.

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@28. You're citing BoJo now?
Thanks for the LOL.

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@27, the very first sentence in that link says “COVID-19 vaccines are effective at preventing infection, serious illness, and death.”

How you have managed to convince yourself that “effective at preventing infection” means “it doesn't stop you from catching it or spreading it” (nobody is saying it STOPS you from catching it or spreading it, but it is LESS likely you will catch it, which obviously means you are LESS likely to spread it)?

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Aw, Richie is concerned about the “root cause” of graffiti.

Yeah, root cause. Here’s the root cause: idiots that don’t give a shit about anything or anybody but themselves.

I’m waiting for the typical Stranger argument that some dude spray painting their “tag” on a garbage can or a bus is actually “art”. It’s not.

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@29: Protecting the public is a superset of self-protection.

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29: So do you not wear your seat belt because it can’t absolutely prevent you from dying in an accident? Or do you recognize the probability of greatly reducing your chance of serious injury or death?

How about the fact that most folks hospitalized are unvaccinated? Isn’t protecting the medical system’s capacity reason alone to promote and mandate vaccinations? I’m really trying to understand why you keep harping on this point throughout your various accounts.

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@36 only if you work for Harrell's misadministration. But then you have to blame the lack of a seatbelt on a prior Mayor who was halfway around the world at the time.

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I like the fact that whacking on vaccine-denial moles is a bipartisan activity on SLOG. But this particular mole seems impervious to facts or reason.

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Go, Beto O'Rourke, GO! Kick Greg Abbott's neofascist white male RepubliKKKan ass!

@1 & @25; The two of you are further reason for me to keep voting Democrat and encourage as many Texas voters as possible to elect Beto for Governor, no matter how unpopular he is with the Texiban in the Lone Star State of Dumbfuckistan confusion. Greg Abbott is a disgrace.

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Fuck Texas.

They deserve what they've got. And then some.

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@40 Tell that to women and girls living in Texas.

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@6, yup, the exact same way they plan on solving crime, homelessness and every other society ill.

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This site continues to tolerate antivax talking points and disinformation largely because the users here do not report accounts that continue to spread it.

The user above Distric3Refugee is spreading deliberate disinformation. And it should be reported as such.

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The root cause of graffiti is assholes who insist on vandalizing other peoples’ property. Period. It’s not the economy, or racism, or any other kind of injustice. Not really something that needs a commission to get to the bottom of.

And I think maybe it was “welcome Back, Kotter” instead of Shaft that @14 is thinking of.

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@45 Asinine_troll_goof: You sound exponentially more batshit insane than I ever will be. You must live in Texas and vote RepubliKKKan. Fuck your idiotic cries for me or anyone else with half a brain to "go back to skating Beta". Here's a better idea: Go soak your head before your AR-15 goes off and---OOOOPS! ---"accidentally" kills your mother in a Wal*Mart.
The heat, stink, and humidity must be frying your brain cells down in Dumbfuckistan.

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@45 She is.

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"Our Space Force general dude is pissed:"

Perhaps pissed because our 'Space Force' is a Trump joke & if the Space Force were worth anything it would have shot down the Russian rocket before it caused so much damage?

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@51 you continue to utterly misrepresent what the Oxford study in the Lancet said.

You have repeated selectively and in bad faith misquoted and ignored the other major finding that was there in black and white that explicitly stated vaccines reduced chance of infection and transmission. This has been pointed out to you by several users here. As well as other science publications explicitly stating so.

Vaccines reduce transmission. That was THE major finding of the study. This exact weaponizing cherry picking tactic with this same study has been noted all over social media by science educators.

Yes. You are an anti vaccination troll and should be reported as such. You account has been reported and I strongly urge other users to do the same.

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From the CDC itself:

“ The risk for SARS-CoV-2 infection in fully vaccinated people cannot be completely eliminated as long as there is continued community transmission of the virus. Early data suggest infections in fully vaccinated persons are more commonly observed with the Delta variant than with other SARS-CoV-2 variants.

However, data show fully vaccinated persons are —less likely than unvaccinated persons — to acquire SARS-CoV-2, and infections with the Delta variant in fully vaccinated persons are associated with less severe clinical outcomes.

Infections with the Delta variant in vaccinated persons potentially have reduced transmissibility than infections in unvaccinated persons, although additional studies are needed.”

LESS LIKELY THAN UNVACCINATED PERSONS.

VACCINATED PERSONS POTENTIALLY HAVE REDUCED TRANSMISSIBILITY THAN UNVACCINATED PERSONS.

There it is. That is a stark refutation of your bogus claims.

Not only are the vaccinated less likely to acquire infection thus not spreading the disease but if they do experience breakthrough infection are infectious for shorter periods thus less prone to spread the disease.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html

That was also the finding in the Oxford study. But you knew that. And are clearly here to disseminate disinformation.

Shame on you. I will not interact with you further on this matter as it is clearly fruitless and you are incapable or unwilling to self correct.

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@49 You're the one needing sedatives, yourself, Asinine trollgoof. Are you even bothering to read my comments? Your own vituperative ignorant-as-fuck, toxic white supremacist male spittle suggests middle school bullying. I dare you to look all that up, especially the word vituperative. You can't. You won't. Functional illiteracy isn't something to be proud of, even in a blood red state as messed up as Texas. Keep your guns to yourself before you off your mother at a Wal*Mart.
Don't come crying to me next winter, either when your state's power grid freezes up due to extreme weather. Evidently it's the only way to turn you and your sorry little 'shroom, along with the rest of your fucked up Lone Star state of Dumbfuckistan blue.

@50 Look in your bathroom mirror, Herr Boob.
You must be a hoot at parties.