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1

Genuinely curious - what should be the result of a minor murdering someone?

2

While I do agree that we imprison too many kids for relatively frivolous bullshit, I'm totally okay with tossing a 13 year old in the pokey for shooting someone.

3

I'm not sure if the consequence for shooting someone at age 13 is as important to determine as is the myriad of supports (beginning with adequate prenatal care and continuing through young adulthood) that could prevent this type of outcome for a teen.

4

Shot an unarmed stranger in the back of the head for funz.

Shot a working class Somali Immigrant in the back of the head just for kicks.

Chaz I know the trust fund your daddy set up for you has immunized you from some of the struggles immigrants have to face, (and really the reality that most of us who can't just jaunt up to Vancouver on a whim for lunch face) but shit man, are you really defending a kid who shoots strangers in the back of the head just for the funny?

You can't think of a reason society might want to keep this kid away from the rest of us?

5

@3 Plenty of people come from absolutely horrific upbringings and do not grow up to shoot people for thrills.

You've basically just insulted every kid who grew up in poverty, or with bad parents, who turned out to not be a ruthless murderer.

6

@3, Your can't redo the past. That kid's future is what we must deal with now. The situations, peers and culture have that molded him is right in front of you in real time. No one has figured out how to stop it yet.

7

Oh and Charles, it is Paine Field.

I know you don't have copy editors (What is Chase's job title again? Rich's?), but couldn't you all at least let one of your co-writers take a scan through it for the obvious errors?

8

@4, the universal has it moments. Meaning the universal is differentiated. It's particularities are individuals. And so the content which is differentiated, and thereby objectified as individuals mediating the universal as concept, has no meaningful value to me. But to you obviously.

9

@6 - I'll bet you money that kid's parents were teenagers when he was born, and if you want to double down they probably dropped out of high school. Making it harder to have a kid than to adopt a puppy might help with some of these problems. If the bad seed's parents had at least been able to deal with a kid, things might have turned out differently.

10

OK, you all know the tune by now:

It's not his fault that he can't behave.
Society made him go astray
Perhaps if we're nice he'll go away . . .

11

7: Can you please rewrite that as a haiku Charles? I might get its meaning.

12

The Unvaccinated
Are the Ones Fuck-
ing Up Our Hospitals

'MY Body
MY CHOICE!'

wait'll Idaho
starts sending
its Womenfolk
to Warshington
'cause in Idaho

you fuck around
you're gonna be
Birthin' that baby

no matter what.

Patriarchy =
Godliness

ya don't even
gotta Believe

13

want the Murder Rate to go Down?

FUND prenatal
Preschool Daycare
and Family Planning &
support Women's Agency
PRIVACY & Security in One's Self

Women hold up one-Half the Sky

lads.

14

@8 Damn Charles that’s some pretty good weed you’re smoking.

15

@9,
Problem is evolution made it very easy to have kids. And they don't even come with instructions. There are loads of science fiction books dealing with this very subject in their Orwellian dystopias. No thanks. We are stuck with what we got and must deal with the now.

@8,
Charles, I could of sworn you knew, nothing matters. Even Marx.

16

Meanwhile the Progressive Democrats final solution.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10439965/Photos-new-linkage-SF-facility-populated-drug-users-shooting-broad-daylight.html

17

Progressive Democrats
final solution? See:
@ 13 jakkkay

18

Sorry, but this is my meaning: The universal has its moments. Meaning, the universal is differentiated. Its particularities are individuals. And so the concept, the universal, or that which forms the content of the particular, and identifies the individual with the universal, is differentiated. This particular, objectified as individuals mediating the universal as concept, has no meaningful value to me. But to you obviously.

19

Maybe the kids can come live with you, Charles.

20

"The universal"

Damn you really are high.

21

“ Fuck this very bad business of locking up boys and girls.” jeez grandpa, could you sound any older with your binary categorizations? Fuck this business of locking up CHILDREN. Also for the tough on crime dimwits in the comments - perhaps the solution to children shooting people isn’t locking up kids, but making sure that 13-year-olds don’t have access to guns!?! This country is so fucking stupid.

22

@13
I'm all in favor of universal prenatal care (hell universal health care from prenatal to hospice, and it covers teeth and eyes too!).
universal day care
paid family leave
the child tax credit that Joe Manchin hates
all the things.

But those wonderful things are completely irrelevant in this instance.

This human being has already randomly executed another human being just for thrills. No motive, just I want to.

So we have this individual we need to deal with.

Can he sleep on your couch?

All the universal health care, paid family leave, income equality won't change the fact that some Human Beings are just fucking wrong.

The leader of Germany from 1939 to 1945 was a Human Being raised in a middle class environment without want or care. He turned out to be one of the worst human beings in the 200,000 year history of Human beings.

The president of the United States of America from 2017 to 2021 was raised in a high-income family with all his cares or desire met. He turned out to be a despicable person.

James Holmes grew up in a highly educated upper middle class family, turns out he shot twelve people in a movie theatre.

Some Human Beings are just damn broken, and no change in their upbringing, economic status, or presence of loving parents will change that.

Yes, let's do all the things.
Universal day care
Paid family leave
Child tax credit
All the things.

It wont change the fact that some of us just ain't right.

23

Railing against the other in any culture war is not effective. Less zingers, more pragmatism please.

24

18: I'll try again, by asking a question:

Who are the objectified as individuals who do meaningful value to you?

25

Oingo Boingo songs. No Spill Blood. Blood is what makes a woman. Blood is what makes wars. Blood is what happens when you don't know the difference between a shooting in school vs a shooting outside of school. Who wants to sit in the cafeteria with guys who just shot people in the library? Who wants to sit next to a kid who shot anybody just because they could?

26

@22:
'some
of us just
ain't right.'

well
you got
that right.

27

@20 & 24

Read Hegel

28

27 - It would have been courteous of Charles to note that.

29

https://youtu.be/tzW2ybYFboQ

31

That's like a white-collar resort prison. ain't no federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison. I mean, look how easily they were able to escape.

and, why? why are you rooting for them to escape further? what do you think is in-store for a bunch of teen runaways with a record? surely, there are no bad people out there just waiting to jump at the opportunity to exploit kids like this, or kidnap them, or worse.

I'm sure that's exactly what these kids' moms want, too. their kids on the lam with no supervision or resources, so long as they ain't in jail. right?

you should fuck right off with that opinion, Charles.

33

The universal is this: sociopaths are sociopaths irregardless of age.

Which doesn't make me want to lock up children...just homicidal sociopathic individuals.

35

I think it is best to deal with violent children in the way that you would deal with the violently mentally ill. From a justice standpoint, the first step is to determine whether they were fully aware of their actions. I'm no shrink, but a 12 year old who kills someone for fun strikes me as a combination of severely mentally immature and ill. Given that, treating them the same way you would a 30 year old hit-man is absurd. Prison as a form of deterrence simply won't work. At the same time, it is equally absurd to assume that they are better off roaming the streets. They need to receive the proper treatment to become functioning members of society. If that means being detained indefinitely, so be it. This doesn't necessarily mean long term isolation -- there is little evidence this is effective (quite the opposite). Locating your facility in the boonies is stupid, as it makes contact with other professionals as well family members more difficult.

The problem is not unique to the United States, it is just that like so many things, we tend to be behind the more civilized countries. The good news is that some cities are trying to learn from them (https://mdsoar.org/handle/11603/17374). Even then, it is clear that other countries could improve (https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/dealing-child-offenders-finland-scandinavian-child-welfare-system). We lag other parts of the world in our response to violent juvenile crime, and we have more of it because of our poor safety net and poor criminal/justice system.

36

Children are not yet mentally and emotionally mature enough to be sociopaths, if that term is to have any meaning at all. Not to say they can't be potential sociopaths, because all sociopaths were children at some point, but most of them are just kids who don't fully understand right from wrong, because that's how kids work. The kinds of personality disorders we consider irredeemable are actually very rare.

If our approach to child criminals is to label them all "sociopaths" and throw them to the wolves in our criminal justice system, we will be minting career criminals from a bunch of kids who can be molded into productive citizens with the right intervention. We have to give kids time and space to mature before we decide what to do with them as adults, even murderers.

37

https://youtu.be/zuDkv4JYxOE

38

https://youtu.be/giFlTmJnKWs

39

Charles never seems sincere in his writings. It’s like he’s only doing it for effect.

40

@36

so Well said.


Please wait...

and remember to be decent to everyone
all of the time.

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